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Sep 18, 2020 18:17:48   #
Bebida Loc: Michigan
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree 100%...

Except I believe pedos should be put down... Not imprisoned...


THAT, I AGREE WITH 100%!!!

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Sep 18, 2020 20:08:27   #
Iliamna1
 
lindajoy wrote:
What you speak of is “moral conduct” not statutory laws governing legal consent....
Not that I disagree with what you say but the “ laws” do not defend on the bases of moral issues but rather the laws goVerning each state..

Consider please a look at the state laws noting even their variance..

What Is the Age of Consent?

Federal law makes it criminal to engage in a sexual act with another person who is between the age of 12 and 16 if they are at least four years younger than you. Each state takes a different approach as the age of consent has ranged from 10 to 18. Some states, such as California and New York, set an age at which all sexual intercourse is considered statutory rape. For example, a state might set the age of consent at 18. In this hypothetical state, two seventeen-year-olds who had consensual sex could both theoretically be convicted of statutory rape.

What Is Statutory Rape?
Statutory rape occurs when a person over the age of consent engages in sexual intercourse with someone under the statutory age of consent, also known as a minor. In most states, the age of consent has been arbitrarily designated by statute. However, this age of consent varies widely from state to state. Statutory rape is a strict liability crime, meaning that the consent of the younger person or mistake about their age is not a defense.

Other states imply a different method which, like the federal statute, takes into account the relative ages of both people. In these states, such as Texas, the age of consent is determined by age differentials between the two persons and limited by a minimum age. For example, a state might set a minimum age of 14 but limit consent to partners who are within 3 years of their age. This would allow a sixteen-year-old to lawfully have sex with a fourteen-year-old, but make it criminal for an eighteen-year-old to have sex with that same fourteen-year-old.

What Is the Age of Consent?

Federal law makes it criminal to engage in a sexual act with another person who is between the age of 12 and 16 if they are at least four years younger than you. Each state takes a different approach as the age of consent has ranged from 10 to 18. Some states, such as California and New York, set an age at which all sexual intercourse is considered statutory rape. For example, a state might set the age of consent at 18. In this hypothetical state, two seventeen-year-olds who had consensual sex could both theoretically be convicted of statutory rape.

Other states imply a different method which, like the federal statute, takes into account the relative ages of both people. In these states, such as Texas, the age of consent is determined by age differentials between the two persons and limited by a minimum age. For example, a state might set a minimum age of 14 but limit consent to partners who are within 3 years of their age. This would allow a sixteen-year-old to lawfully have sex with a fourteen-year-old, but make it criminal for an eighteen-year-old to have sex with that same fourteen-year-old.


https://www.thesurvivoralliance.com/legal-age-consent-50-states/

https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/statutory-rape-the-age-of-consent.html
What you speak of is “moral conduct” not statutory... (show quote)


The issue I was trying to address, is the high cost, jn physical, emotional, and monetary issues that are left for the parents to clean up. Why don't hey have a legal say in this?

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Sep 18, 2020 21:00:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
The issue I was trying to address, is the high cost, jn physical, emotional, and monetary issues that are left for the parents to clean up. Why don't hey have a legal say in this?


Good point....

But are they legally responsible for the child that results??? I'm not sure how American law works...

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Sep 18, 2020 21:46:15   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
The issue I was trying to address, is the high cost, jn physical, emotional, and monetary issues that are left for the parents to clean up. Why don't hey have a legal say in this?


Parents did and do by the representatives they v**e in and out...

If we disagree with the decisions they make then we should be the ones calling for them to resign or be Oust or recalled right then such as this i***t in Cali.. I won't dignify him by referring to his name.. As parents we should be lined up at his office screaming bloody damn murder over repeal of what he signed in and his resignation! We get what we tolerate and we tolerate way too much!! Band together make our voice be heard, call, write, email .. File a class action lawsuit against he and the state for their egregious acts! Get petitions signed to force his removal etc.. Talk is cheap, action defines...

We do matter, we just need to call these incompetents out more often and when these politicians see we will do so they will then, just to save their own Derrière not be so bold to go against their Constituents in fear of being taken our ..

Somewhere along the line we have forgotten the power of the people and we need to bring that back to reality.

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Sep 18, 2020 22:00:13   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good point....

But are they legally responsible for the child that results??? I'm not sure how American law works...


In reality a parent is held liable for the acts of their child until 18 years old..pregnancy can be handled by a******n, adoption or keeping it to raise.. As for the Psychological, emotional aspect the child impregnated is pretty much left out of that unless astute parents recognize it.. But what about the parent(s) emotional upheaval???How many parents assume the responsibility of the baby and raise it ??? Or go after the “ father” when they can apply for the social service programs offered to help knowing the “ father” has nothing either??

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Sep 18, 2020 22:08:46   #
Iliamna1
 
A 14 yo with anyone is a losing proposition (pun intended).
thank you for your responses.

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Sep 19, 2020 00:21:16   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
A 14 yo with anyone is a losing proposition (pun intendedh).
thank you for your responses.


We agree and I, Thank You, as well. 🌺🌸

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Sep 19, 2020 06:11:42   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
I agree, it just gives judges discretion. Imagine if you're an 18 yr old high school student & the girl is your girlfriend, should be be labeled for the rest of his life or segregated with much older males? It's not much different (as far as discretion) than the 3 strike rule. There are people in jail for life because they stole some minor item valued at less than $25. With the 3 strike rule, judges hangs are tied.


