Blacksheep

No Christian will argue that Islam isn't crap. In fact pretty much anyone and everyone with any sense and who isn't a Muslim will agree that Islam is a vicious blood and death cult that fits the description of a Satanic cult perfectly. Muslims like sex with little girls and little boys, and goats when nothing else is available.

A lot of Protestants will agree that Catholicism is crap, that it's mostly a bunch of child molesting priests who've been protecting each other for centuries by hiding and moving their priests around when they get in trouble for raping children. The Catholic Church is a haven for homosexual p*******es. Protestants believe just as blindly as Muslims and Catholics that only they have God's favor, that they actually live forever and will leave their bodies to be in some paradise. Same as Muslims do. Is that not crap? Yah, dot ist dreckel.

The Mormon faith is crap. Mormons actually believe that American Indians are lost tribes of Jews, and they do still believe in polygamy no matter how much they publicly deny it for the sake of social appearances.

Jehovah's Witnesses is crap. Their whole thing is all about the right name for God as determined by them and they built an entire religion around that, and come beating repeatedly on your door wanting to intrude into your life and harangue you into believing that they have a hammerlock on the t***h. Crap.

7th Day Adventists - all about Saturday being the correct day to worship instead of Sunday. Another whole religion built around a point of zero importance. Crap.

Judaism. God's chosen people. Crap. They came back from Mesopotamian captivity carrying the Meso one-god religion and went it one better by claiming that this god loved them best. No wonder they pissed off all the other Semitic tribes and no wonder those Arabs jumped all over Islam, that says God h**es Jews.

Every time some religion starts up, some asshole or group of assholes steps up and takes over with claims of being god's spokespersons. Then they compile The Sacred Texts, wh**ever they are, get people to follow them, then use those people to enforce their new Holy Rules.

Then when the religion gets big enough, the followers go to war against the followers of other religions.

You don't think that's crap?

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

Hey B****sheep!

I'm quite surprised to read this from you. While there is a ring of t***h in what you wrote, don't you think it may be too broad a brush to paint with?

You know that all religion is manmade and has it's limits of perfection. There's none available that will ever be perfect and if that is the criteria, then I guess you are right.

It is ironic how each one proclaims they are the only true one and the only path to the divine.

I think you point out some fairly good limitations of different beliefs but I hope you continue to explore seeking t***h anyway. You seem like a good spirit to me.

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Your entire message is crap, you're not a very adequate writer are you?


"We discover in the gospels a groundwork of vulgar ignorance, of things impossible, of fanaticism and fabrication." Thomas Jefferson

RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

Oh yes, I remember your for crap quote on Jefferson before Ray Charles. I countered with Einstein's quote, blah, blah, blah. You still think you're the sharpest knife in the drawer huh? Good luck with that. Is that you on one of those donor cycles bright light?

Just sayin'...

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RockKnutne Loc: Valhöll

All religion is fecal fallacy, interesting hypothesis. Why not cut to the chase and say all of mankind is guilty as charged and, you'd be closer to the t***h.

No crap...

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lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Of course it's crap, it was made by humans. Humanities biggest flaw is the "God" complex. When all is said and done, we think WE are Gods and can do as we please, thus, we create religions that say so. Practicing a religion is no different than being on a team, of some sort. OUR team is A#1 and yours is crap. It doesn't matter if it is a religion, a ball team or a political party, we mold it to suit our own arrogance, then downplay and demonize every other team.

Since the beginning of time, humans have sought all kinds of ways to band together, as there is strength in numbers. Inevitably, there are those who seek to use these associations to gather power over others. Whether it's commanding outrageous salaries as a ball player, becoming supreme pontiff, getting high elected office or being bridge club president, we all want to be #1 and tell others what to do.

We have had 1000's of politicians over 100's of years, who have exhibited outrageous behavior, should we abandon our political system because of that? Or do we try to overcome the inherent problems with such a system? The same is true of religions, it is in our nature to try to make OURS the only, best and true way. It is also in our nature to abuse, use and otherwise adulterate such things. We have to take the bad with the good and try to make the good preeminent in our affairs.

Blacksheep

I guess that's why Jefferson grew up to be a statesman and I didn't, but then he was speaking to a higher level of intelligence when he said that. :shock:

Blacksheep

"We have to take the bad with the good and try to make the good preeminent in our affairs." Sorry but Mother Teresa is dead along with Mahatma Gandhi. No, we DON'T have to, and I don't know anyone other than the Israelis today who are trying to.

Otherwise, no argument.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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I can see your frustrations, but that's a rather broad brush your using, Baa-Baa. But, still, your expressions are the very basis for the US not having a state religion. It's also the basis for the allowance of people to believe and worship as they please, as long as there is no sacrificing of people or animals in the service.

