Don't get pissed off at me because I know what I'm talking about. I never think I'm the smartest one in the room, I'm just posting what I know or think I know like every other schmuck here. If I'm wrong then prove it. I'm not saying this is a golden goose, but it certainly is not a so called disaster as Trump and republicans keep saying, that's total BS. The Insurance companies don't like having to pay claims, they have had record profits for years.

Yes they're are problems, so lets fix them and not throw the baby out with the bath water. A fact is many more people have insurance now that never had any before, that BTW saves us all money.

20,000,000 people got insurance, most had pre-existing conditions, and 30,000,000 lost the insurance "that they chose" to buy. How do you think that that saves "us" money.

Obamacare threw out the baby and kept the bath water. It "was" a disaster for me and my family. It was an unmitigated failure for millions of Americans. It cost me, as a sole provider for me, and my family about $20,000 a year in penalties and out of pocket costs. My work place insurance cost me, and my family of 4, around $400 a month with a $1,500 total deductible. With Obamacare my premium would have been $800 a month, with a $10,000 deductible per person. I couldn't afford that, and saw NO benefit in it, so the government taxed me for having the gaul to pay cash for services rendered by my own doctors.

Don't get me wrong, I love the pre-existing condition clause, my wife has a pre-existing condition. I don't "expect" other people to help me pay for that though.

Why is it that the progressive left thinks that they know what's better for me, and my family, than I do?

Show me the facts, you saying something is a fact doesn't make it so.

Insurance always goes up exponentially not because of the ACA, it's if they have to pay more out , which I'm sure they did.

It's not about the ACA, it is about why do we pay so much more compared to our neighboring countries. Solve that and we'll solve this entire expense issue. Why do Americans pay so much more for the same thing?

People who lost insurance did so due to them being bad policies and not meeting the standard, wasn't it about time there was one?

If you slept in a building that say didn't have standard fire or building codes, everything is fine, until there's a fire, then it can cost you your life. Insurance works similar, you don't need it until its needed.

In 08’ I was paying $7200 for healthcare for both me and my wife with a $2500 deductible that included both. Of course I was happy with it and Obama said I could keep it but then they could no longer compete just like he wanted and I lost it. I signed up for BC/BS, which was about $400 more per month which continued to increase until 2016 it was over $21,300/ yr. with a $5500 deductible for me and $5500 for my wife. We were both approaching our 60’s with NO health issues. I finally said screw it, this is more than my mortgage. I am now on Medicare and she was lucky enough to get it thru a new employer. People say Trump lies, but he has NEVER said or done anything that was so devastating to me and millions of others as Obama. Our healthcare system is so phucked up now and will never return to what it was. It would have been far better to raise taxes a small amount and move those 14 million to Medicaid where 12 million ended up anyway. It was never 20 million. He was a lying black c_ck sucker with a senile side kick now running for President.

Actually..... IF you have health insurance at all and your health insurance offers plans with coverage for those things, technically you ARE paying for those things anyways. That is how health insurance works, those insured by the provider either pay their premiums or some entity pays their premiums for them, those paid premiums cover operating costs and if the companies and shareholders get their way, healthy profit margins to boot. Every plan sold is part of those operating costs, therefore you DO pay for those things, whether you chose to acknowledge that or not. Even if your medical bills covered by your plan AFTER deductible, run as high as your premiums are set to cost... EVER seen how fast premiums can skyrocket if they aren't making their desired margins?

Insurance runs on the principle that no two policy holders are exactly alike and they count on healthier holders offsetting less healthy policy holders. That said, IF your medical bills consistently exceed your premiums, those premiums race to try to catch up. Insurance companies aren't exactly non-profit charity foundations after all, they are more akin to a casino than a thrift shop.

This last statement of yours has completely destroyed your argument for Obamacare! Believe me I knew every detail, in Obamacare, that I had to pay for and didn't want. You are correct that the process was tedious and complicated. The Obamacare website cost billions of dollars and didn't work. To say that wasn't the democrats and Obamas fault is disingenuous at best. If it wasn't their fault, who's fault was it? They rammed it through, on purely political lines, and forced every American to deal with it.



This is not meant to offend, but I think you have that a little mixed up, it's not who you can v**e for, it's when and where. But with that said I agree with you, there is a disenfranchisement subjected to the independent/non affiliated v**er and it is unfair, I know I'm one too. It's BS, clear and simple and I don't understand the reasoning behind it.


The mandates in Obamacare are unconstitutional, period. Nobody, including the government, has the right to tell you or me what we "have to buy" Don't give me this garbage about car insurance...I don't own a car, I don't have to pay for car insurance. Obamacare is different...if I'm alive, and in America, I'm "forced/coerced" into paying for things I don't want. It's a dog, with fleas.