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Sep 12, 2020 14:40:38   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Abbie Hoffman wrote:
Which came first, the arson or the badly managed forest? Sounds like the cop wants SOMEONE blamed for the fires, but won't look at how some conservative policies added to the danger and loss. Why won't conservatives put anything on the shoulders of PG&E. Are they getting kickbacks?


No clue, I'm in another part of the country but it does sound like mismanagement, same as the blackouts.

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Sep 12, 2020 14:41:12   #
JunieMae.
 
The fires continue raging NOT related to g****l w*****g, but because the Environmentalists and Liberals won't let preventative measures to be taken; such as: controlled burning of the fallen leaves and underbrush as well as removing dead trees. Controlled burning and clean-up is something land owners have done for years and it keeps fire from gaining ground. California is too "smart and environmentally crazy" to do this--they haven't tried or won't try it to see if it works...which it does and has forever.

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Sep 12, 2020 14:46:01   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Abbie Hoffman wrote:
Which came first, the arson or the badly managed forest? Sounds like the cop wants SOMEONE blamed for the fires, but won't look at how some conservative policies added to the danger and loss. Why won't conservatives put anything on the shoulders of PG&E. Are they getting kickbacks?


Your meme Abbie, why would we go fight a fire with no training? To me that's a lot like suicide, so don't hold your breath. hm is who getting kickbacks? PG&E? You may have hit on something. Follow the money there, I'll bet anything Pelosi and Newsome are at the top of their board.

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Sep 12, 2020 14:58:00   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
EmilyD wrote:
Well then, I guess according to your "logic", the GOP is responsible for all the fires in California, and apparently, everywhere else on the planet.

By the way....how is it that they control the lack of rain? According to your second paragraph in your original post: ".....the lack of rain k**ls the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse."

Might that reason be a lack of rain every year?
Well then, I guess according to your "logic&q... (show quote)


Want a wacko conspiracy theory about lack of rain? I even saw a picture. Supposedly (Btw, I don't believe any of this, it's just fun to think about) before a rain we have thunder and lightning. Okay, now in a cave they have now this is wacky, a microwave cannon that disperses the clouds. so a spark and you now have a raging fire with no rain to douse it. Conspiracy theories can be fun just don't buy into them. Oh this is the cia's bit.

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Sep 12, 2020 15:06:38   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
straightUp wrote:
Based on what? So far, no one has answered with anything but baseless insults like yours and a handful of really lame arguments (if you can even call them that).

I know I'm taking an extreme tact on this thread, but that's a message in itself. For years I have been logging into this site and disputing right-wing bulls**t with logic and evidence, issue by issue and after all that, I've come to the realization that the closed minds on the right will never accept any evidence or logic if it conflicts with their i***t politics.

So, this time, I'm going straight to the sum total of Republican failure to emphasize its severity in simple terms that I hope they can understand. I'm using the wildfires as the example in this case only because it's the easiest to explain and the responses I've received so far is exactly what I had anticipated.

(Sheep are very predictable).
Based on what? So far, no one has answered with an... (show quote)


No one's answered? You haven't read my post. And g****l w*****g which is a sham, they even changed the name to c*****e c****e which is cyclical and happens, but there is nothing we can or will do about it. Look at China before you start pointing fingers at the GOP next time sparky. They wear masks because you cannot breathe there lol can't breathe with the mask either.

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Sep 12, 2020 15:11:53   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain k**ls the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... G****l W*****g.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people v**ed big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning f****l f**ls without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about g****l w*****g and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, k*****g people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... e******n after e******n.

And that goes for ALL people who have v**ed Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)


" but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse. "

How long do your records go back ???????? Do they go back thousands of years ? I did not think so. Recorded weather history is very short. Not long enough to make determinations about droughts and Carbon emissions and man made g****l w*****g.

Were there no droughts such as these 500 years ago or a 1,000 years ago ?

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Sep 12, 2020 15:13:01   #
EmilyD
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Want a wacko conspiracy theory about lack of rain? I even saw a picture. Supposedly (Btw, I don't believe any of this, it's just fun to think about) before a rain we have thunder and lightning. Okay, now in a cave they have now this is wacky, a microwave cannon that disperses the clouds. so a spark and you now have a raging fire with no rain to douse it. Conspiracy theories can be fun just don't buy into them. Oh this is the cia's bit.


HA! That's quite a theory! Imagine conjuring up such an elaborate tale, when all they have to do is drop a match or two in some dry bush somewhere!

I like their conspiracy theory that it's the Republicans causing the fires and controlling the rainfall in California. That one is the funniest one yet!!

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Sep 12, 2020 15:15:32   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
straightUp wrote:
That's actually not true. He wasn't caught starting the fire. He was caught filming the fire and he was arrested on suspicion of starting the fire. A suspicion based on the fact that the police saw him earlier walking along the highway BEFORE the fire started. He said he was looking for his camera which he lost the previous day while riding his dirt bike. Who knows? Maybe he did start the fire and maybe he didn't. One thing is certain... they didn't catch him in the act.

