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Sep 20, 2020 19:11:05   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Biblically, 14 was a fine age for marriage...

I believe Mary was 13...

I like to think that she gave consent...
According to the Bible, Mary had no choice in the matter, Yahweh Himself chose her.

The Bible says that Mary, the mother of Jesus, had the unique privilege of giving birth to him while she was still a virgin. The Bible foretold this miracle in the book of Isaiah and reported its fulfillment in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke.

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7: 14

In 1st chapter of Luke, the angel Gabriel appeared to Miriam (Mary), and said, "Hail, thou that are highly favored, Yahweh is with thee, blessed art thou among women." And, Mary was afraid. Gabriel then said, "Fear not Mary, for thou hast found favor with Elohim. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Yahshua."

Matthew 1:25, speaking of Joseph, declares, “But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.” The word "until" clearly indicates that Joseph and Mary did have normal sexual relations after Jesus was born. Mary remained a virgin until the Savior’s birth, but later Joseph and Mary had several children together.


The Bible does not specify any particular age requirement for a person to be married; rather, it speaks in general terms of marriage being for those who are “grown up” (see Ruth 1:12–13). Both the language and culture of the Bible strongly support the idea that puberty, at bare minimum, is a condition that must be met before becoming someone’s spouse. This fits with one of the historical purposes of marriage—conceiving and rearing children. Scriptural evidence indicates that those too young for childbearing are not candidates for marriage, though there is no explicit age given in the Bible.

It is reasonable to look at the practices of ancient Judaism for cultural considerations on the proper age for marriage. According to tradition, boys were not considered “men,” and therefore not marriageable, until the age of 13. Girls were not considered “women” until age 12. These ages more or less correspond to the onset of puberty. While those ages might seem too young to us, they are not unusual ages for getting married, historically. It has only been within the last century or so that the average age of getting married has drifted into the late twenties and early thirties.

It’s also important to recall that maturity—often used as a benchmark for allowing sexuality and marriage—is highly cultural. In modern Western countries, people are not generally expected to be self-sufficient until they are nearly in their twenties, or even later. For most of human history, however, people were expected to “grow up” much sooner. The age of getting married was normally young, as everyone was expected to mature socially and emotionally more quickly than today.

The Hebrew language also supports the idea that puberty is a requirement for a legitimate marriage. Ezekiel 16 contains a metaphor for God’s relationship to Israel. In this passage, God cares for Israel, pictured as an orphaned girl in various stages of development. The Lord first sees her birth, then watches her grow up: “You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown. . . . Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you” (verses 7–8). In this illustration, it’s only after the girl arrives at physical maturity, sometime after (not during) puberty when she is “old enough to love,” that she is ready for marriage. Other t***slations say the girl “grew tall and came of age” (NET) and “grew up, matured, and became a young woman” (GWT).

Hebrew, as English, uses different words for younger and older members of either sex. Naˈar refers to young men, while yeled refers to boys age 12 or younger. For females, naˈarah means “a marriageable woman,” while yaldah refers to a girl 11 or younger—too young for marriage. Once again, these words and definitions seem to enforce the idea that the onset of puberty is a requirement for marriage. Before that time, a boy or girl is not of an age to be married.

The New Testament has even less to say about the age of getting married. Still, there are clues in New Testament Greek similar to those in Hebrew. For example, 1 Corinthians 7:36 uses the word hyperakmos in reference to a female. In this case, it’s a young woman who’s engaged to be married. Hyperakmos is t***slated as “past her youth” (NASB), past “the flower of her age” (KJV), or “past marriageable age” (CSB). The word literally means “ripe,” a common euphemism in many cultures for describing a woman’s capability for bearing children. Paul’s inclusion of the word definitely indicates that the marriageable age was sometime after puberty, when a woman is fully grown. But Scripture nowhere sets a definitive marriageable age: physical maturity is a must, but when a girl reaches maturity can vary. The 12-year-old in Mark 5:41–42 is still a “little girl” and obviously not ready for marriage.

