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Oct 16, 2020 16:38:50   #
WEBCO
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Obama care didn't take away your insurance, they did it to themselves by being bogus and not meeting the minimum standards, they were ripping you off and you didn't know it, you wouldn't not until you needed coverage, that's how it worked for these fraudulent companies for years.


Yes the "mandates" in Obamacare took away my insurance. You're assuming that I'm ignorant I'm not. My wife and I are past child bearing years, so we didn't want or need to pay for maternity care or prenatal care anymore. Our premiums and deductible tripled. We couldn't afford it, Obamacare, so we lost all our coverage. Glad it worked out for you, but it royaly screwed my family. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and insulting.

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Oct 16, 2020 16:41:48   #
WEBCO
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Nothing the government is in charge of ever gets cheaper. Not unless there is a corresponding degradation of wh**ever service they purport to provide.


It gets more expensive and the quality goes down. Let insurance companies sell across state lines. Let hospitals actually compete for customers. Stop charging insurance companies $12 for 2 advice.

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Oct 16, 2020 17:25:28   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
WEBCO wrote:
Yes the "mandates" in Obamacare took away my insurance. You're assuming that I'm ignorant I'm not. My wife and I are past child bearing years, so we didn't want or need to pay for maternity care or prenatal care anymore. Our premiums and deductible tripled. We couldn't afford it, Obamacare, so we lost all our coverage. Glad it worked out for you, but it royaly screwed my family. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and insulting.


My experience was somewhat similar to yours with regards to ACA. Ignorant, by definition, is anyone who disagrees with Barracuda. Insulting, also by definition, is anyone who SAYS they disagree with Barracuda.

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Oct 16, 2020 18:48:01   #
Cuda2020
 
JFlorio wrote:
Well, I’ve lived it so I know. Most private plans and ACA don’t compare to employer plans. I know. I’ve had all three. What part of me saying pre existing should be covered you missed. Could have been done without the ACA.


And what did you miss on capping, and if someone had a good insurance through their employer they could keep it. It was the ones that couldn't meet a minimum standard that went away and good riddens, they should have, all they did was rip people off, or was that ok with you?

The whole pre-existing condition to be kept in place, by whose promise, the liar in charge, oh yeah I believe that. They've had 8 Obama years, 4 Trump years, and they still have no F-ing plan, come on man, they're as useless as tits on a turtle.

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Oct 16, 2020 18:56:04   #
Cuda2020
 
WEBCO wrote:
Yes the "mandates" in Obamacare took away my insurance. You're assuming that I'm ignorant I'm not. My wife and I are past child bearing years, so we didn't want or need to pay for maternity care or prenatal care anymore. Our premiums and deductible tripled. We couldn't afford it, Obamacare, so we lost all our coverage. Glad it worked out for you, but it royaly screwed my family. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and insulting.


I'll say it again, if a mandate took away your insurance... it was due to it being substandard. Do you understand that? Obama care was not an insurance. Your premiums increased because insurance increases every year, now when insurance companies had to actually start paying out claims, they increased their premiums, see how that works, has nothing to do with Obama care, you're just eating up the misinformation from the right to get you to h**e something that is actually good for you but costs them money, they don't make as much money and their CEO's may feel a slight crunch from his millions. Don't be their tool buddy.

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Oct 16, 2020 19:38:56   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I'll say it again, if a mandate took away your insurance... it was due to it being substandard. Do you understand that? Obama care was not an insurance. Your premiums increased because insurance increases every year, now when insurance companies had to actually start paying out claims, they increased their premiums, see how that works, has nothing to do with Obama care, you're just eating up the misinformation from the right to get you to h**e something that is actually good for you but costs them money, they don't make as much money and their CEO's may feel a slight crunch from his millions. Don't be their tool buddy.
I'll say it again, if a mandate took away your ins... (show quote)


You keep repeating the above, but that does not make it true. Where's your substantiation that ONLY subpar companies did not make the t***sition? I saw numerous employer shut down providing healthcare and start providing extra money to the employee to use for ACA insurance, which was far more costly to the employee and almost always substandard coverage. Healthcare insurance as it was, was a s**m on the people. ACA is worse. Much worse, from what I've seen.

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Oct 16, 2020 19:58:45   #
WEBCO
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I'll say it again, if a mandate took away your insurance... it was due to it being substandard. Do you understand that? Obama care was not an insurance. Your premiums increased because insurance increases every year, now when insurance companies had to actually start paying out claims, they increased their premiums, see how that works, has nothing to do with Obama care, you're just eating up the misinformation from the right to get you to h**e something that is actually good for you but costs them money, they don't make as much money and their CEO's may feel a slight crunch from his millions. Don't be their tool buddy.
I'll say it again, if a mandate took away your ins... (show quote)

Your definition of substandard and mine a completely different. I liked my old plan, who the hell are you to tell me what insurance coverage my family needs you pompous ass

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Oct 16, 2020 20:37:34   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
RandyBrian wrote:
You keep repeating the above, but that does not make it true. Where's your substantiation that ONLY subpar companies did not make the t***sition? I saw numerous employer shut down providing healthcare and start providing extra money to the employee to use for ACA insurance, which was far more costly to the employee and almost always substandard coverage. Healthcare insurance as it was, was a s**m on the people. ACA is worse. Much worse, from what I've seen.


Like I said. I***ts regurgitating talking points. Most that lost plans were plenty happy with them. I was. when they told health insurers they had to cover pre-existing conditions and all kinds of other conditions that made no sense, the health insurers new they couldn't sell private plans like that. They went immediately to the exchanges where the claimants are subsidized. Once again, no incentive to watch costs. Florida went from multiple providers to two main ones. The lady in my office has done health insurance for thirty years. She is excellent. Had four people working under her. Now it's just her. The ACA took money that was going to the sellers and gave it to the i***ts that answered calls for the exchanges. You know, the people that never could answer your questions.

