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“Lyin’ Ted”, as Trump used to call him, is at it again.
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Oct 16, 2020 22:34:11   #
Tarheel630
 
In 08’ I was paying $7200 for healthcare for both me and my wife with a $2500 deductible that included both. Of course I was happy with it and Obama said I could keep it but then they could no longer compete just like he wanted and I lost it. I signed up for BC/BS, which was about $400 more per month which continued to increase until 2016 it was over $21,300/ yr. with a $5500 deductible for me and $5500 for my wife. We were both approaching our 60’s with NO health issues. I finally said screw it, this is more than my mortgage. I am now on Medicare and she was lucky enough to get it thru a new employer. People say Trump lies, but he has NEVER said or done anything that was so devastating to me and millions of others as Obama. Our healthcare system is so phucked up now and will never return to what it was. It would have been far better to raise taxes a small amount and move those 14 million to Medicaid where 12 million ended up anyway. It was never 20 million. He was a lying black c_ck sucker with a senile side kick now running for President.

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Oct 16, 2020 22:41:01   #
Carol Kelly
 
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. wrote:
That in itself is funny – Trump branding someone else as a liar.

Moving on, at the senate's Barrett nomination hearing on Wednesday, Lyin Ted Cruz continued the Republican assault on Obamacare, spewing F**E information.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-fact-check-sen-cruz-scrambles-the-stats-on-obamacare/ar-BB1a1Y9Z?li=BBnb7Kz

By the way, Trump has labeled Obamacare a “disaster”.

Can anybody explain to me exactly what is disastrous about Obamacare?


No one can afford it. You can keep your insurance you can keep your doctor, you can keep your hospital. You have to pass the bill before you can read it. It’s a disaster. Small businesses had to let employees go because of it.

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Oct 16, 2020 23:06:40   #
WEBCO
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
No one can afford it. You can keep your insurance you can keep your doctor, you can keep your hospital. You have to pass the bill before you can read it. It’s a disaster. Small businesses had to let employees go because of it.


I worked for a well known high end restaurant, I lost my plan and lost about 20 hours a week. Couldn't let me work 50 hours a week anymore, had to keep everyone under 30 hours. So myself and my family got doubley screwed...no more insurance plan, and a lot less hours/income. Thanks Obama and democrats...if you really want to help people "get the hell out of their lives"

Reagan said it best government is the problem, not the solution.

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Oct 16, 2020 23:22:13   #
Cuda2020
 
RandyBrian wrote:
You keep repeating the above, but that does not make it true. Where's your substantiation that ONLY subpar companies did not make the t***sition? I saw numerous employer shut down providing healthcare and start providing extra money to the employee to use for ACA insurance, which was far more costly to the employee and almost always substandard coverage. Healthcare insurance as it was, was a s**m on the people. ACA is worse. Much worse, from what I've seen.


What it is, is your lack of comprehension of simply what the ACA is/was, instead you wish to blame it on everything that goes wrong with every insurance company and policy holder, get a grip on reality. You boast a lot of baseless rhetoric, can you back up any of this, right now it seems like hearsay. What you just can't seem to comprehend is that there is NO ACA Insurance, period. Policies were selected by the individual to what they could afford as someone on the right said earlier, I believe blade. Insurances set their own rates, not the government. So get pissed at them, which is exactly who you should be pissed at, not the ACA! You've just bought the bill of goods called propaganda from the right.

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Oct 16, 2020 23:28:17   #
Cuda2020
 
WEBCO wrote:
I worked for a well known high end restaurant, I lost my plan and lost about 20 hours a week. Couldn't let me work 50 hours a week anymore, had to keep everyone under 30 hours. So myself and my family got doubley screwed...no more insurance plan, and a lot less hours/income. Thanks Obama and democrats...if you really want to help people "get the hell out of their lives"

Reagan said it best government is the problem, not the solution.


