This should keep the right wing sleepless for days: It seems that 2 Republican judges have given one more flicker of hope to those who wish to see national health care fail. Opposing...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

It seems that 2 Republican judges have given one more flicker of hope to those who wish to see national health care fail.

Opposing findings by differing courts will send this to a final decision before the Supreme Court of the United States.

Washington (CNN) -- It was a tale of two rulings -- the best of times and the worst of times for Obamacare in the federal appeals courts.

First, two Republicans on a three-judge panel of the D.C. Circuit court of appeals ruled against a key component of the law -- the federal subsidies for millions of people who signed up for health coverage.

The 2-1 decision on Tuesday created a legal path for a possible Supreme Court case that could essentially gut the 2010 Affordable Care Act, which passed with zero Republican v**es.

A few hours later, all three judges on a 4th Circuit panel in Virginia decided the opposite by declaring the subsidies legal and proper.

Ve'hoe

obamacare, IS failing,,,, the flicker of hope is on your side,, not ours, we are busy laughing at you and any dolts who decided to s**tcan their existing healthcare plans!!

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permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Ve'hoe wrote:

obamacare, IS failing,,,, the flicker of hope is on your side,, not ours, we are busy laughing at you and any dolts who decided to s**tcan their existing healthcare plans!!

Ve'hoe, I am so old that I am not affected yet. So I see this as most interesting. Think of it, if we combine the courts, which we can not, we would have 4 to 2 in favor of the ACA as it was expressed. But those 2 will drive the case to the SCOTUS and they could well set things back to zero.

Think of that, the insurance co would have a field day, they would insist at least 25% increase needed in rated to adjust for the loses from complying with the ACA.

The will use any excuse and if one is removed, they will use the reshuffling to jack rates to the skies..

I any case, this will need to be watched..

Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City

Not just the Right Wing but all of us, both Right and Left. It will be very interesting to see which way the 5/4 split in the Supreme Court rules on this one
I, for one hope that this will finally mark the demise of the ACA for all rime.

permafrost wrote:

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permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Winter Solstice wrote:

Not just the Right Wing but all of us, both Right and Left. It will be very interesting to see which way the 5/4 split in the Supreme Court rules on this one
I, for one hope that this will finally mark the demise of the ACA for all rime.

For me, the ACA was downright embarrassing. We needed healthcare reform so badly and for so long it has been worked for. Teddy Roosevelt, others, ever Tom Jefferson felt it should be included by the founding fathers..

However, what we got, could have been better put together by a group of high school kids. That includes both the act itself and most of the internet sites. Particularly the federal one.

If it makes it past the SC, I think it will be revised and fixed to be more useful..

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

permafrost wrote:

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Very interesting. After I heard of the opposing rulings, it further confirmed the split in our country. A nasty split. :roll:

Airforceone

Ve'hoe wrote:

obamacare, IS failing,,,, the flicker of hope is on your side,, not ours, we are busy laughing at you and any dolts who decided to s**tcan their existing healthcare plans!!

The ACA is going no where you i***t. Why do you think the TP is fighting it in court. They don't have the balls to do it themselves. So they are cherry picking like a bunch of children. VA got it right and the SCOTUS has already ruled and they are not about to change it.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Lol we'll sleep fine.

The longer it lasts, the more pronounced its failures will be.

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Ve'hoe

Yeah, this is a major sinkhole about to open, and I cant help beleive, (through experience with medical insurance companies) that this was not planned,,,,

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themadblacksmith

why do you rightwingers h**e manged care so much? Even good conservatives like Pres. Eiesnhower and Nixon favored some sort of national health care system. Managed care is kludgy, sure. What does the US Govt ever do that isn't??? 555 Congress critters and 10,000 lobbyists all stick their oar in. But the last Doctor i mentioned it to shrugged and said "better than nothing."

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Ve'hoe

Because we have watched you leftwinged imbeciles, ruin the schools, the economy, the military, SS admin, welfare, calif, detroit, and now the medical system.

themadb****smith wrote:

why do you rightwingers h**e manged care so much? Even good conservatives like Pres. Eiesnhower and Nixon favored some sort of national health care system. Managed care is kludgy, sure. What does the US Govt ever do that isn't??? 555 Congress critters and 10,000 lobbyists all stick their oar in. But the last Doctor i mentioned it to shrugged and said "better than nothing."

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

Lemme get this straight. Obamacare was supposed to cover 20-30 million people who had no health care coverage. There's 300+ million Americans (plus a bunch of under the counter hangers on) and 15 million of them have signed up, so far, under the un-affordable care act. How many still have no coverage? The UACA was supposed to save most families $2500/yr on health care premiums. Anyone seen that happen, yet? It hasn't done ANY of what it was sold to the public as it was supposed to accomplish. So, I'm asking you. "What's in YOUR wallet?" Or, how big does the lie have to get before even a Liberal can see it for what it is??

greyfox Loc: western mass.

dennisimoto wrote:

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The ACA was passed ONLY because of lies---prior to that most of us had insurance we were happy with (if not we could get it elsewhere) some had no insurance BUT those were covered by hospitals or Medicade, little problem for most. Now we have this monster of Obama's!!!!

Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City

We, too, have watched several other Nations adopt Managed Care and have seen what happens to the populace of those Nations. For me, no thanks.

Ve'hoe wrote:

Because we have watched you leftwinged imbeciles, ruin the schools, the economy, the military, SS admin, welfare, calif, detroit, and now the medical system.

greyfox Loc: western mass.

Winter Solstice wrote:

We, too, have watched several other Nations adopt Managed Care and have seen what happens to the populace of those Nations. For me, no thanks.

The Canadians still come here for serious surgery!!!