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Sep 17, 2020 14:44:56   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Bebida wrote:
REALLY? Which ones??

We lost most of our Corp.s when Clinton sent them all overseas!!


REALLY? Which ones did Clinton send oversees?

And here is a small list of corporate corruption:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corporate_collapses_and_scandals

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Sep 17, 2020 14:52:39   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Bebida wrote:
REALLY? Which ones??

We lost most of our Corp.s when Clinton sent them all overseas!!


Alas Bebida... another idea pushed by trump turns out to be wrong..

This is to long to post all of it.. so only part.. still long and painful for you , but medicine is good for you. Follow the link and read it all..

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

The problem didn't start in the 1990s, it started in the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan — a hero of the Trump administration — was president, and neoliberal economics were first making their mark on policy. Reagan and his ilk distrusted government and believed that the private sector could make the best decisions when left on its own. You've heard about this — it's called laissez faire economics.

This ideology ultimately led to the financialization of the US corporation — the process of putting shareholders first, often at the expense of workers and consumers — and its emergence as an actor that takes resources from the economy rather than creating them. This, combined with a government zeal for lowering taxes rather than spending, means no one — not the government, and not the private sector — is investing enough in America to keep the economy strong across social classes.

In short: Government cuts and changes in how corporations operate mean American workers are getting screwed by their own government and their own employers.

But I'm jumping ahead — let's go back to the Reagan era. That was also the time Japanese manufacturers had developed a superior management style to their American rivals and, frankly, started eating our lunch.

Instead of keeping a wall between management and workers, Japanese manufacturers adopted “organizational integration,” which put technical specialists and shop-floor workers together. The result was better products made faster in Japan, and jobs lost permanently in the United States.

"From 1980 to 1985 employment in the US economy increased from 104.5 million to 107.2 million workers, or by 2.6 percent. But employment of operators, fabricators, and laborers fell from 20.0 million to 16.8 million, a decline of 15.9 percent (US Department of Commerce 1983, 416; and 1986, 386)."

All of this was happening amid a wave of deregulation in the US.

For example, in 1982 he made it legal for companies to repurchase their shares on the open market pretty much whenever they wanted. Previously, the SEC had considered this a form of stock price manipulation.

Employees lost their status.

Reagan's mission was to cut the budget — which meant not spending money investing in the future of these workers. In the decades after this process started, manufacturing workers would find their numbers diminishing as corporations sought ways to please shareholders, and the government sought ways to lower taxes and deregulate the private sector.

No one had their backs.

When corporations borrow money, one would think that money would go into investment in the firm. But according to the Roosevelt Institute, a left-leaning Washington think tank, since the 1980s, companies have invested less than 10 cents of each borrowed dollar. They've put far more effort into buying back stock which, thanks to the way executive compensation works, makes the C-suite richer and richer.

The world didn't take America's jobs, America let the world have them without investing in a path to new ones because politicians were more interested in tax cuts, and corporate America was more interested in short term gains.

That's the part of this sad story you won't hear from the Trump administration.

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Sep 18, 2020 01:41:58   #
debeda
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Now since Reagan abolished unions,
We as Americans
In the Greatest
Country on Earth
Are Circling the drain and holding on for dear life.
Thanks Ronnie and every other Ahole who ever agreed with him !!
And today refuse to say NO to Donnie!!!


Reagan abolished unions????? Half my family who work for unions will be awfully sad. As will all those union government workers Where do you GET this stuff?

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Sep 18, 2020 01:49:44   #
debeda
 
Capt-jack wrote:
If you could go back to 1950, would you do it? There would be no Internet, no cellphones and you would only be able to watch television in black and white. But even though they lacked many of our modern conveniences, people genuinely seemed to be much happier back then.

Families actually ate dinner together, neighbors knew and cared about one another, and being an "American" truly meant something.

Today, we like to think that we are so much more "advanced" than they were back then, but the t***h is that our society is in the process of falling apart all around us. Could it be possible that we could learn some important lessons by looking back at how Americans lived 70 years ago?


Of course there has never been any era in our history when everything has been perfect. But without a doubt, things are vastly different today than they were back in 1950...

In 1950, Texaco Star Theatre, The Lone Ranger and Hopalong Cassidy were some of the most popular shows that Americans watched on television.

In 2020, a Netflix film entitled "Cuties" is so trashy and so d********g that four states have sent a letter to Netflix asking for it to be removed because it is "fodder for those with criminal imaginations, serving to normalize the view that children are sexual beings."

In 1950, television networks would not even show husbands and wives in bed together.

