What if Obama is not a naturally born Citizen of the United States?
Jul 20, 2014 01:43:31 #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3aCfR8rmrw holds a very compelling argument.
Thank you saveamerica, I hope you don't mind me posting your statement here too.
It's a little long but, it will offer you the knowledge of who can be President of America. This is U.S. Law.
" Why Barack H Obama Jr. is not eligible to be President and is not President of these United States of America."
It does not matter whether or not Barack Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii or not. Because his father was not a citizen of the USA he, Barack Obama Jr., is not a natural born citizen and therefore is not eligible and is therefore not the President of these United States of America. His e******n was illegitimate as was his name being placed on the b****t. He does not meet the qualifications to hold the office.
From the Library of Congress:
In order for a person to be eligible and to be President the following qualifications have to be met first, in reverse order of specification in Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the USA Constitution, which is a contract :
1. The person must have been a resident in the United States for the last 14 years or more.
2. The person must have attained the age of 35 or be older than 35.
3. The person must be a natural born citizen or be a citizen of the United States at the time the US Constitution was adopted - i.e. be at least 222 or 223 years old (I don't know anyone who comes close to meeting the grandfather clause).
We know Barack Obama Jr. has been a resident of the United States for more than the last 14 years and we know he is more than 35 years old. So the question is, "Is Barack Obama Jr. natural born citizen".
For the "Birther" who claim Barack Obama Jr. was not born in Hawaii the question is moot. It makes no different.
But what does the term "natural born citizen" mean? When one does the research we find the treatise "Law of Nations" written by Monsieur De Vattel and published in 1758 is the source and legal definition of the term. This is the document that was known to those who wrote the Constitution of the United States of America. In Book 1, Chapter 19, Paragraph number 212 it states in French.
Les Naturels, ou Indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays, de Paren Citoyens.
In the 1760 English t***slation of this work this sentence is t***slated as Its natives are those who are born in the country parents who are citizens.
The later t***slations t***slate this sentence as The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
The word French word Indigènes is the English Indigenous. The word was adopted in to the English language and anglicized. The word has the meanings.
1. Native; born in a country; applied to persons.
2. Native; produced naturally in a country or climate; not exotic; applied to vegetables.
When one examines the dictionaries1 of the time.
This is the first indication of what the term "natural born citizen" means. Now some are going to say that Law of Nation was not in use. But the following excerpt from Ben Franklin's letter to Charles Dumas clearly show the Law of Nation was known to the founders.
It is also clear that Vattel's work was cited when one looks at the records from the Constitutional Convention2. This is further reinforced with when the significance of the term is considered with the letter written to George Washington by John Jay during the Constitutional Convention that created the contract represented by the US Constitution.
Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
What we find is that a special significance in regards to the type of citizenship that is accorded to a
1 http://www.1828-dictionary.com/d/search/word,indigenous
2 http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(fr003452))
person born in a country when both of the person's parents are citizens of the country. In a 1789 article, David Ramsay3 explained who the "original citizens" were and then defined the "natural born citizens" as the children born in the country to citizen parents. He said concerning the children born after the declaration of independence :
"[c]itizenship is the inheritance of the children of those who have taken part in the late revolution; but this is confined exclusively to the children of those who were themselves citizens ."
"citizenship by inheritance belongs to none but the children of those Americans, who, having survived the declaration of independence, acquired that adventitious character in their own right, and t***smitted it to their offspring ."
"as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776 ."
Congress in 1790 extended the definition of natural born citizen to include persons born to parents who were citizens of the US. The law stated
And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens; Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States; Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, shall be admitted a citizens as aforesaid, except by an act of the legislature of the state in which such person was proscribed.(a)4
In addition to the historical record of Founders referencing Law of Nation including George Washington's failure to return his borrowed library copy back to the library.
The record is clear those who helped found the United States and those who wrote the U.S. Constitution both knew of and used Monsieur De Vattel's treatise Law of Nation. Research indicates that the text is in fact the common law of the United States. In the early history of the country Monsieur De Vattel's treatise Law of Nation has even been referenced by the United States Supreme Court.