From what I can tell this guy isn't super bright. His conversation style seems a bit juvenile for a 36 year old. He was apparently arrested at the Ferguson protest for having a gun in his backpack that he says he forgot was there. From what I can tell in the video he shot at the time, the police were far more concerned about the legal status of his guns than they were about the fire.

He also appears to be a video blogger, so there's reason to suspect he isn't as much a protester as much as a guy that goes to demonstrations for video content. His protest videos clearly show him on the sidelines filming, not marching with the protesters. Yes, he posted on facebook that he supports B*M but not the l**ters, but lots of people support B*M - that doesn't make them all protesters.

So, if you're attempting to back up the claim that protesters are starting these fires, I'm going to call that a really long stretch. First of all, the fire was small and it was extinguished while the guy was still being questioned by the police on the side of the road. Secondly, he wasn't caught setting the fire and finally this feeble "evidence" is all you got.
That's actually not true. He wasn't caught startin... (show quote)


You call them protestors (protesting what?), I call them mutts, but we both don't think a****a or b*m are starting the fires. I have my suspicions and after the e******n, the fires should die down not because there is no more fodder to burn, there always is. I think the culprit will be caught.

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Sep 12, 2020 15:22:05   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
[quote=Blade_Runner]For decades, climate alarmists have been warning that, without a United Nations-run global “climate” regime to control human activity, alleged man-made “c*****e c****e” will bring the wrath of “Mother Earth” down upon humanity.

They did it again from November 30 to December 11, 2015 at the Paris Summit on C*****e C****e, and warned, yet again, that it is the “last chance” to save humanity from itself. But climate alarmists have a long history of forecasting disaster — and of being wrong about everything.

In fact, stretching back decades, virtually every alarmist prediction that was testable has been proven embarrassingly wrong. What follows is just a tiny sampling of those discredited claims.

A new ice age and worldwide starvation:

G****l w*****g — temperature predictions:
Perhaps nowhere has the stunning failure of climate predictions been better illustrated than in the “climate models” used by the UN. The UN climate bureaucracy, known as the Intergovernmental Panel on C*****e C****e (IPCC), produces periodic reports on “climate science” — often dubbed the “Bible” of climatology. In its latest iteration, the Fifth Assessment Report (AR5), the UN featured 73 computer models and their predictions. All of them “predicted” varying degrees of increased warming as atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) increased.

The problem is that every single model was wrong — by a lot. Not only did temperatures not rise by as much as the models predicted, they have failed to rise at all since around 1996, according to data collected by five official temperature data­sets. Based just on the laws of probability, a monkey rolling the dice would have done far better at predicting future temperatures than the UN’s models. That suggests deliberate fraud is likely at work.


Climate Alarmists Admit They Want to Dismantle Our Free-Enterprise System

Climate Alarmists: Only ‘Ecological Leninism’ Can Stop G****l W*****g
Prominent Swedish progressive Andreas Malm has urged using the full coercive power of the state to curb f****l f**l emissions, modeling the response on global c****av***s lockdowns.[/

The UN I'm out, my stomach can take just so much before it hurls. Something the UN will NEVER tell you about EARSCHPLITTENLOUDENBOOMER a program much like the lockdowns, but you'll hear sirens and go mad.

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Sep 12, 2020 15:52:17   #
DaWg44
 
straightUp wrote:
Not much of a counter argument. Probably because you HAVE no counter argument. If you have a history of v****g Republican Carol, you ARE responsible for the loss of those lives. The families, dogs, cats, horses, they died because of you. Of course it would take a bigger person to own up to this. Not something you see among Republicans, so your response really isn't surprising.


In the 60s-70s the concern was g****l c*****g. I know because I lived through that time. CA has been warned by every kind of expert about deadfall since it restricted burning or clearing & grinding.

Last week everyone was having fits about power blackouts. The people of CA put themselves in this position. If the large cities did not waste so much water, you could get by. If you spent 1/2 of the money you spend on fad liberal/l*****t flavors of the month, you could have Israeli water technology & no problems.

I worked in power plants for years, converted coal fired boilers to wood dust, gas, & spent 2 years on clean coal modifications, before working in nuclear plants. I don’t like oil prices being high because I have a lot of heavy equipment.

Where all of you lose my interest is when you harp on CO2. You can get increased plant growth in greenhouses by injecting CO2. It is the life blood of green plants. Had you not stopped clearing deadfall, you would have had more green plants.

NOAA, just as infected w/ liberal/ l*****ts as any of the alphabet soup agencies, has had to rescind many of their predictions. The Maldives are alive & well, tripled population, have 4-5 times more jets coming & going. They were supposed to be underwater by 1984 & they are still collecting millions to help prepare for flooding, none of which is being used for that.

If you want to learn instead of just spew liberal lies, read Ecology by Eugene P. Odum. I had the opportunity to take his courses in the 60’s.

Finally if you h**e f****l f**ls so much, throw out everything in your house made by their existence.

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Sep 12, 2020 15:58:24   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
DaWg44 wrote:
Finally if you h**e f****l f**ls so much, throw out everything in your house made by their existence.