In 2020, "adult websites" get more traffic than Netflix, Amazon and Twitter combined.

In 1950, people would greet one another as they walked down the street.

In 2020, Americans are too enamored with their cellphones to be bothered with actual human contact.

In 1950, gum chewing and talking in class were some of the major disciplinary problems in our schools.

In 2020, kids are literally gunning down police officers in the streets.

In 1950, people would make an effort to dress up and look nice when they would go out in public.

In 2020, most of the population has become utter slobs and "People of Walmart" has become one of our most popular memes.

In 1950, the typical woman got married for the first time at age 20 and the typical man got married for the first time at age 22.

In 2020, the typical woman gets married for the first time at age 27 and the typical man gets married for the first time at age 29.


In 1950, a lot of people would leave their homes and their vehicles unlocked because crime rates were so low.

In 2020, many that live in urban areas are deathly afraid of all the civil unrest that has erupted, and gun sales have soared to all-time record highs.

In 1950, Americans actually attempted to parent their children.

In 2020, we pump our kids full of mind-altering drugs and we let our televisions and our video games raise our children.

In 1950, Baltimore was one of the most beautiful and most prosperous cities on the entire planet.

In 2020, Baltimore regularly makes headlines because of all the murders that are constantly occurring. Of course the exact same thing could be said about many of our other major cities.

In 1950, 78 percent of all households in America contained a married couple.

In 2020, that figure has fallen below 50 percent.

In 1950, about 5 percent of all babies in the United States were born to unmarried parents.

In 2020, about 40 percent of all babies in the United States will be born to unmarried parents.

In 1950, new churches were regularly being opened all over the United States.

In 2020, it is being projected that 1 out of every 5 churches in the U.S. "could be forced to shut their doors in the next 18 months", and the mayor of Lubbock, Texas just said that opening a new Planned Parenthood clinic is like starting a church.

In 1950, we actually had high standards for our elected officials, and people actually did research on the candidates before they cast their v**es.

In 2020, more than 4,000 people in one county in New Hampshire v**ed for a "t***ssexual Satanic anarchist" in the Republican primary, and she is now the Republican nominee for sheriff in Cheshire County.

In 1950, children would go outside and play when they got home from school.


In 2020, our parks and our playgrounds are virtually empty and we have the highest childhood obesity rate in the industrialized world.

In 1950, front porches were community gathering areas, and people would regularly have their neighbors over for dinner.

In 2020, many of us don't know our neighbors at all, and the average American watches more than five hours of television a day.

In 1950, Americans used words such as "knucklehead", "moxie" and "jalopy".

In 2020, new terms such as "nomophobia", "peoplekind" and "social distancing" have been introduced into the English language.

In 1950, the very first credit card was issued in the United States.

In 2020, Americans owe more than 930 billion dollars on their credit cards.

In 1950, one income could support an entire middle class household.

In 2020, tens of millions of Americans have lost their jobs and filed for unemployment, and more than half of all households in some of our largest cities are currently facing "serious financial problems".

In 1950, the American people believed that the free market should govern the economy.

In 2020, most Americans seem to believe that the government in Washington and the Federal Reserve must endlessly "manage" the economy.

In 1950, "socialists" and "c*******ts" were considered to be our greatest national enemies.

In 2020, most of our politicians in Washington have eagerly embraced socialist and c*******t policy goals.

In 1950, the U.S. Constitution was deeply loved and highly revered.

In 2020, anyone that actually admits to being a "constitutionalist" is considered to be a potential d******c t*******t.

In 1950, the United States loaned more money to the rest of the world than anybody else.

In 2020, the United States owes more money to the rest of the world than anybody else.

In 1950, the total U.S. national debt reached the 257 billion dollar mark for the first time in our history.

In 2020, we added 864 billion dollars to the national debt in the month of June alone. In other words, we added over three times more to the national debt in that one month than the total amount of debt that had been accumulated from the founding of our nation all the way to 1950.

In 1950, most Americans were generally happy with their lives.

In 2020, the suicide rate is at an all-time record high, and it has been rising every single year since 2007.

So, where is America going? It is not looking good at all!
If you could go back to 1950, would you do it? Th... (show quote)


Also people had great hope for the future. I don't know if anyone remembers the Weekly Reader little magazines we got in grade school, but I really expected (then) that by the age I am now we'd have flying cars, a 4 day, 6 hour workweek and wonderful, parklike neighborhoods with lots of time to enjoy them. LOL was I over optimistic. It's funny, medically, electronically, and mindless amusements have proliferated, but children CAN'T go out to play in too many places, cuz it's too dangerous, neighbors in most urban and many suburban areas don't even know each other and societal mores are in the toilet. 😖 And common human decency?? Pfft. That's why the mob nowadays targets children, pregnant women and old people. Bullies and lowlifes all.....