3 David Ramsay (April 2, 1749 to May 8, 1815) was an American physician, patriot, and historian from South Carolina and a delegate from that state to the Continental Congress in 1782-1783 and 1785-1786. He was the Acting President of the United States in Congress Assembled. He was one of the American Revolutions first major historians. A contemporary of Washington, Ramsay writes with the knowledge and insights one acquires only by being personally involved in the events of the Founding period. In 1785 he published History of the Revolution of South Carolina (two volumes), in 1789 History of the American Revolution (two volumes), in 1807 a Life of Washington, and in 1809 a History of South Carolina (two volumes).
4 See http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=226 and http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=227
5 See http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=538
The Supreme Court reference the definition of natural born citizen in 1814 in the opinion The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 (1814)6. Justice J. Washington of the Supreme Court stated.
"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights."
In this case Justice J. Washington just used the English version of the word indigenes meaning
One born in a country; a native animal or plant.7.
Justice J. Washington t***slated the French text of Monsieur De Vattel's The Low of Nations Book 1, Chapter 19, Paragraph Number 212 himself according to the records of the time.
In the Supreme Court decision Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U. S. 242 (1830)8 we find that the Court directly references the The Law of Nation in the following paragraphs and the concepts of that text.
If she was not of age then, under the circumstances of this case, she might well be deemed to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his natural character as a citizen of that country.
It is of importance here that it should be held in view that we are considering political, not moral, obligations. The latter are universal and immutable, but the former must frequently vary according to political circumstances. It is the doctrine of the American court that the issue of the Revolutionary War settled the point, that the American states were free and independent on 4 July, 1776. On that day, Mrs. Shanks was found under allegiance to the State of South Carolina as a natural born citizen to a community, one of whose fundamental principles was that natural allegiance was unalienable, and this principle was at no time relaxed by that state by any express provision, while it retained the undivided control over the rights and liabilities of its citizens.
The Supreme Court in Scott v Sanford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)9 Justice Daniel in a separate opinion quoted The Law of Nations extensively in his pre-Amendment 14 opinion.
Thus Vattel, in the preliminary chapter to his Treatise on the Law of Nations, says:
Nations or States are bodies politic, societies of men united together for the purpose of promoting their mutual safety and advantage by the joint efforts of their mutual strength. Such a society has her affairs and her interests, she deliberates and takes resolutions in common, thus becoming a moral person who possesses an understanding and a will peculiar to herself.
Again, in the first chapter of the first book of the Treatise just quoted, the same writer, after
6 http://supreme.justia.com/us/12/253/case.html
7 http://www.1828-dictionary.com/d/search/word,indigene
8 http://supreme.justia.com/us/28/242/case.html
9 http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0060_0393_ZX2.html
repeating his definition of a State, proceeds to remark that, from the very design that induces a number of men to form a society which has its common interests and which is to act in concert, it is necessary that there should be established a public authority to order and direct what is to be done by each in relation to the end of the association. This political authority is the sovereignty.
Again, this writer remarks: "The authority of all over each member essentially belongs to the body politic, or the State."
By this same writer it is also said:
The citizens are the members of the civil society, bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority; they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. As society [p477] cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.
Again:
I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen, for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners who are permitted to settle and stay in the country.
Vattel, Book 1, cap. 19, p. 101.
Once again the term natural born citizen is distinctly referenced.
The Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-16810 Chief Justice Waite wrote
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
In United States v Wong Kim Ark 18 S. Ct. 456 (1898) the Supreme Court.
That in the year 1890 the said Wong Kim Ark departed for China, upon a temporary visit, and with the intention of returning to the United States, and did return thereto on July 26, 1890, on the steampship Gaelic, and was permitted to enter the United States by the collector of ustoms, upon the sole ground that he was a native-born citizen of the United States.
That, after his said return, they said Wong Kim Ark remained in the United States, claiming to be a citizen thereof, until the year 1894, when he again departed for China upon a temporary visit, and with the intention of returning to the United States, and did return thereto in the month of August, 1895, and applied to the collector of customs to be permitted to land; and that such application was denied upon the sole ground that said Wong Kim Ark was not a citizen of the United States. That said Wong Kim Ark has not, either by himself or his parents acting for him, ever renounced his allegiance to the United States, and that he has never done or committed any act or thing to exclude him there from.' Because of Amendment 14 Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States. Even though his parents were not U.S. Citizens.