If you lost hours and income you should have reapplied to make the adjustments. I think most people got stuck because the process of applying was to tedious, difficult or complicated. That was it's biggest problem. And that had nothing to do with the democrats or Obama. You people haven't changed, if you get a hang nail you blame it on Obama and the democrats.

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Oct 16, 2020 23:31:40   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
If you lost hours and income you should have reapplied to make the adjustments. I think most people got stuck because the process of applying was to tedious, difficult or complicated. That was it's biggest problem. And that had nothing to do with the democrats or Obama. You people haven't changed, if you get a hang nail you blame it on Obama and the democrats.


You simply have no clue. All you know is cut and paste.

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Oct 16, 2020 23:50:45   #
Cuda2020
 
JFlorio wrote:
You simply have no clue. All you know is cut and paste.


Where did I cut and paste? You're the clueless one.

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Oct 16, 2020 23:55:06   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Where did I cut and paste? You're the clueless one.


Actually my bad. You just regurgitate leftwing talking points. It's Bad Bob that cuts and pastes everything.

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Oct 16, 2020 23:59:14   #
Cuda2020
 
Tarheel630 wrote:
In 08’ I was paying $7200 for healthcare for both me and my wife with a $2500 deductible that included both. Of course I was happy with it and Obama said I could keep it but then they could no longer compete just like he wanted and I lost it. I signed up for BC/BS, which was about $400 more per month which continued to increase until 2016 it was over $21,300/ yr. with a $5500 deductible for me and $5500 for my wife. We were both approaching our 60’s with NO health issues. I finally said screw it, this is more than my mortgage. I am now on Medicare and she was lucky enough to get it thru a new employer. People say Trump lies, but he has NEVER said or done anything that was so devastating to me and millions of others as Obama. Our healthcare system is so phucked up now and will never return to what it was. It would have been far better to raise taxes a small amount and move those 14 million to Medicaid where 12 million ended up anyway. It was never 20 million. He was a lying black c_ck sucker with a senile side kick now running for President.
In 08’ I was paying $7200 for healthcare for both ... (show quote)


You don't find it a bit ridiculous to be mocking Biden for his age, when Trump is only younger by a couple of years, they were in high school at the same time for Pete's sake. I mean I could see it if Trump was Buttigeige's age but he's not even close, and he acts like someone with half of a mind. So give that a rest.

The health care can be reformed in no time, it's just about policies. It's having people agree that holds everything up.
But here's the thing, representatives are being paid by lobbyist as they create a health plan, well I don't know about you but I find that a real conflict of interest for me. So my question is... who's at the table with some skin in the game for us?

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Oct 17, 2020 00:00:24   #
Cuda2020
 
JFlorio wrote:
Actually my bad. You just regurgitate leftwing talking points. It's Bad Bob that cuts and pastes everything.


You mean facts, yeah I guess I do repeat those. I take it you don't know who you're talking to half the time? Ok, noted too.

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Oct 17, 2020 00:05:35   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
You mean facts, yeah I guess I do repeat those. I take it you don't know who you're talking to half the time? Ok, noted too.


Was doing a number of things. Not much difference between you and any other progressive. Unlike you, myself and others have been under the ACA, but you know more. You’re just repeating stuff you’ve read. We actually lived it. You think you’re always the smartest one in the room. That’s true, only if, you’re the only one in the room.

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Oct 17, 2020 00:09:21   #
Cuda2020
 
WEBCO wrote:
Yes the "mandates" in Obamacare took away my insurance. You're assuming that I'm ignorant I'm not. My wife and I are past child bearing years, so we didn't want or need to pay for maternity care or prenatal care anymore. Our premiums and deductible tripled. We couldn't afford it, Obamacare, so we lost all our coverage. Glad it worked out for you, but it royaly screwed my family. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and insulting.


Just curious do you know what is included on policies for men that women don't use, most women are also paying for that and not needing it. I happen to agree that we all should be able to choose what we need and don't need and not treat our health insurance policy like a cable tv package.

