MH17 War of Words: US dismisses Russias Proof, Moscow asks new questions
Jul 22, 2014 06:21:11 #
Washingtons proof when presses is because Harf says so. Do they really think that is good enough after their track record of lies to start WW3.
"MH17 War of Words: US dismisses Russias Proof, Moscow asks new questions
July 22, 2014
The US Department of State has dismissed Russias sensational claims suggesting that a Ukrainian fighter plane or missile systems could have been involved in the July 17 crash of a Malaysian passenger plane in eastern Ukraine.
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There is a preponderance of evidence at this point both sort of out there in the public domain and also from our information that points to the fact that there was a SA-11 launched from separatist-controlled territory, State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said.
We assess, of course, that the Russian-backed separatists have this system, and one of the main reasons we have called for a full investigation is so we can get all the facts out there, she said.
The spokeswoman said the US assessment comes from social media accounts.
When pressed on the refusal to provide intelligence data supporting the US assessment that a SA-11 missile system, also known as Buk, brought down the plane, Harf accused Russia of spreading misinformation and propaganda.
We are not equally credible parties we dont put out mass amounts of propaganda, she added.
Source: U.S. Satellite images show Ukrainian troops shooting down MH17
Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, InfoWars website reports.
What Ive been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.
The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.
Although the establishment press has attempted to deride any questioning of the official narrative that Ukrainian rebels were responsible for the incident by invoking the tired conspiracy theory pejorative, Parry can hardly be dismissed as a crank given his key role in covering the Iran-Contra scandal for the Associated Press and Newsweek. Indeed, Parrys investigative work on intelligence matters, for which he was awarded the George Polk Award, suggests that the information provided by his source is worthy of serious attention, InfoWars reports.
Ten more questions Russian military pose to Ukraine
Russia has released military monitoring data, which shows Kiev military jets tracking the MH17 plane shortly before the crash and posed yet another set of questions to Ukraine and the US over the circumstances of the tragedy.
Military officials chief of General Staff of the Armed Forces Lt. Gen. Andrey Kartopolov and chief of the Air Force Main Staff Lt. Gen. Igor Makushev posed a number of questions to Kiev and Washington concerning the possible causes of the catastrophe in Eastern Ukraine that k**led almost 300 people last Thursday.
1. Why did the MH17 plane leave the international corridor?
Please note that the plane stayed within the corridor until it reached Donetsk but then it deviated from the route to the north, said Kartopolov.
2. Was MH17 leaving the route a navigation mistake or was the crew following instructions by Ukrainian air traffic controllers in Dnepropetrovsk?
The maximum deviation from the left border of the corridor was 14 km. Following that, we can see the plane maneuvering to return to the corridor, yet the Malaysian crew did not get a chance to complete the maneuver. At 17.20, the plane began to lose speed, and at 17.23 it disappeared from Russian radars.
3. Why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the m*****a-held area if the self-defense forces have no planes?
As far as we know, the Ukrainian military had three or four air defense battalions equipped with Buk-M1 SAM systems deployed in the vicinity of Donetsk on the day of the crash. This system is capable of hitting targets within the range of 35 km at the altitude of up to 22 km.
4. Why did Kiev deploy Buk missile system right next to the m*****a-controlled area straight ahead of the tragedy?
We have satellite photos of the places where Ukraine had its air defense units deployed in the southeastern parts of the country. The first three photos were made on July 14. The first photo shows Buk launchers 8 km northwest of Lugansk. You can clearly see a TELAR and two TELs. The second photo shows radars 5 km north of Donetsk. You can see two TARs along with other equipment and technical structures. The third photo shows air defense systems north of Donetsk. You can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures.
Heres a photo of the same area made on July 17. Please note that the launcher has disappeared. The fifth photo shows a battery of Buk missiles at the village of Zaroshchenskoye 50 km east of Donetsk and 8 km south of Shakhtyorsk on the morning of the same day. The sixth photo shows the same area on July 18. As you can see, the battery has left.
5. On the day of the crash Kiev increased activity on its Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are components of the Buk system in the area. Why?
Also, July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraines Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system. Here on this chart you see that there were seven radars operating on July 15, eight radars operating on July 16, and nine radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found.
6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?
There were three civilian planes in the area performing their regular flights at this time. There was a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore at 17:17, there was a flight from Paris to Taipei at 17:24, and then there was the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching the Malaysian Boeing.