Let me ask you, given your feelings that religion is crap, what are your thoughts on the comments by the political right that one of the problems in our country is because God (prayer) has been removed from our schools?

When I lived in Virginia, for a couple of years, as a youth, my elementary school had a preacher come into the classrooms, one day every week, and hold "Bible class." The preacher was either Baptist or Church of Christ and he'd read a story from the Bible, then ask us students questions about what the story was saying to us. If we gave the wrong answer, we were chastised.

At the time, my family attended a Presbyterian church. We went to Sunday school and church; and, often times, we'd have studied the same story in Sunday School. As such, often times my answer to the Baptist or CoC preachers weren't what THEY believed and wanted me to give back to them, hence the chastisement. Ever since, I've thought that "school" is the place to get an education on the 3-R's; and church/Sunday School and the home was where we were to be taught religion.

Blacksheep

I thought I was being more plainspoken and blunt than that.

The criteria is reality. All religions are phantasies. Many are based on dreams. Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Mormonism.... all have dreams as integral parts.

Belief is not reality. Belief is what we create to explain what we don't understand. Science seldom affirms belief, generally it dispels it.

Some people on OPP respond to my remarks such as those by telling me that "the Bible is filled with God's words" instead of having one intelligent, non-dev**ee word to say. Such willing ens***ement to blue sky bulls**t baffles me. Religions do so very much harm, they ens***e people --- look at the poor Muslims, and devout Christians aren't far behind.

We need another 100,000 years of evolution, at least, and I doubt our ability to survive that long.

Blacksheep

Religion almost never intruded on my public school education, fortunately. I had enough of it taught me at home to appreciate the incredible hypocrisy of so-called Christians. The bottom line for all of us is that we all put our self interests first and we'll do work-arounds of our religions whenever they get in our way.

Since the primary goal of the largest 2 religions is to go to Heaven/Paradise, it seems to me that after we're dead is the very best time to learn religion, and not clutter up life with all that crap. :P

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

I admit you're right. I have a habit or a rule to think of the matter the way I did to keep from becoming pessimistic or depressed over it. There is so much potential for bad and so much potential for good. When its good, stuff like peaceful mutual respect and admiration for what is exotic and different gets out of hand in a frenzied obsession like young love and marriage on a wedding night. When it's bad, that same stuff sours to mutual disrespect and annihilation like the love that ends in divorce as though it had never existed, driving the older couple to wish the worst on each other.

It seems as though there is a cycle of this with religions and nations and political parties, unifying many in a frenzied brotherhood and then after awhile, there are factions that focus on differences seeking to annihilate each other. I have the hope that it is a cycle and that everyone can figure out what you have figured before it comes to total destruction.

There are some historical examples of limited success that gives a case for hope.

Judaism unified a minority monotheist group and when they got popular enough, they persecuted and annihilated polytheists Amalekites, Midianites and Canaanites. The small polytheistic city state of Rome was surrounded by invading tribes and they unified territories with promises of protections and grew to eventually persecute and destroy the monotheist Jews. The Romans unified a state run polytheistic social class system with a state monotheistic religion of Christianity to appease the lower class s***es telling them that spiritually, they were equal. The Romans persecuted and absorbed polytheists in the name of religion. After a while religion being too strong, the protestant reformation broke up the Roman empire and for the most part, the people have survived with mutual respect not to annihilate each other over religious differences. The scattered Jews had a renaissance of needing a national identity two millennia of minority status in other countries and after almost being annihilated from WWII, their Z*****t faction became popular. One of the first things they did after getting their land was to expel Muslims. Judaism has many factions besides Z*****ts. Although they hold the power and influence presently, there are some Jews that want to live with Muslims to the point of a secular democracy sharing the land and naming it Palestine. They are a minority but they use religion as the means to justify the movement, stating that true Judaism is to make amends to injustices to the people that were living there.

So, while it is true that a lot of bad comes from religion, a lot of good can come out of it too.

I don't foresee time from evolution going away from spiritual matters in religions of some sorts but cycling between good and bad influences on humanity.

rumitoid

Religion, philosophy, worldview: all thought systems that require varying degrees of faith and established values. To say religion is crap is to say any systematized belief or value system is crap. Ridiculous. Or maybe not.

There are those that see religiosity as a phase in a process, whether a necessary phase or not is in question. But we can see that many who had early religious training later transcended (digressed, took a wrong turn) to markedly non-religious views.

Religion is, it appears, a trait of mind, based on certain psychological needs (met or unmet) or impairments. It is essentially neutral, the spin what our temperament and past give it.

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

no,Jesus will return,that's a fact.

Blacksheep

Prove it.