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Oct 17, 2020 00:22:46   #
Cuda2020
 
JFlorio wrote:
Was doing a number of things. Not much difference between you and any other progressive. Unlike you, myself and others have been under the ACA, but you know more. You’re just repeating stuff you’ve read. We actually lived it. You think you’re always the smartest one in the room. That’s true, only if, you’re the only one in the room.


Don't get pissed off at me because I know what I'm talking about. I never think I'm the smartest one in the room, I'm just posting what I know or think I know like every other schmuck here. If I'm wrong then prove it. I'm not saying this is a golden goose, but it certainly is not a so called disaster as Trump and republicans keep saying, that's total BS. The Insurance companies don't like having to pay claims, they have had record profits for years.

Yes they're are problems, so lets fix them and not throw the baby out with the bath water. A fact is many more people have insurance now that never had any before, that BTW saves us all money.

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Oct 17, 2020 00:45:12   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Fact. Many more people lost the insurance they liked and it got way more expensive for a lot of us. Fact. I work with a healthcare expert so I absolutely know the problems with the ACA. If that’s not good enough I guess you’re just to convinced you are right.
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Don't get pissed off at me because I know what I'm talking about. I never think I'm the smartest one in the room, I'm just posting what I know or think I know like every other schmuck here. If I'm wrong then prove it. I'm not saying this is a golden goose, but it certainly is not a so called disaster as Trump and republicans keep saying, that's total BS. The Insurance companies don't like having to pay claims, they have had record profits for years.

Yes they're are problems, so lets fix them and not throw the baby out with the bath water. A fact is many more people have insurance now that never had any before, that BTW saves us all money.
Don't get pissed off at me because I know what I'm... (show quote)

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Oct 17, 2020 04:20:59   #
WEBCO
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Just curious do you know what is included on policies for men that women don't use, most women are also paying for that and not needing it. I happen to agree that we all should be able to choose what we need and don't need and not treat our health insurance policy like a cable tv package.


So you agree then that the mandates for my family cost us our health insurance plan. ALL health insurance plans under Obamacare included prenatal care, a******ns, and a myriad of other requirements that people didn't want or need. Why were nuns forced to pay for a******ns, or prenatal care? You said you had it for a year, when you and your wife were in your 60s, if that's really the case didn't you object to paying for prenatal care and a******ns as well?

So Obamacare "mandated" that you pay for the most expensive cable package available, even though you didn't want or need it. That's called coercion and it's illegal.

This last statement of yours has completely destroyed your argument for Obamacare! Believe me I knew every detail, in Obamacare, that I had to pay for and didn't want. You are correct that the process was tedious and complicated. The Obamacare website cost billions of dollars and didn't work. To say that wasn't the democrats and Obamas fault is disingenuous at best. If it wasn't their fault, who's fault was it? They rammed it through, on purely political lines, and forced every American to deal with it.

See I'm an independent, I don't v**e any party line. I'm not beholden to any party. Unfortunately, in my state of Arizona, that means that I don't get to v**e in general e******ns. I think that fact alone disenfranchises me. I only get to v**e for who the Republicans and democrats tell me my choices are. I would have v**ed for Ben Carson, if I had the choice.

The mandates in Obamacare are unconstitutional, period. Nobody, including the government, has the right to tell you or me what we "have to buy" Don't give me this garbage about car insurance...I don't own a car, I don't have to pay for car insurance. Obamacare is different...if I'm alive, and in America, I'm "forced/coerced" into paying for things I don't want. It's a dog, with fleas.

If you,and your family, are in a position to help others with "THEIR" medical bills then go ahead. God bless you for it! I've done the same, when I could. It's not only the Christian thing to do, but the right thing to do, IMHO. When I haven't been able to help families, financially, my entire family is always willing to donate our time and energy. That being said...NOBODY, including the government, has the RIGHT to "force" me to do this.

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