Patty

Slowly, with no hype and no spin, the Russian military are starting to deliver the goods. Here, courtesy of the Vineyard of The Saker blog, is their key presentation so far. As The Saker put it, Russia had – and has – a “20/20 radar vision”, or full spectrum surveillance, on everything going on in Ukraine. And so, arguably, does NATO. What the Russian Ministry of Defense is saying is as important as the clues it is laying out for experts to follow.

The damaged MH17 starboard jet engine suggests a shape charge from an air-to-air missile – and not a Buk; that’s consistent with the Russian Ministry of Defense presentation graphically highlighting an Ukrainian SU-25 shadowing MH17. Increasingly, the Buk scenario – hysterically peddled by the Empire of Chaos – is being discarded. Not to mention, again, that not a single eyewitness saw the very graphic, thick missile trace that would have been clearly visible had a Buk been used.

Way beyond the established fact of a Ukrainian SU-25 trailing MH17, plenty of unanswered questions remain, some involving a murky security procedure at Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport – where security is operated by ICTS, an Israeli company based in The Netherlands and founded by former officers from the Israeli Shin Bet intel agency. And then there is the unexplained presence of “foreign” advisors in Kiev’s control tower.

As much as Bashar al-Assad in Syria had absolutely no motive to “gas his own people” – as the hysterical narrative went at the time – the Eastern Ukraine federalists have no motive to down a civilian airliner. And as much as Washington doesn’t give a damn about the current civilian slaughter in Gaza, it doesn’t give a damn about the MH17 civilian deaths; the one and only obsession is to force Europeans to sanction Russia to death. T***slation: break up Europe-Russia commercial and geopolitical integration.

One week before the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Institute of Strategic Studies was already sounding the alarm concerning the Empire of Chaos’s “policy” and its refusal to “adhere to the principles and norms of international law and the rules and spirit of the existing system of international relations”.

Moscow, in building its case on the MH17 tragedy, will bide its time to debunk Kiev’s claims and maximize its own credibility. The game now moves to the black boxes and the cockpit voice recorder. Still Ukraine will remain the do or die battlefield – a chessboard drenched in blood.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-mh17-tragedy-and-the-u-s-empire-of-chaos-a-chessboard-drenched-in-blood/5393338

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

So now the Russian damage control is peddling an elaborate false f**g conspiracy story line involving an Israeli intel part at the Netherlands airport and "foreign advisers" (U.S.) in the Kiev airport control tower. It's all a plot of the "Empire of Chaos." And all this shows the "credibility" of Russia's story iine??!!! What an incredible story line! Wow! Goes right along with the other incredible conspiracy lines the Putin propaganda operation on OPP peddles in economics and deomestic politics. Patty and collaborators think a lot of people are gullible enough to swallow these conspiracy fantasies??

Patty

You know what I think is funny. When you jump on the bandwagon of some lame ass liberal trying to bash me even they run away and don't respond. The liberals know you are the stupidest person on here and your debating sk**ls are such that they don't want you having their back. Kind of like Obama asking the dem campaigners now if they want him to indorse them. They scatter like spooked sheep.
Bawawahahaaaaaa

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

What is funny is your same bash responses...capable of repeating and quoting NovoRussia f*****m propaganda from Putin's internet propaganda sites but, when it comes to discussion or debating, all Patty is capable of is crying out "it's true, it's fact, and anyone who questions the quotes is stupid." So, who is stupid and can't debate now, Patty?

Patty

My debates with you are all one sided because you don't understand the concept and aren't smart enough to research anything to arm yourself. That is why people run from you when you try to take their side here.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

[quote=Patty]My debates with you are all one sided because you don't understand the concept and aren't smart enough to research anything to arm yourself. That is why people run from you when you try to take their side here.

You call your bash responses a one-sided "debate"? It's you who have no understanding of the concept of debate or discussion.

Haven't you noticed that the only threads of yours that have much response on OPP are ones where I respond? You used to thank me for upping your numbers. ha. Perhaps you mistake the fact that the reasonable side on OPP doesn't operate as a gang like the vigilante club or your Putin propaganda operatives as indicating people "run" from association with me. I think for myself and don't quote opinion sources to back up my statements. Whenever you make your statements it's clear you simply quote or echo and do not think for yourself. You are simply OPP's class act minus the cl.

Patty

You have never offered any facts to ever support your position on any issue and that is why you are considered the forum i***t even by the liberals here. You seem to have no self respect or dignity. [quote=jonhatfield]

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

All you do is quote twists and slants from Putin's NovoRussia f*****m's internet propaganda sites. When I point that basic fact--that your quotes (all you do is post quotes and then insult anyone who questions them) are from propaganda sources and thus twisted and biased--you call me the forum i***t instead of showing that in spite of the biased source, the info is nevertheless true and unslanted and applies. Then the discussion can go forward regarding the merits of the subject rather than personalities. You seem to think that no one has a right to question your source's reliability or your own intentions.

Patty

Repeating that you have nothing proves nothing. It just makes you look stupid to other people. You're welcome.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

To return to the topic, "Show me the missle," would you like to explain the AP report of the AP reporters and townspeople in Eastern Ukraine who saw the separatists' BUK missle launcer convoy a few hours before the shoot down? Kind of shows you have been 100% wrong in your postings of Russian f*****m's denials and fabricated conspiracy story lines. Are you going to admit you were wrong? I'm betting a penny donation to Scott Walker's re-e******n campaign that you will admit the misssle has been seen and you were wrong--that's how confident I am that you won't ever admit the separatists did it. ha.

Patty

Provide a link since I have posted several dozen disputing that. Arent you embarrassed to continuously post nonsense and cant even provide anything at all to back up your crap? Not even a liberal rag can you offer. You are worthless.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Patty has NOT posted anything about the AP sighting eyewitnessES report. It was just posted. Patty won't explain or admit the sighting even though she knows about it. Moreover, I bet Patty won't dispute this report but will ignore it and hope no one sees it so the Russian version of events she's peddling on OPP won't be discredited. I posted the challenge to explain the sighting just to see what non-response would come forth. Lo and behold, the response was about my stupidity...surprise, surprise.

Visitors to this site can find the referred to AP reporter crew's day-of-the-event sighting of the missile launcher in thug Ukrainian-Russian terrorists' possession and further details of local residents' sighting posted by Jack2014 on the OPP site "Putin and Obama Speak..." That site can be accessed by clicking on "Patty"...then. on Patty's page, clicking on "list" by the near 800 topics Patty has posted the past 4 months...then clicking on page 2 where the topic is listed. There are 30 some pages of responses on this Putin & Obama Speak site and the AP missle sighting post is on one of today's pages.

Jack2014's updates on Ukraine situation contradicting Patty's NovoRussia f*****m's propaganda quotations are from a wide range of reliable news sources and very helpful in following the situation for anyone with limited time to research developments.

Patty

So what you are saying is you have nothing. I see. That's what I thought.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Patty's nothing response. That's what Patty thought.

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