In Perkins, Secretary of Labor, et al. v Elg. 59 S.Ct. 884 (1939) we find a different scenario. Marie Elizabeth Elg was born to parents who were naturalized citizens who later returned to their country of origin and renounced their US Citizenship. Her mother became a US Citizen due to the naturalization of her husband in accordance with the laws of the time. In this case she was declared to be a natural born citizen.
What has happened over the years is that often the difference between a natural born citizen, or a person who is born in the country of parents who are citizens; and a native born citizen, or a person who has 1 citizen parent or is born under the provisions of Amendment 14 has been obscured by the misuse of the terms. The Supreme Court ruling Elk v Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884)11 contains a detailed discussion of Amendment 14 citizenship and the operation of the clause and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
When one looks at the various types of citizenships that exist in the United States one finds there are three types. A person at birth can be one of two types of citizens in the United States. The third type of citizenship only applies to foreign nationals who become a citizen. The three types are
A natural born citizen is both parents are citizen of the country and the child is born in the country. In the case of the United States you have to be born in one of the 50 States. Remember, Washington, DC is part of the State of Maryland that is on loan to the general government under the provisions of Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 17. The territories and possessions are not part of the United States. Only the States are actually part of the United States. Congress in 1790 extended this definition and then restored the original definition in 1795. The key is both parents have to be citizens at the time of birth of the child and the child has to be born in the country. And bases in the USA itself are still part of the State in which they are located.
A naturalized citizen is a foreign national who becomes of a citizen of the country. These are people who are covered under the basic rules established by Congress using Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 4. When Hawaii became a territory of the USA under Title 8, Section 1405 the citizens of the Republic of Hawaii were declared citizens. They key is the person was never a citizen before and became a citizen. Or you were a citizen and then gave it up and then became a citizen again. I know a case where a women left the USA, became a citizen of Mexico and has been denied US citizenship and is not allowed back in except for short visits to her family. She is extremely anti-USA. I heard about the case in the 1990s.
Thank you saveamerica, I hope you don't mind me posting your statement here too.
It's a little long but, it will offer you the knowledge of who can be President of America. This is U.S. Law.
" Why Barack H Obama Jr. is not eligible to be President and is not President of these United States of America."
It does not matter whether or not Barack Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii or not. Because his father was not a citizen of the USA he, Barack Obama Jr., is not a natural born citizen and therefore is not eligible and is therefore not the President of these United States of America. His e******n was illegitimate as was his name being placed on the b****t. He does not meet the qualifications to hold the office.
From the Library of Congress:
In order for a person to be eligible and to be President the following qualifications have to be met first, in reverse order of specification in Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the USA Constitution, which is a contract :
1. The person must have been a resident in the United States for the last 14 years or more.
2. The person must have attained the age of 35 or be older than 35.
3. The person must be a natural born citizen or be a citizen of the United States at the time the US Constitution was adopted - i.e. be at least 222 or 223 years old (I don't know anyone who comes close to meeting the grandfather clause).
We know Barack Obama Jr. has been a resident of the United States for more than the last 14 years and we know he is more than 35 years old. So the question is, "Is Barack Obama Jr. natural born citizen".
For the "Birther" who claim Barack Obama Jr. was not born in Hawaii the question is moot. It makes no different.
But what does the term "natural born citizen" mean? When one does the research we find the treatise "Law of Nations" written by Monsieur De Vattel and published in 1758 is the source and legal definition of the term. This is the document that was known to those who wrote the Constitution of the United States of America. In Book 1, Chapter 19, Paragraph number 212 it states in French.
Les Naturels, ou Indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays, de Paren Citoyens.
In the 1760 English t***slation of this work this sentence is t***slated as Its natives are those who are born in the country parents who are citizens.
The later t***slations t***slate this sentence as The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
The word French word Indigènes is the English Indigenous. The word was adopted in to the English language and anglicized. The word has the meanings.