As with many other issues, the proper age for getting married has a cultural component that the Bible does not specifically override. What constitutes a proper marriage age can vary from culture to culture and still fall within the bounds of scripturally proper conduct. The bottom line is that p********a and child marriages are unacceptable. A person must be fully grown to be married; he or she must be physically mature enough for sexuality and child-bearing. Beyond that, the Bible does not specify a minimum age for marriage.

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Sep 20, 2020 19:18:15   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
According to the Bible, Mary had no choice in the matter, Yahweh Himself chose her.

The Bible says that Mary, the mother of Jesus, had the unique privilege of giving birth to him while she was still a virgin. The Bible foretold this miracle in the book of Isaiah and reported its fulfillment in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke.

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7: 14

In 1st chapter of Luke, the angel Gabriel appeared to Miriam (Mary), and said, "Hail, thou that are highly favored, Yahweh is with thee, blessed art thou among women." And, Mary was afraid. Gabriel then said, "Fear not Mary, for thou hast found favor with Elohim. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Yahshua."

Matthew 1:25, speaking of Joseph, declares, “But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.” The word "until" clearly indicates that Joseph and Mary did have normal sexual relations after Jesus was born. Mary remained a virgin until the Savior’s birth, but later Joseph and Mary had several children together.


The Bible does not specify any particular age requirement for a person to be married; rather, it speaks in general terms of marriage being for those who are “grown up” (see Ruth 1:12–13). Both the language and culture of the Bible strongly support the idea that puberty, at bare minimum, is a condition that must be met before becoming someone’s spouse. This fits with one of the historical purposes of marriage—conceiving and rearing children. Scriptural evidence indicates that those too young for childbearing are not candidates for marriage, though there is no explicit age given in the Bible.

It is reasonable to look at the practices of ancient Judaism for cultural considerations on the proper age for marriage. According to tradition, boys were not considered “men,” and therefore not marriageable, until the age of 13. Girls were not considered “women” until age 12. These ages more or less correspond to the onset of puberty. While those ages might seem too young to us, they are not unusual ages for getting married, historically. It has only been within the last century or so that the average age of getting married has drifted into the late twenties and early thirties.

It’s also important to recall that maturity—often used as a benchmark for allowing sexuality and marriage—is highly cultural. In modern Western countries, people are not generally expected to be self-sufficient until they are nearly in their twenties, or even later. For most of human history, however, people were expected to “grow up” much sooner. The age of getting married was normally young, as everyone was expected to mature socially and emotionally more quickly than today.

The Hebrew language also supports the idea that puberty is a requirement for a legitimate marriage. Ezekiel 16 contains a metaphor for God’s relationship to Israel. In this passage, God cares for Israel, pictured as an orphaned girl in various stages of development. The Lord first sees her birth, then watches her grow up: “You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown. . . . Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you” (verses 7–8). In this illustration, it’s only after the girl arrives at physical maturity, sometime after (not during) puberty when she is “old enough to love,” that she is ready for marriage. Other t***slations say the girl “grew tall and came of age” (NET) and “grew up, matured, and became a young woman” (GWT).

Hebrew, as English, uses different words for younger and older members of either sex. Naˈar refers to young men, while yeled refers to boys age 12 or younger. For females, naˈarah means “a marriageable woman,” while yaldah refers to a girl 11 or younger—too young for marriage. Once again, these words and definitions seem to enforce the idea that the onset of puberty is a requirement for marriage. Before that time, a boy or girl is not of an age to be married.