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Oct 16, 2020 20:40:37   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
WEBCO wrote:
Your definition of substandard and mine a completely different. I liked my old plan, who the hell are you to tell me what insurance coverage my family needs you pompous ass


it wouldn't know the difference between standard and substandard. I guess my old plan was substandard because it wouldn't pay for a pap smear if I wanted one.

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Oct 16, 2020 20:46:26   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
WEBCO wrote:
Your definition of substandard and mine a completely different. I liked my old plan, who the hell are you to tell me what insurance coverage my family needs you pompous ass


I am not and did not tell you what you or your family needs. Where did you get THAT from? My statement was and is that in my opinion, ACA is far worse and more expensive than what we had before. Obama and his supporters and their representatives forced an inferior product, in the dead of night, onto the American people, resulting in millions losing their coverage, or paying a lot more for it, or having to accept less coverage. That is a fact that is easily verified. So, in fact, it is the action of people YOU support that is telling Americans what insurance coverage they can have. And worse, I suspect you support the 'one payer plan', which will be a disaster if it ever comes about.
If you feel differently, that is your prerogative. But before you continue to call me names, you should take a hard look in the mirror. Reasonable people can discuss differences reasonably. You don't seem to qualify, do you?

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Oct 16, 2020 20:53:12   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
WEBCO wrote:
Your definition of substandard and mine a completely different. I liked my old plan, who the hell are you to tell me what insurance coverage my family needs you pompous ass


One more thing to add. If ACA is so good, why do tens of millions of people want TO SEE IT ENDED? We are NOT l*****ts, so if something works, even if we did not think it would work, we would have accepted it. Nor are we out to remove it to harm Obama's "legacy". So WHY are we demanding that Trump, or someone else, get rid of it.
Because tens of millions of us were and are being harmed by it. In addition, it's stated goal was to provide insurance to, what was it? 30 million uninsured? The last time I saw figures on the number of insured, it apparently failed to even do that.

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Oct 16, 2020 21:06:25   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
Like I said. I***ts regurgitating talking points. Most that lost plans were plenty happy with them. I was. when they told health insurers they had to cover pre-existing conditions and all kinds of other conditions that made no sense, the health insurers new they couldn't sell private plans like that. They went immediately to the exchanges where the claimants are subsidized. Once again, no incentive to watch costs. Florida went from multiple providers to two main ones. The lady in my office has done health insurance for thirty years. She is excellent. Had four people working under her. Now it's just her. The ACA took money that was going to the sellers and gave it to the i***ts that answered calls for the exchanges. You know, the people that never could answer your questions.
Like I said. I***ts regurgitating talking points. ... (show quote)


I take your point, but I have to partially disagree with your assessment of Barracuda. I do not think he/she/it is an i***t. I think, like some people, it sees everything in black in white. Trump is bad. Therefore EVERYTHING Trump does is bad and evil. Republicans are bad. Therefore everything they are for is bad. I like Obama. Therefore Obama is good. Therefore EVERTHING Obama proposed or passed takes us one more step towards utopia. And therefore, anyone who agrees with Trump, or disagrees with Obama, is by definition, ignorant, stupid, pompous, or wh**ever adjective comes to mind. Or if we disagree with THEM.
There are far too many people with this world view out there, several of them on OPP. I wish wisdom always came with age, but clearly that isn't the case.

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Oct 16, 2020 21:09:09   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I take your point, but I have to partially disagree with your assessment of Barracuda. I do not think he/she/it is an i***t. I think, like some people, it sees everything in black in white. Trump is bad. Therefore EVERYTHING Trump does is bad and evil. Republicans are bad. Therefore everything they are for is bad. I like Obama. Therefore Obama is good. Therefore EVERTHING Obama proposed or passed takes us one more step towards utopia. And therefore, anyone who agrees with Trump, or disagrees with Obama, is by definition, ignorant, stupid, pompous, or wh**ever adjective comes to mind. Or if we disagree with THEM.
There are far too many people with this world view out there, several of them on OPP. I wish wisdom always came with age, but clearly that isn't the case.
I take your point, but I have to partially disagre... (show quote)


I didn't necessarily call Barracuda an i***t. Pretty much how I feel about progressives. You are just much nicer than I am. If they really do look at things the way you describe they might not be i***ts but they look at things i***tically.

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Oct 16, 2020 21:22:18   #
Army
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
What a ludicrous post, get help.


Your an uninformed joker ! Need history lesson insight. Don't waste my time .Your Very ignorant .

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Oct 16, 2020 22:13:30   #
WEBCO
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I am not and did not tell you what you or your family needs. Where did you get THAT from? My statement was and is that in my opinion, ACA is far worse and more expensive than what we had before. Obama and his supporters and their representatives forced an inferior product, in the dead of night, onto the American people, resulting in millions losing their coverage, or paying a lot more for it, or having to accept less coverage. That is a fact that is easily verified. So, in fact, it is the action of people YOU support that is telling Americans what insurance coverage they can have. And worse, I suspect you support the 'one payer plan', which will be a disaster if it ever comes about.
If you feel differently, that is your prerogative. But before you continue to call me names, you should take a hard look in the mirror. Reasonable people can discuss differences reasonably. You don't seem to qualify, do you?
I am not and did not tell you what you or your fam... (show quote)


I was responding to Barracuda2020, you mistook my comments. I am totally against Obamacare.

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