1. Native; born in a country; applied to persons.
2. Native; produced naturally in a country or climate; not exotic; applied to vegetables.
When one examines the dictionaries1 of the time.
This is the first indication of what the term "natural born citizen" means. Now some are going to say that Law of Nation was not in use. But the following excerpt from Ben Franklin's letter to Charles Dumas clearly show the Law of Nation was known to the founders.
It is also clear that Vattel's work was cited when one looks at the records from the Constitutional Convention2. This is further reinforced with when the significance of the term is considered with the letter written to George Washington by John Jay during the Constitutional Convention that created the contract represented by the US Constitution.
Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.
What we find is that a special significance in regards to the type of citizenship that is accorded to a
1 http://www.1828-dictionary.com/d/search/word,indigenous
2 http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field(DOCID+@lit(fr003452))
person born in a country when both of the person's parents are citizens of the country. In a 1789 article, David Ramsay3 explained who the "original citizens" were and then defined the "natural born citizens" as the children born in the country to citizen parents. He said concerning the children born after the declaration of independence :
"[c]itizenship is the inheritance of the children of those who have taken part in the late revolution; but this is confined exclusively to the children of those who were themselves citizens ."
"citizenship by inheritance belongs to none but the children of those Americans, who, having survived the declaration of independence, acquired that adventitious character in their own right, and t***smitted it to their offspring ."
"as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776 ."
Congress in 1790 extended the definition of natural born citizen to include persons born to parents who were citizens of the US. The law stated
And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens; Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States; Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, shall be admitted a citizens as aforesaid, except by an act of the legislature of the state in which such person was proscribed.(a)4
In addition to the historical record of Founders referencing Law of Nation including George Washington's failure to return his borrowed library copy back to the library.
The record is clear those who helped found the United States and those who wrote the U.S. Constitution both knew of and used Monsieur De Vattel's treatise Law of Nation. Research indicates that the text is in fact the common law of the United States. In the early history of the country Monsieur De Vattel's treatise Law of Nation has even been referenced by the United States Supreme Court.
3 David Ramsay (April 2, 1749 to May 8, 1815) was an American physician, patriot, and historian from South Carolina and a delegate from that state to the Continental Congress in 1782-1783 and 1785-1786. He was the Acting President of the United States in Congress Assembled. He was one of the American Revolutions first major historians. A contemporary of Washington, Ramsay writes with the knowledge and insights one acquires only by being personally involved in the events of the Founding period. In 1785 he published History of the Revolution of South Carolina (two volumes), in 1789 History of the American Revolution (two volumes), in 1807 a Life of Washington, and in 1809 a History of South Carolina (two volumes).
4 See http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=226 and http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=227
5 See http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=538
The Supreme Court reference the definition of natural born citizen in 1814 in the opinion The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 (1814)6. Justice J. Washington of the Supreme Court stated.
"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights."
In this case Justice J. Washington just used the English version of the word indigenes meaning
One born in a country; a native animal or plant.7.
Justice J. Washington t***slated the French text of Monsieur De Vattel's The Low of Nations Book 1, Chapter 19, Paragraph Number 212 himself according to the records of the time.
In the Supreme Court decision Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U. S. 242 (1830)8 we find that the Court directly references the The Law of Nation in the following paragraphs and the concepts of that text.
If she was not of age then, under the circumstances of this case, she might well be deemed to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his natural character as a citizen of that country.
It is of importance here that it should be held in view that we are considering political, not moral, obligations. The latter are universal and immutable, but the former must frequently vary according to political circumstances. It is the doctrine of the American court that the issue of the Revolutionary War settled the point, that the American states were free and independent on 4 July, 1776. On that day, Mrs. Shanks was found under allegiance to the State of South Carolina as a natural born citizen to a community, one of whose fundamental principles was that natural allegiance was unalienable, and this principle was at no time relaxed by that state by any express provision, while it retained the undivided control over the rights and liabilities of its citizens.
The Supreme Court in Scott v Sanford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)9 Justice Daniel in a separate opinion quoted The Law of Nations extensively in his pre-Amendment 14 opinion.