The New Testament has even less to say about the age of getting married. Still, there are clues in New Testament Greek similar to those in Hebrew. For example, 1 Corinthians 7:36 uses the word hyperakmos in reference to a female. In this case, it’s a young woman who’s engaged to be married. Hyperakmos is t***slated as “past her youth” (NASB), past “the flower of her age” (KJV), or “past marriageable age” (CSB). The word literally means “ripe,” a common euphemism in many cultures for describing a woman’s capability for bearing children. Paul’s inclusion of the word definitely indicates that the marriageable age was sometime after puberty, when a woman is fully grown. But Scripture nowhere sets a definitive marriageable age: physical maturity is a must, but when a girl reaches maturity can vary. The 12-year-old in Mark 5:41–42 is still a “little girl” and obviously not ready for marriage.

As with many other issues, the proper age for getting married has a cultural component that the Bible does not specifically override. What constitutes a proper marriage age can vary from culture to culture and still fall within the bounds of scripturally proper conduct. The bottom line is that p********a and child marriages are unacceptable. A person must be fully grown to be married; he or she must be physically mature enough for sexuality and child-bearing. Beyond that, the Bible does not specify a minimum age for marriage.
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Good article

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Sep 20, 2020 20:03:07   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Bebida wrote:
I understand the Law just fine!!
Like HELL it isn't a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD!! Like I said before, all they have to do is say I thought she was 14. She told me she was and that it was OK!! And they can pass her around to all of their P*******E FRIENDS!!! The child can become confused on the stand very easily and can be made to "admit" she did just that!! And the SCUM in that State have BIG BUCKS to get a BIG LAWYER that can do just that!!

If I had a Daughter, and some BSTD put his hands on her and raped her, I would K**L him. And I would go to PRISON!! And I don't care WHAT that State's LAW said. I don't care WHO you THINK you are, IF you have designs on a 14 yr. old, her consent or not,you are a p*******e!! Does that law apply to BOYS too?? IF NOT, it SHOULD!! Maybe then a few people would WAKE UP to what it is!!
I understand the Law just fine!! br Like HELL it i... (show quote)


Go to prison, they would execute you for murder.

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Sep 20, 2020 20:06:05   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You are jumping all over the place here...

And hitting just about every logic fallacy in the books...

14 is old enough to give consent.... If consent is given it is not rape... This is the topic of the thread... Bringing up infants being raped in no way supports your argument...

Have you forgotten the law being discussed???

I doubt being female would aid me in understanding your point of view...


Isn't it admit giving a judge leeway to not kneel a high school student a p*******e? As in one is a year or so ahead of the other in school. Has nothing to do with young Children's or older adults.

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Sep 20, 2020 20:12:51   #
Bebida Loc: Michigan
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You are jumping all over the place here...

And hitting just about every logic fallacy in the books...

14 is old enough to give consent.... If consent is given it is not rape... This is the topic of the thread... Bringing up infants being raped in no way supports your argument...

Have you forgotten the law being discussed???

I doubt being female would aid me in understanding your point of view...


I am done trying to talk to you!!

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Sep 20, 2020 20:16:55   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Isn't it admit giving a judge leeway to not kneel a high school student a p*******e? As in one is a year or so ahead of the other in school. Has nothing to do with young Children's or older adults.


It allows a judge to exercise discretion concerning individuals charged with sex crimes against a minor.... In cases where the judge feels there was no intentional malice displayed...

It doesn't negate a sentence or a criminal record... It just keeps the individual from having their name on a sex offender registry...

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Sep 21, 2020 03:11:03   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Isn't it admit giving a judge leeway to not kneel a high school student a p*******e? As in one is a year or so ahead of the other in school. Has nothing to do with young Children's or older adults.


Sorry Tintop780. I'm well educated, but you lost me there. My time is too valuable (at least to me) to try and puzzle out what you are trying to say.

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Sep 21, 2020 09:42:13   #
Bebida Loc: Michigan
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Sorry Tintop780. I'm well educated, but you lost me there. My time is too valuable (at least to me) to try and puzzle out what you are trying to say.


That was my thinking too, I was too tired to try and think of an answer for him. Yours was perfect!!

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