Bebida Loc: Michigan

EXACTLY!!! PLUS the FACT that they MANDATORILY, collect money from each worker to donate to whichever POLITICAL PARTY delivers the most FAVORS!! And THAT is in ADDITION to their Union Dues!! NO matter WHO the worker wants the money to go to!!

debeda

Absolutely. Were dem for years. Not so much anymore.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

so you are one of those fools who would rather work for a pittance then have a union work to get you a fair wage..

do you think for half a second that the company will pay you a fair wage from the goodness of a heart??

the wealth t***sfer to the rich has been accelerating after the 70s literature and the 80s laws passed during Reagans terms..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

So as usual , you got nothing..

Capt-jack Loc: Home

For some reason, you can not follow! It's not that America did not use a better system, it's that America could not use a better system, every move was blocked by unions. Look at there work, at GMC before they filed bankruptcy they had to pay $25.00 to people to sweep the floors. I suppose you think that is just fine.
That is why companies moved to other countries, all in an effort to get away from unions, pure fact.

debeda

Very true

Capt-jack Loc: Home

The only answer you have cartoons. Well, I am sorry I forgot you have lots of BS and lies.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Bit of a cretin aren't you.. gravity set to high today??

the answer was very clear in my post. the greatest reason was that corporations did not use money for investment but rather for stock buy back. An act enabled by a law passed under Reagan..

No investment equals business gone.. farm out the production as cheap as can be, sell at high price to existing US customers.. now maybe drying up, but the same buy back s**m used with the trump gift made many of the rich even richer. check things out,, all you do is make remarks..

If you had ever worked for an hourly wage, you would know the need for Unions and your h**e for them would be seen as self distructive...

The world didn't take America's jobs, America let the world have them without investing in a path to new ones because politicians were more interested in tax cuts, and corporate America was more interested in short term gains.

Capt-jack Loc: Home

Your ignorance is awesome, I never worked for a union, and one night at dinner with 3 other couples
pay/money cam up, all of my buddies had degrees and I never graduated from college. Well, it turned out I made a lot more than any of them, which did not go over very well.
Unions keep the smart ones down, but they do hold up the incompetence to make more then possible if not for the union.
If you look at the Soviet Union, that had unions lots of them, I always wondered why. I think the union keeps everyone in line, plus any talk of dissension would be heard right away.
Unions are a dead end, you can not get ahead unless you go on strick. Without the union, if you are good
at your job, the company can and will pay you more, this is not possible with a union, all must be paid the same.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

jack,, no surprise, I said you had never worked with a union... the lose of unions, most notable under Reagan, was one of the final nails in the coffin of the middle class.. along with the writings from the 70s which demonized the labor section of an economy as an enemy rather then an equal part..

without union representation the average wage earner is underpaid, deprived of opportunity and left with out recourse...

The existence of a union or even the idea of one, also affects the pay/opportunity of low level non-union employees..

If you think a business 1.. gives out jobs as a kindness because they have a lot of money laying around you are among the most gullible in our nation.. Jobs are only given if great need.. the last thing a business wants to do is bring in any new jobs. Only when the need dictates is that done..

And every large business also has people/a person who has the job of keeping pay as low as possible.. with no representation and support from a union the pay and perks will be as low as the subsistence level..

And while Unions and cost of labor are always posed as the great reason for the flood to off shore our mfg economy, as my post stated the real reason was and is to this very day.. the refusal of corporation to invest in our country.. using money from all sources to buy back stock rather the invest demands that they have to find options for the lost infrastructure in the USA. That sends them off shore to the lowest cost country they can find. that is lowest in every way, not only labor but construction , t***sportation and any other operation cost they can reduce..

And again the law that allowed this to happen was passed during the republican administration of Reagan.. that law, along with citizens united are the two major events in the 20th century which have nearly destroyed the middle class.. and trump promises much more of the same..


the fact that you were happy with your wage means not a thing. all of the middle class must be healthy and robust for a strong America, not only a chosen few..

Henry Ford knew this and made the well paid 8 hour day a normal for the workers of America..

And he did it not for the workers but so that he as an auto maker would have the large population who could afford to buy his cars..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Do not confuse Soviet Labor unions with American labor unions. Or any other country for that matter. controlled by the state they were part of the regimentation of the people , not working for the betterment of workers but for the state..

Pirani (2010) argues that by 1922, “bureaucratised unions routinely opposed strikes; had more unelected officials than elected ones; worked together with party and government to discipline and punish strike organisers; and became, despite some Bolsheviks’ efforts to avoid it, heavily reliant on state funding.. unions had become dependent on the state and factory committees were getting integrated into management, in the context of the ‘social contract’”.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

ReGan set the ball rolling when he attended an Air Traffic Controllers p**********l
Fund raising Dinner for Reagan.

Reagan accepted the check , once he was in as president he fired them all.ohyeah,
One of your major hero’s!
He also let the Sherman Anti Trust Act lapse.
Stopped pension payments for employers.
Abolished the Cap on CEO Pay!
This is so CEOs can make as much money as they can. No limit ! By increasing the size of their corporations to way far beyond Too Big To Fail !!
This why the stock market keeps showing gains , but nothing is produced !
CEOs buying corporations buying back stock To increase their own wealth.
This shows up as stock prices increasing.
No jobs!
Just money making rich people money.!!!

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Trump 2020 !
Sweet Gullible Ewes!!!!

debeda

And abolished unions how?

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Blah blah blah.
They own you now!