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Sep 18, 2020 01:54:26   #
debeda
 
Capt-jack wrote:
JFK a democrat cut the 90% tax and the economy took off like a rocket. guess you boys forgot that!
I am very well off, and I never worked under a union, unions hold up the slackers and I don't give a crap workers. I learned what I wanted to do and learned how to do it fast a well. People came to my home asking me to come and work for them while I was already employed. Unions are part of the reason our corporation moved to China and Mexico. There yearly bribery for a new contract drove the Corps away.
When I went to school, there was SHOP, woodshop and metal shop. Kids could learn how to weld and lots
more, a welder today can make $100,000 a year. But no more, we import foreigners and pay them and our kids look for the government to give them aid.
As long as we have dopes things I fear will never change. You guys just want to blame someone
but you have no idea as to what is going on!
JFK a democrat cut the 90% tax and the economy too... (show quote)



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Sep 18, 2020 01:54:56   #
debeda
 
Noraa wrote:
I agree! I owned my own company for 35 years. Never belonged to a Union and never went to college. Was in the Air Force. Never on the government dole of any kind. A lot of people now-a-days don't,won't or are not taught to take care of themselves and work hard to better themselves. I fear for I future but I won't be around to see what happens.



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Sep 18, 2020 01:56:17   #
debeda
 
working class stiff wrote:
REALLY? Which ones did Clinton send oversees?

And here is a small list of corporate corruption:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_corporate_collapses_and_scandals


The most crooked corporations are those that own our media...

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Sep 18, 2020 09:27:31   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
Milosia2 wrote:
So are CORPORATIONS. !!!!!!!


Just to help out the blind, CORPORATIONS are a mass of people, that bought with money a part of the building, wiring, lighting, land and build something...cars...planes... computers, etc. The idea is to make some money.
Yes, I know you think that is a bad thing.

I grow tired of teaching you, you seem to have a learning problem.

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Sep 18, 2020 09:34:33   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
permafrost wrote:
Alas Bebida... another idea pushed by trump turns out to be wrong..

This is to long to post all of it.. so only part.. still long and painful for you , but medicine is good for you. Follow the link and read it all..

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

The problem didn't start in the 1990s, it started in the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan — a hero of the Trump administration — was president, and neoliberal economics were first making their mark on policy. Reagan and his ilk distrusted government and believed that the private sector could make the best decisions when left on its own. You've heard about this — it's called laissez faire economics.

This ideology ultimately led to the financialization of the US corporation — the process of putting shareholders first, often at the expense of workers and consumers — and its emergence as an actor that takes resources from the economy rather than creating them. This, combined with a government zeal for lowering taxes rather than spending, means no one — not the government, and not the private sector — is investing enough in America to keep the economy strong across social classes.

In short: Government cuts and changes in how corporations operate mean American workers are getting screwed by their own government and their own employers.

But I'm jumping ahead — let's go back to the Reagan era. That was also the time Japanese manufacturers had developed a superior management style to their American rivals and, frankly, started eating our lunch.

Instead of keeping a wall between management and workers, Japanese manufacturers adopted “organizational integration,” which put technical specialists and shop-floor workers together. The result was better products made faster in Japan, and jobs lost permanently in the United States.

"From 1980 to 1985 employment in the US economy increased from 104.5 million to 107.2 million workers, or by 2.6 percent. But employment of operators, fabricators, and laborers fell from 20.0 million to 16.8 million, a decline of 15.9 percent (US Department of Commerce 1983, 416; and 1986, 386)."

All of this was happening amid a wave of deregulation in the US.

For example, in 1982 he made it legal for companies to repurchase their shares on the open market pretty much whenever they wanted. Previously, the SEC had considered this a form of stock price manipulation.

Employees lost their status.

Reagan's mission was to cut the budget — which meant not spending money investing in the future of these workers. In the decades after this process started, manufacturing workers would find their numbers diminishing as corporations sought ways to please shareholders, and the government sought ways to lower taxes and deregulate the private sector.

No one had their backs.

When corporations borrow money, one would think that money would go into investment in the firm. But according to the Roosevelt Institute, a left-leaning Washington think tank, since the 1980s, companies have invested less than 10 cents of each borrowed dollar. They've put far more effort into buying back stock which, thanks to the way executive compensation works, makes the C-suite richer and richer.