The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short period of time. Its standard armament includes R60 air-to-air missiles, which are capable of locking and hitting targets from 12 km and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the distance of 5 km.
7. Why was the military jet flying at almost the same time and the same altitude with a passenger plane?
At 17:2135, with [the Boeings] velocity having dropped to 200 kilometers per hour, a new mark detecting an airborne object appears at the spot of the Boeings destruction. This new airborne object was continuously detected for the duration of four minutes by the radar stations Ust-Donetsk and Buturinskaya. An air traffic controller requested the characteristics of the new airborne object, but was unable to get any readings on its parameters most likely due to the fact that the new aircraft was not equipped with a secondary surveillance radar t***sponder, which is a distinctive feature of military aircraft, said Makushev.
Detecting the new aircraft became possible as it started to ascend. Further changes in the airborne objects coordinates suggest that it was hovering above the Boeing 777s crash site, monitoring of the situation.
Ukrainian officials earlier claimed that there were no Ukrainian military aircraft in the area of the crash that day. As you can see, that is not true.
8. Where did the launcher from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being t***sported?
Id like to say that the information we have presented here is based on objective and reliable data from various technical systems unlike the groundless accusations made against Russia, said Kartopolov.
For example, media circulated a video supposedly showing a Buk system being moved from Ukraine to Russia. This is clearly a fabrication. This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.
9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it?
10. Why havent US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the m*****a?
US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the m*****a. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.
This satellite is part of an experimental system designed to track and monitor the launches of missiles of various ranges. If our US colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should release it for the international community to examine it in detail. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed.
"MH17 War of Words: US dismisses Russias Proof, Moscow asks new questions
July 22, 2014
The US Department of State has dismissed Russias sensational claims suggesting that a Ukrainian fighter plane or missile systems could have been involved in the July 17 crash of a Malaysian passenger plane in eastern Ukraine.
Marie_Harf
There is a preponderance of evidence at this point both sort of out there in the public domain and also from our information that points to the fact that there was a SA-11 launched from separatist-controlled territory, State Department spokesperson Marie Harf said.
We assess, of course, that the Russian-backed separatists have this system, and one of the main reasons we have called for a full investigation is so we can get all the facts out there, she said.
The spokeswoman said the US assessment comes from social media accounts.
When pressed on the refusal to provide intelligence data supporting the US assessment that a SA-11 missile system, also known as Buk, brought down the plane, Harf accused Russia of spreading misinformation and propaganda.
We are not equally credible parties we dont put out mass amounts of propaganda, she added.
Source: U.S. Satellite images show Ukrainian troops shooting down MH17
Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, InfoWars website reports.
What Ive been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.
The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.
Although the establishment press has attempted to deride any questioning of the official narrative that Ukrainian rebels were responsible for the incident by invoking the tired conspiracy theory pejorative, Parry can hardly be dismissed as a crank given his key role in covering the Iran-Contra scandal for the Associated Press and Newsweek. Indeed, Parrys investigative work on intelligence matters, for which he was awarded the George Polk Award, suggests that the information provided by his source is worthy of serious attention, InfoWars reports.
Ten more questions Russian military pose to Ukraine
Russia has released military monitoring data, which shows Kiev military jets tracking the MH17 plane shortly before the crash and posed yet another set of questions to Ukraine and the US over the circumstances of the tragedy.
Military officials chief of General Staff of the Armed Forces Lt. Gen. Andrey Kartopolov and chief of the Air Force Main Staff Lt. Gen. Igor Makushev posed a number of questions to Kiev and Washington concerning the possible causes of the catastrophe in Eastern Ukraine that k**led almost 300 people last Thursday.
1. Why did the MH17 plane leave the international corridor?
Please note that the plane stayed within the corridor until it reached Donetsk but then it deviated from the route to the north, said Kartopolov.
2. Was MH17 leaving the route a navigation mistake or was the crew following instructions by Ukrainian air traffic controllers in Dnepropetrovsk?
The maximum deviation from the left border of the corridor was 14 km. Following that, we can see the plane maneuvering to return to the corridor, yet the Malaysian crew did not get a chance to complete the maneuver. At 17.20, the plane began to lose speed, and at 17.23 it disappeared from Russian radars.
3. Why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the m*****a-held area if the self-defense forces have no planes?
As far as we know, the Ukrainian military had three or four air defense battalions equipped with Buk-M1 SAM systems deployed in the vicinity of Donetsk on the day of the crash. This system is capable of hitting targets within the range of 35 km at the altitude of up to 22 km.