An 18 year old high school student shouldn't be h*****g with a 14 year old minor. Not in my world anyhow. You must be a Democrat.

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Sep 19, 2020 08:53:22   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good point....

But are they legally responsible for the child that results??? I'm not sure how American law works...


I don't know about legal, but perhaps a moral one to support a grand child?

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Sep 19, 2020 08:55:42   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
nonalien1 wrote:
An 18 year old high school student shouldn't be h*****g with a 14 year old minor. Not in my world anyhow. You must be a Democrat.


I agree, but there are cases where senior in high school go out with freshman and sophomore girls. When you say 18 is to old for 14, I think you forget they aren't that far apart.

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Sep 19, 2020 08:58:29   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
A 14 yo with anyone is a losing proposition (pun intended).
thank you for your responses.


Your right, but also consider that allowing a judge leeway after considering all the facts that the young man or woman shouldn't be classified as a sex offender might be the correct decision.

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Sep 19, 2020 10:29:38   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
I agree, but there are cases where senior in high school go out with freshman and sophomore girls. When you say 18 is to old for 14, I think you forget they aren't that far apart.


I've spent over forty years working with kids and teens. I've have known very very few under 16 years who were mature enough to make wise decisions about ANYTHING, but especially as important a decision as engaging in sex. We did not allow them in any situation, alone, until they were 16, plus my wife and I had to agree they were ready, because of what I saw going on socially with teenagers. They, of course, thought it was unfair, but in Texas parents generally have the final say until they turn 18. They were very active socially, but it was always in a supervised group settings. My girls now range in age from the late twenties to the late thirties. By the way, if I had boys, they would have lived under the same restrictions. I have never had a reason to regret my 'heavy handedness' in raising them, and they are now raising their kids in the using the same standards.

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Sep 19, 2020 11:46:33   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I've spent over forty years working with kids and teens. I've have known very very few under 16 years who were mature enough to make wise decisions about ANYTHING, but especially as important a decision as engaging in sex. We did not allow them in any situation, alone, until they were 16, plus my wife and I had to agree they were ready, because of what I saw going on socially with teenagers. They, of course, thought it was unfair, but in Texas parents generally have the final say until they turn 18. They were very active socially, but it was always in a supervised group settings. My girls now range in age from the late twenties to the late thirties. By the way, if I had boys, they would have lived under the same restrictions. I have never had a reason to regret my 'heavy handedness' in raising them, and they are now raising their kids in the using the same standards.
I've spent over forty years working with kids and ... (show quote)


You bring up valid comments..Supervision and discipline... Something sorely missing in todays environment of either having only one parent or two but that are out working just to pay bills.. The family nucleus unintentionally disappears with everybody grabbing something quick to eat as they’re running out the door.

One of the things that I treasure most as an adult now is remembering our special Sunday meal where we were all required to be hone at 3 o’clock in the afternoon for dinner, hair brushed, hands clean, no televisions, no telephone, etc.. We had family discussions most often just catching up with what we have done throughout the week and time for our parents to grill us about homework assignments being done, special projects working on,anything we needed help with etc. I had two older brothers so I didn’t get away with much wasn’t allowed to date till I was 16 either. If my brothers didn’t like whoever I may be socializing with I got told rather quickly as did the boy... LOL LOL good times now though don’t regret any of it..I believe we need to get back to more of that structure in our lives if society is going to sustain.

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Sep 19, 2020 11:59:45   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
You bring up valid comments..Supervision and discipline... Something sorely missing in todays environment of either having only one parent or two but that are out working just to pay bills.. The family nucleus unintentionally disappears with everybody grabbing something quick to eat as they’re running out the door.

One of the things that I treasure most as an adult now is remembering our special Sunday meal where we were all required to be bone at 3 o’clock in the afternoon for dinner, hair brushed hands clean, no televisions, no telephone, etc.. We had family discussions most often just catching up with what we have done throughout the week and time for our parents to grill us about homework assignments being done, special projects working on,anything we needed help with etc. I had two older brothers so I didn’t get away with much wasn’t allowed to date till I was 16 either. If my brothers didn’t like whoever I may be socializing with I got told rather quickly as did the boy... LOL LOL good times now though don’t regret any of it..I believe we need to get back to more of that structure in our lives if society is going to sustain.
You bring up valid comments..Supervision and disci... (show quote)


Thank you. I agree. By the way, i accidently deleted part of my post. I had three girls, who are now wonderful ladies. One is heading overseas as a missionary to deaf people.

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Sep 19, 2020 12:54:33   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Thank you. I agree. By the way, i accidently deleted part of my post. I had three girls, who are now wonderful ladies. One is heading overseas as a missionary to deaf people.


Your Welcome...Three beautiful young ladies, how nice.. God Bless your daughter venturing out for a worthy cause no less.. May she be safe and healthy..✨💫

I have one son, he sustains me.. We lost his Dad too early, 46 yrs old, not long ago.. Does that ever really leave you?? My life he was...

He now tries to be my father at times...Lolol..He is a Nuclear Medicine Technologist specializing in sports medicine now.. He switched from medical imaging for cancer patients as he said it was terrible knowing what was to be for that patient.. Besides he loves the sports..

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