The world didn't take America's jobs, America let the world have them without investing in a path to new ones because politicians were more interested in tax cuts, and corporate America was more interested in short term gains.

That's the part of this sad story you won't hear from the Trump administration.
Alas Bebida... another idea pushed by trump turns ... (show quote)


You say """ But I'm jumping ahead — let's go back to the Reagan era. That was also the time Japanese manufacturers had developed a superior management style to their American rivals and, frankly, started eating our lunch. '''

What you don't know= a lot! The Japanese system was taught to them by an American economist.
He went there to prove his system because he could not do it here in America because of UNIONS and the c****e left. Since you went to a government school they would never teach you that, so now you know why
you are so uninformed.

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Sep 18, 2020 09:48:03   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Capt-jack wrote:
You say """ But I'm jumping ahead — let's go back to the Reagan era. That was also the time Japanese manufacturers had developed a superior management style to their American rivals and, frankly, started eating our lunch. '''

What you don't know= a lot! The Japanese system was taught to them by an American economist.
He went there to prove his system because he could not do it here in America because of UNIONS and the c****e left. Since you went to a government school they would never teach you that, so now you know why
you are so uninformed.
You say """ But I'm jumping ahead —... (show quote)


so you contend that management in America did not use a better system because of Unions!!!

wow, that is some claim..

Anyway, Japan back in the day did a better job of management while american biz per the Reagan law changes did not invest in business but rather buy back stock and make themselves even richer.. sound like things only got worst under trump..

same crimes, by the same group of people, but with even more blessing and participation from trump..

a crook is a crook is a crook..



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Sep 18, 2020 10:13:56   #
Capt-jack Loc: Home
 
permafrost wrote:
so you contend that management in America did not use a better system because of Unions!!!

wow, that is some claim..

Anyway, Japan back in the day did a better job of management while american biz per the Reagan law changes did not invest in business but rather buy back stock and make themselves even richer.. sound like things only got worst under trump..

same crimes, by the same group of people, but with even more blessing and participation from trump..

a crook is a crook is a crook..
so you contend that management in America did not ... (show quote)



That's your replay? Go back under your rock

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Sep 18, 2020 12:56:58   #
Bebida Loc: Michigan
 
debeda wrote:
Also people had great hope for the future. I don't know if anyone remembers the Weekly Reader little magazines we got in grade school, but I really expected (then) that by the age I am now we'd have flying cars, a 4 day, 6 hour workweek and wonderful, parklike neighborhoods with lots of time to enjoy them. LOL was I over optimistic. It's funny, medically, electronically, and mindless amusements have proliferated, but children CAN'T go out to play in too many places, cuz it's too dangerous, neighbors in most urban and many suburban areas don't even know each other and societal mores are in the toilet. 😖 And common human decency?? Pfft. That's why the mob nowadays targets children, pregnant women and old people. Bullies and lowlifes all.....
Also people had great hope for the future. I don't... (show quote)


WELL SAID!!

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Sep 18, 2020 13:00:29   #
Bebida Loc: Michigan
 
permafrost wrote:
so you contend that management in America did not use a better system because of Unions!!!

wow, that is some claim..

Anyway, Japan back in the day did a better job of management while american biz per the Reagan law changes did not invest in business but rather buy back stock and make themselves even richer.. sound like things only got worst under trump..

same crimes, by the same group of people, but with even more blessing and participation from trump..

a crook is a crook is a crook..
so you contend that management in America did not ... (show quote)


The Unions DID MANAGE to PUT A LOT Of BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS!! 30+ businesses within a 50 mile radius of me, went OUT OF BUSINESS because of the UNIONS JACKING the WAGES UP SO HIGH that it was NO LONGER PROFITABLE for the Businesses to STAY in Business!!!

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Sep 18, 2020 13:03:50   #
debeda
 
Bebida wrote:
WELL SAID!!


🌞🌞

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Sep 18, 2020 13:05:43   #
debeda
 
Bebida wrote:
The Unions DID MANAGE to PUT A LOT Of BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS!! 30+ businesses within a 50 mile radius of me, went OUT OF BUSINESS because of the UNIONS JACKING the WAGES UP SO HIGH that it was NO LONGER PROFITABLE for the Businesses to STAY in Business!!!


Yes. And the unions jacking up wages, mostly to benefit the union itself, NOT the workers, is what decimated the steel, automotive, and heavy manufacturing in the US.....

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