4. Why did Kiev deploy Buk missile system right next to the m*****a-controlled area straight ahead of the tragedy?
We have satellite photos of the places where Ukraine had its air defense units deployed in the southeastern parts of the country. The first three photos were made on July 14. The first photo shows Buk launchers 8 km northwest of Lugansk. You can clearly see a TELAR and two TELs. The second photo shows radars 5 km north of Donetsk. You can see two TARs along with other equipment and technical structures. The third photo shows air defense systems north of Donetsk. You can clearly see a TELAR launcher and about 60 military and auxiliary vehicles, tents for vehicles and other structures.
Heres a photo of the same area made on July 17. Please note that the launcher has disappeared. The fifth photo shows a battery of Buk missiles at the village of Zaroshchenskoye 50 km east of Donetsk and 8 km south of Shakhtyorsk on the morning of the same day. The sixth photo shows the same area on July 18. As you can see, the battery has left.
5. On the day of the crash Kiev increased activity on its Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are components of the Buk system in the area. Why?
Also, July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraines Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system. Here on this chart you see that there were seven radars operating on July 15, eight radars operating on July 16, and nine radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found.
6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?
There were three civilian planes in the area performing their regular flights at this time. There was a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore at 17:17, there was a flight from Paris to Taipei at 17:24, and then there was the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching the Malaysian Boeing.
The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short period of time. Its standard armament includes R60 air-to-air missiles, which are capable of locking and hitting targets from 12 km and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the distance of 5 km.
7. Why was the military jet flying at almost the same time and the same altitude with a passenger plane?
At 17:2135, with [the Boeings] velocity having dropped to 200 kilometers per hour, a new mark detecting an airborne object appears at the spot of the Boeings destruction. This new airborne object was continuously detected for the duration of four minutes by the radar stations Ust-Donetsk and Buturinskaya. An air traffic controller requested the characteristics of the new airborne object, but was unable to get any readings on its parameters most likely due to the fact that the new aircraft was not equipped with a secondary surveillance radar t***sponder, which is a distinctive feature of military aircraft, said Makushev.
Detecting the new aircraft became possible as it started to ascend. Further changes in the airborne objects coordinates suggest that it was hovering above the Boeing 777s crash site, monitoring of the situation.
Ukrainian officials earlier claimed that there were no Ukrainian military aircraft in the area of the crash that day. As you can see, that is not true.
8. Where did the launcher from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being t***sported?
Id like to say that the information we have presented here is based on objective and reliable data from various technical systems unlike the groundless accusations made against Russia, said Kartopolov.
For example, media circulated a video supposedly showing a Buk system being moved from Ukraine to Russia. This is clearly a fabrication. This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.
9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it?
10. Why havent US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the m*****a?
US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the m*****a. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.
This satellite is part of an experimental system designed to track and monitor the launches of missiles of various ranges. If our US colleagues have imagery from this satellite, they should release it for the international community to examine it in detail. This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed.
"Because I said so"
Jul 22, 2014 06:51:00 #
Patty wrote:
10. Why havent US officials revealed the evidence supporting claims that the MH17 was shot down by a missile launched by the m*****a?
US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the m*****a. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.
US officials claim they have satellite photographs proving the Malaysian airliner was shot down by a missile launched by the m*****a. But no one has seen these photographs so far. As far as we know, there was indeed a US satellite flying over southeastern Ukraine on July 17 from 17:06 to 17:21 Moscow time.
Barack Obama despises Vladimir Putin because in all their dealings Putin has shown him to be the fool that he is.
Just as his administration attempted to frame Bashar Assad's Syrian government for the poison gas released last year by Al-Qaeda affiliates, whom we were supporting; they now appear to be happily attempting to spin a similar evil web of lies around Vladimir Putin and Russia.
The t***h is never to be considered by a U.S. administration that lacks the ability to differentiate between t***h and lies, or the moral ineptitude to care.
Jul 22, 2014 07:07:33 #
Zemirah wrote:
Barack Obama despises Vladimir Putin because in al... (show quote)
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This admin has started a war they cant win without going all out nuke. The rest of the world is tired of Washingtons bullying and will join in Washingtons destruction of our economy. The will no longer be content to sit back and let Washington do it slowly but will now join in to escalate it. Every country in the world knows what happened and how the Washington installed government did it.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/mh17-will-usher-completely-new-kind-war-one-us-cannot-win
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