These are the folks that want everyone else to do without , But not them !

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Sep 12, 2020 16:19:12   #
Larry Joe
 
straightUp wrote:
Apparently not according to Trump who sent federal goons to Portland without any request from Oregon. Did you forget that? LOL

Also, the federal lands on which most of the fires are burning are managed by the federal government not the state. Saying the states have to ask for help with federal land management is like me telling you that you have to ask me to drive my own car.

Also, you missed my point about severity of fires vs number of fires. The number of fires hasn't actually increased, the severity has and as I have said the spark has no influence on the severity of the fire, the fuel does. I know science is hard for you guys but it would be nice if you at least tried. Anyway, trying to push the blame on arsonists for the severity of these fires is absurd.

Trying to blame it on mismanaged forests, considering how much of it was under Trump's scope of responsibility is a backfire that would embarrass any Republican with the brains to figure it out.
Apparently not according to Trump who sent federal... (show quote)


O.K, so you h**e Trump. We get that. There always been, and always will be, c*****e c****e long after mankind is gone. The Sun controls 90% of climate. Every living thing on this earth contributes the other 10%, and no one knows how much is caused by man. To blame the fires out west on Trump and Republicans is truly asinine. To discuss c*****e c****e and it’s effect on mankind is an excellent discussion issue, but not one based on blind hatred of an individual, one group of people or one nation.
Larry Joe - Conservative Republican, a Trump v**er, AND an environmentalist.

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Sep 12, 2020 17:03:08   #
Tug484
 
straightUp wrote:
Of course there are many causes that spark the fires raging across the western states and we really can't track them down to one cause. But there's more to starting a fire than a spark. You need three things... heat (such as a spark) oxygen and fuel.

It's the fuel that makes these fires so much worse now than they used to be. There's more of it. Why? because of increased drought conditions... the lack of rain k**ls the vegetation and dries the biomass into fuel for fire. Of course droughts have always been a problem in the western states and so have fires, but for some reason the current drought which started in 2012, has been more severe and prolonged than any previous drought on record and with it comes a series of record-breaking fires with every year getting worse.

Scientists at NOAA are saying this drought would have been bad anyway but not nearly as bad as it is due to... yup, I'm going to say it... G****l W*****g.

I can remember reading the studies as far back as 1978 that predicted these conditions... if we don't curb our emissions, because of the greenhouse effect. Then I watched that concern turn into a political battle with Democrats asking for the concern to be addressed and Republicans downplaying the studies and denying the science upon which they were based. Obviously, the Republicans were protecting the oil business which didn't want to sacrifice any part of their profit for a cleaner environment.

The Republican people v**ed big oil tycoons to the White House and sent their loved ones to fight wars to advance oil profits. Republicans have always been on the side of burning f****l f**ls without any concern for the consequences.

42 years after I first read about g****l w*****g and it's potential outcomes, I am witnessing exactly what they predicted. We did NOT curb our emissions. The Republicans got in the way. Everytime we tried, the Republicans would reverse our efforts. I watched it happen... for 40 years!

So when I see those fires raging, blotting out the sky, destroying forests and structures, k*****g people and animals alike, I blame the Republicans. I don't accept ignorance on this one. There is no lack of information on this. After 40 years, if people STILL don't get it, it's because they choose not to. Therefore the lives lost in the fires was by choice. The choice made by Republicans... e******n after e******n.

And that goes for ALL people who have v**ed Republican over the last 40 years. Even those of you reading this. Yes, I am telling these Republicans with the utmost clarity... YOU are to blame for the fires and all the lives these fires will claim. 100%!
Of course there are many causes that spark the fir... (show quote)



There are too many fires in California because their government won't let the people do controlled burns.

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Sep 12, 2020 18:51:41   #
teabag09
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
The only lame arguments I have read are yours. You blame Republicans for a drought which started in the middle of the Obama Administration. You blame Republicans for California's refusal to practice sound forestry management; allowing ignorant, politically motivated activists to prevent clearing of the undergrowth that fuels these fires, and then in typical pass-the-buck Liberal fashion, you blame Republicans who have had no control over California lawmaking for at least twenty years.Republican controlled states don't have California's problems. Every lost life and every bit of property damage, as I said, rests on the brainless heads of Liberals who listen to i***ts instead of professionals.
You made one accurate statement...."Sheep are predictable." They certainly are, especially the Liberal variety who have never taken responsibility for any mess they ever caused.
The only lame arguments I have read are yours. You... (show quote)


Smedley, what I find astounding is that Cali has been having this fire problem over and over for years and still they do nothing to fix the problem. Fortunately Mother Nature in a way is fixing it for them. Pretty soon there'll be nothing left to burn but then if they get a good rain storm the whole state will slid into the Pacific because the land has been denuded. Mike

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Sep 12, 2020 18:54:44   #
Kitten Courageous Loc: The Derelict Ship Maggie's Revenge
 
Crayons wrote:
Several chemical plant events were determined to be acts of sabotage...we don't broadcast it, we just increase security


Is *sabotage* related in any way to *insurance fraud?*

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