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Sep 15, 2020 10:52:01   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
amadjuster wrote:
I can't use primary either?!
Oh, the agony.


Perfect... Now call someone an oppressor (r****t/ bigot/ N**i/ misogynist/ phibe/ etc) and claim victim hood...

Then wait for the Gofundme dollars to roll in

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Sep 15, 2020 19:46:00   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
According to him there are now q***r rabbis and homosexuality is tolerated by Judaism..

This IS true, in Reform Judaism:

L***Q E******Y

ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION & G****R IDENTITY

As early as 1977, the Central Conference of American Rabbis passed a resolution that called for “legislation which decriminalizes homosexual acts between consenting adults, and prohibits discrimination against them as persons.” They further resolved to “undertake programs in cooperation with the total Jewish community to implement the above stand.”

Similarly, the Union for Reform Judaism passed a resolution in 1977 stating that “homosexual persons are entitled to equal protection under the law” and affirming their opposition to “discriminating against homosexuals in areas of opportunity, including employment and housing.” In the decades following the adoption of these two resolutions, the Union for Reform Judaism and the Central Conference of American Rabbis have passed over a dozen resolutions on this subject, covering a range of issues from same-sex marriage to the inclusion of L***Q Jews in Jewish life. In addition, the Commission on Social Action of Reform Judaism, a joint instrumentality of the Union for Reform Judaism and the Central Conference of American Rabbis, passed a resolution in 2003 on the inclusion and acceptance of the t*********r and bisexual communities and an additional resolution in 2014 on the rights of t*********r and g****r non-conforming individuals.


More here:

https://www.hrc.org/resources/stances-of-faiths-on-l**t-issues-reform-judaism

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Sep 15, 2020 22:17:12   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
tNotMyPrez wrote:
This IS true, in Reform Judaism:

L***Q E******Y

ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION & G****R IDENTITY

As early as 1977, the Central Conference of American Rabbis passed a resolution that called for “legislation which decriminalizes homosexual acts between consenting adults, and prohibits discrimination against them as persons.” They further resolved to “undertake programs in cooperation with the total Jewish community to implement the above stand.”

Similarly, the Union for Reform Judaism passed a resolution in 1977 stating that “homosexual persons are entitled to equal protection under the law” and affirming their opposition to “discriminating against homosexuals in areas of opportunity, including employment and housing.” In the decades following the adoption of these two resolutions, the Union for Reform Judaism and the Central Conference of American Rabbis have passed over a dozen resolutions on this subject, covering a range of issues from same-sex marriage to the inclusion of L***Q Jews in Jewish life. In addition, the Commission on Social Action of Reform Judaism, a joint instrumentality of the Union for Reform Judaism and the Central Conference of American Rabbis, passed a resolution in 2003 on the inclusion and acceptance of the t*********r and bisexual communities and an additional resolution in 2014 on the rights of t*********r and g****r non-conforming individuals.


More here:

https://www.hrc.org/resources/stances-of-faiths-on-l**t-issues-reform-judaism
This IS true, in Reform Judaism: br br i b L***... (show quote)


So a committee just overruled God. Good luck with that.👹👹

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Sep 15, 2020 23:08:41   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
amadjuster wrote:
So a committee just overruled God. Good luck with that.👹👹


God will have the last word!

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Sep 16, 2020 02:39:02   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
amadjuster wrote:
So a committee just overruled God. Good luck with that.👹👹


That memo is really going to bug God...all those changes He has to make...

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Sep 16, 2020 07:03:40   #
Tug484
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Would you say that Jews tend to be more traditional than Christians or other faiths???



You should attend a funeral where half the family is Catholic and half the family has converted to Judaism.
You begin to wonder if there are going to be more funerals.
It's that, if looks could k**l thing that was going on.

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Sep 16, 2020 07:29:42   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
amadjuster wrote:
So a committee just overruled God. Good luck with that.👹👹

Now wait a moment - - you don't get to assign your own definition, and then make a judgment as if your definition is the only one.

You're talking about a group of learn-ed rabbis, accepted by their congregations as being able to speak for Reformed Judaism. Their goal, as stated, is integration of the congregation with a modern outlook in mind.

This is the same kind of difference that we can find in folks who believe in strict interpretation of the Constitution vs folks who believe that the Constitution should be a living document which ought to reflect that times have changed from over 240 years ago.

The committee of rabbis isn't going against their God any more than American citizens who believe that the Constitution changing with the times is going against intentions of the "founding fathers". I believe the Federalist Papers and other historical documentation certainly indicated that the founding fathers expected the Constitution to survive by the very nature of its inherent fluidity.

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Sep 16, 2020 07:42:51   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
Tug484 wrote:
You should attend a funeral where half the family is Catholic and half the family has converted to Judaism.
You begin to wonder if there are going to be more funerals.
It's that, if looks could k**l thing that was going on.

Is there a difference between the way you put it and the other way around ???

IOW, if half the family is Jewish and the other half "converted" to Catholicism ???

What about families that are half Catholic and half Jewish, and no one "converted" ???

