Seth wrote:
Jobs are better created in the private sector, which is enabled through lower business taxes.
Seth... It's not like I haven't heard this before. The only new information you're giving me is that you are one of the people who believe it.
I understand the theory... less taxes leaves more money to shift into payroll. So, while I agree that lower business tax
can give a business a better opportunity to create jobs, there seems to be very little evidence that it actually happens. The problem is that there is so many other things a business can do with that money, especially if they don't really NEED to create new jobs.
Try to remember that private sector businesses don't create jobs just because they have the money to do it. There has to be a need and we are currently entering a new era of automation which is decreasing that need at an alarming rate.
I'll give you an example from personal experience...
In 2015-2016 I was involved with the development of a system for AT&T that automates 80% of the work typically done by linemen in the field. I feel kind of bad because that system led to significant job loss but at the same time, it gave me a close up look at a huge national problem that I see Obama, Clinton and Biden discussing while Trump ignores it completely.
Trump keeps talking about bringing jobs back from offshore as if we are still living in the 80's, but the fact of the matter is, those jobs only account for a small fraction of the jobs lost in recent years, 60% of which were lost to automation.
Think about it... If I'm running a business and I have 20 employees but there's an automated system on sale that can do the job of 12 of them at 10% of the cost. What do you think I'm going to do with the money I get from a tax cut?
We also have two years of data to study since the 2017 tax cut and the studies are finding that those tax cuts did NOT create anywhere near the number of jobs that was promised. Of course, I'm not surprised.
2020 Seth... we live in 2020, not 1950.
Seth wrote:
The Democrats' penchant for useless bureaucracies that create more of the same is a tax parasite -- like a cancer, each bureaucracy gives birth to another, and it's not the kind of job creation that benefits the taxpayer, because even though the public sector employee is paying taxes, they are a fraction of what he or she costs the taxpayer.
Which useless bureaucracy are you talking about? The social security trust fund that most of the old conservatives on this site depend on? Medicare, which most of the old conservatives on this site also depend on? The Postal Service? The Armed Forces? The USDA that inspects our food supply so we don't get Salmonella every time we buy food? Tell me Seth, what are these useless bureaucracies that you know SO much about? Can you name one?
Seth wrote:
Ontop of that but only slightly relevant, public sector employees tend to be much better compensated in terms of both pay and benefits than private sector workers who do the same thing, only they are not expected to produce on the same scale.
That's an easy one to explain... Employees tend to be better compensated in the public sector because the interests of the worker isn't competing with the interest of the stockholder.
As for your second statement, I don't think ANYONE can prove that one way or another. But I think there is a fundamental difference between expectations driven by a need to provide a service and expectations driven by the need for a service to be profitable (which usually t***slates to "more work for less money").
What I don't understand is why you think paying workers a decent wage is so horrible. Who's side are you on Seth?
Seth wrote:
The government's role is to provide a business friendly environment and let the private sector create jobs.
Get real Seth... the government's role is wh**ever the democracy want's it to be. Even the Constitution itself is subject to the manipulations of our democracy... That's what amendments are for. That makes your statement nothing more than a personal opinion.
Seth wrote:
Not provide high dollar welfare for the non-productive or unemployable.
I would hardly call a welfare check "high-dollar". And I hardly think the terms, "non-productive" or "unemployable" applies to the hundreds of thousands of children that benefit from welfare. But let me ask you something...
What do YOU think we should do with a family that loses its breadwinner to cancer or a car accident? Let's say the mother goes to work but doesn't have the sk**ls the father had and therefore can't support the surviving family in the same way? Do we just ignore them? Is that the American way Seth? Fck anyone that isn't me?
Seth wrote:
As for the rest, it's tough to reason with anyone who believes he can justify things that are unjustifiable.
It might help if you knew how to reason in the first place.
Seth wrote:
Why do you think people are fleeing high tax Democrat states?
This question keeps coming up, it must be a popular parrot point. The short answer is cost of living. It has nothing to with taxes. Blue states attract people with higher levels of education looking for better paying jobs and that results in more purchasing power per capita which drives up the cost of living. The people who are leaving aren't running away from excessive tax, they are the low-income people getting displaced by high-income people. It's called gentrification. Look it up.
Seth wrote:
Why do you think companies downsize when taxes increase?
I don't think tax increases make all that much difference to the size of a company. I think there are a lot of other reasons why a company downsizes, with automation being one of the biggest. Outsourcing is another one, which itself has more to do with actual wages than taxes. Just because a tax hike happens while a company restructures itself to minimize payroll doesn't mean the tax hike is the reason for the downsize.
Seth wrote:
The problem with you folks over there on the left is that you are completely clueless about cause and effect,
Well, now that you've seen my responses that point out all the causes and effects you missed, it seems your statement doesn't hold water. It seems all you know is the same antiquated parrot points that I've been hearing for years which leaves me wondering if you even bother to look at causes and effects.
Seth wrote:
just as it doesn't occur to you unemployment going up has nothing to do with a recently raised minimum wage, or crime increases have nothing to do with a recent cutback in police budgets... Both by Democrats.
I don't see Democrats making any such assumptions. Strawman much?
Seth wrote:
You will blame society, r****m, the president (unless he's a Democrat) or anyone else but the Democrats who raised the minimum wage or defunded police.
Well, it's clear that you think s***e wages are better and you have already shown that you have no clue what defunding the police even means.
Seth wrote:
People losing their affordable insurance. No, it couldn't be because of Obamacare! It's obviously those Republicans...
Well, that's pretty obvious in more ways than one. Let's start by looking at the most affordable health insurance policy in history... Obama's public option, designed for any American that can't afford private sector insurance. Boy, did that make the insurance industry angry. Why? Because how is the insurance industry going to rip people off if they can just opt for the public option? The insurance industry paid billions for the Republicans to cancel it and of course they did with the support of all their useful i***ts.
The market side of the ACA which still survives uses exchanges governed by a rule that basically says, "only charge what they can afford". This has been a resounding success in states like California and New York where strong politicians stand up to corporate monopolies and the exchanges remain competitive. But in the red states where politicians are weak and allow corporations to do what they want, there are only a few companies in control of state monopolies so the exchanges don't work so well for them.
Seth wrote:
From previously interacting with you, I find that while you pretend to be open minded, that's a very thin facade --
Think what you want Seth. I'm more interested in the topic at hand than I am in character assaults.
Seth wrote:
you remind me of another poster who was here about a year ago who had the same style as you, same long pseudo-reasonable posts, same breakdowns of others' posts... He called himself "John Correspondent" or something similar. I wonder if you are a pseudonym of his...
LOL - I really don't have any interest or need to add a pseudonym to my already anonymous profile. It's very possible someone else with the intellect to break down a post and analyze it could also join the discussions. There's plenty of smart people out there.
Just not in the red states...
LOL - 'kidding...
...sort of.