I'm just not clear on why you phrased your hypothetical the way you did, and...

...the "style" of burial is often times different, although it is sometimes the same, but both religions do participate in funerals, so I'm trying to understand your point.

I should add that I've been there, done that, and have not experienced that of which you speak.

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Sep 16, 2020 07:55:30   #
Tug484
 
tNotMyPrez wrote:
Is there a difference between the way you put it and the other way around ???

IOW, if half the family is Jewish and the other half "converted" to Catholicism ???

What about families that are half Catholic and half Jewish, and no one "converted" ???

I'm just not clear on why you phrased your hypothetical the way you did, and...

...the "style" of burial is often times different, although it is sometimes the same, but both religions do participate in funerals, so I'm trying to understand your point.

I should add that I've been there, done that, and have not experienced that of which you speak.
Is there a difference between the way you put it a... (show quote)



This woman had been a member of the Church of England.
She came to America and became Catholic.
She had one daughter that changed her religion to Judaism. Her kids changed theirs with her.
That's why part of the dead ladies family was Catholic and the one daughter and her family were converted to Jewish religion.
I was asked to get a Scottish bag Piper to play at her funeral.
It was a rather odd funeral with the Catholic side and the Jewish side mad at each other.
I don't even know why you're trying to reverse it.
It's simple.
Catholic daughter converts to Judaism.
Nothing more nothing less.

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Sep 16, 2020 08:26:15   #
tNotMyPrez Loc: So. CA, USA
 
Tug484 wrote:
This woman had been a member of the Church of England.
She came to America and became Catholic.
She had one daughter that changed her religion to Judaism. Her kids changed theirs with her.
That's why part of the dead ladies family was Catholic and the one daughter and her family were converted to Jewish religion.
I was asked to get a Scottish bag Piper to play at her funeral.
It was a rather odd funeral with the Catholic side and the Jewish side mad at each other.
I don't even know why you're trying to reverse it.
It's simple.
Catholic daughter converts to Judaism.
Nothing more nothing less.
This woman had been a member of the Church of Engl... (show quote)

I'm not trying to reverse anything. I was simply trying to understand what you said in some kind of context. And what you said did not indicate that you were talking about one particular experience of yours. Thank you for clarifying.

That said, it's unfortunate that the two sides were mad at each other - - were they mad at each other for the type of funeral, the type of service, or for some other more deep-seated reason - - what purpose did anger serve ???

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Sep 16, 2020 09:32:42   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
tNotMyPrez wrote:
Now wait a moment - - you don't get to assign your own definition, and then make a judgment as if your definition is the only one.

You're talking about a group of learn-ed rabbis, accepted by their congregations as being able to speak for Reformed Judaism. Their goal, as stated, is integration of the congregation with a modern outlook in mind.

This is the same kind of difference that we can find in folks who believe in strict interpretation of the Constitution vs folks who believe that the Constitution should be a living document which ought to reflect that times have changed from over 240 years ago.

The committee of rabbis isn't going against their God any more than American citizens who believe that the Constitution changing with the times is going against intentions of the "founding fathers". I believe the Federalist Papers and other historical documentation certainly indicated that the founding fathers expected the Constitution to survive by the very nature of its inherent fluidity.
Now wait a moment - - you don't get to assign your... (show quote)


I don’t care how you want to rationalize this. If there is one God and He is sovereign, what learned rabbis do is
not “kosher”.

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Sep 16, 2020 09:35:17   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
tNotMyPrez wrote:
Now wait a moment - - you don't get to assign your own definition, and then make a judgment as if your definition is the only one.

You're talking about a group of learn-ed rabbis, accepted by their congregations as being able to speak for Reformed Judaism. Their goal, as stated, is integration of the congregation with a modern outlook in mind.

This is the same kind of difference that we can find in folks who believe in strict interpretation of the Constitution vs folks who believe that the Constitution should be a living document which ought to reflect that times have changed from over 240 years ago.

The committee of rabbis isn't going against their God any more than American citizens who believe that the Constitution changing with the times is going against intentions of the "founding fathers". I believe the Federalist Papers and other historical documentation certainly indicated that the founding fathers expected the Constitution to survive by the very nature of its inherent fluidity.
Now wait a moment - - you don't get to assign your... (show quote)

God’s word has not changed, neither has the constitution.
Both are still exactly what the creator/writer wanted to say.
Neither one will ever change for the “better”!
Live with it, die without it!

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Sep 16, 2020 09:54:52   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
God’s word has not changed, neither has the constitution.
Both are still exactly what the creator/writer wanted to say.
Neither one will ever change for the “better”!
Live with it, die without it!


Yea, but liberal folks want to twist it to their will.

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Sep 16, 2020 10:01:31   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
amadjuster wrote:
Yea, but liberal folks want to twist it to their will.


God wrote Romans 13, Romans 13 shaped our constitution.
I’d be wary of disrespecting either.

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Sep 16, 2020 10:02:59   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
God wrote Romans 13, Romans 13 shaped our constitution.
I’d be wary of disrespecting either.



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