Thus Vattel, in the preliminary chapter to his Treatise on the Law of Nations, says:
Nations or States are bodies politic, societies of men united together for the purpose of promoting their mutual safety and advantage by the joint efforts of their mutual strength. Such a society has her affairs and her interests, she deliberates and takes resolutions in common, thus becoming a moral person who possesses an understanding and a will peculiar to herself.
Again, in the first chapter of the first book of the Treatise just quoted, the same writer, after
6 http://supreme.justia.com/us/12/253/case.html
7 http://www.1828-dictionary.com/d/search/word,indigene
8 http://supreme.justia.com/us/28/242/case.html
9 http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0060_0393_ZX2.html
repeating his definition of a State, proceeds to remark that, from the very design that induces a number of men to form a society which has its common interests and which is to act in concert, it is necessary that there should be established a public authority to order and direct what is to be done by each in relation to the end of the association. This political authority is the sovereignty.
Again, this writer remarks: "The authority of all over each member essentially belongs to the body politic, or the State."
By this same writer it is also said:
The citizens are the members of the civil society, bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority; they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. As society [p477] cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.
Again:
I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen, for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners who are permitted to settle and stay in the country.
Vattel, Book 1, cap. 19, p. 101.
Once again the term natural born citizen is distinctly referenced.
The Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-16810 Chief Justice Waite wrote
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
In United States v Wong Kim Ark 18 S. Ct. 456 (1898) the Supreme Court.
That in the year 1890 the said Wong Kim Ark departed for China, upon a temporary visit, and with the intention of returning to the United States, and did return thereto on July 26, 1890, on the steampship Gaelic, and was permitted to enter the United States by the collector of ustoms, upon the sole ground that he was a native-born citizen of the United States.
That, after his said return, they said Wong Kim Ark remained in the United States, claiming to be a citizen thereof, until the year 1894, when he again departed for China upon a temporary visit, and with the intention of returning to the United States, and did return thereto in the month of August, 1895, and applied to the collector of customs to be permitted to land; and that such application was denied upon the sole ground that said Wong Kim Ark was not a citizen of the United States. That said Wong Kim Ark has not, either by himself or his parents acting for him, ever renounced his allegiance to the United States, and that he has never done or committed any act or thing to exclude him there from.' Because of Amendment 14 Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States. Even though his parents were not U.S. Citizens.
In Perkins, Secretary of Labor, et al. v Elg. 59 S.Ct. 884 (1939) we find a different scenario. Marie Elizabeth Elg was born to parents who were naturalized citizens who later returned to their country of origin and renounced their US Citizenship. Her mother became a US Citizen due to the naturalization of her husband in accordance with the laws of the time. In this case she was declared to be a natural born citizen.
What has happened over the years is that often the difference between a natural born citizen, or a person who is born in the country of parents who are citizens; and a native born citizen, or a person who has 1 citizen parent or is born under the provisions of Amendment 14 has been obscured by the misuse of the terms. The Supreme Court ruling Elk v Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884)11 contains a detailed discussion of Amendment 14 citizenship and the operation of the clause and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
When one looks at the various types of citizenships that exist in the United States one finds there are three types. A person at birth can be one of two types of citizens in the United States. The third type of citizenship only applies to foreign nationals who become a citizen. The three types are
A natural born citizen is both parents are citizen of the country and the child is born in the country. In the case of the United States you have to be born in one of the 50 States. Remember, Washington, DC is part of the State of Maryland that is on loan to the general government under the provisions of Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 17. The territories and possessions are not part of the United States. Only the States are actually part of the United States. Congress in 1790 extended this definition and then restored the original definition in 1795. The key is both parents have to be citizens at the time of birth of the child and the child has to be born in the country. And bases in the USA itself are still part of the State in which they are located.
A naturalized citizen is a foreign national who becomes of a citizen of the country. These are people who are covered under the basic rules established by Congress using Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 4. When Hawaii became a territory of the USA under Title 8, Section 1405 the citizens of the Republic of Hawaii were declared citizens. They key is the person was never a citizen before and became a citizen. Or you were a citizen and then gave it up and then became a citizen again. I know a case where a women left the USA, became a citizen of Mexico and has been denied US citizenship and is not allowed back in except for short visits to her family. She is extremely anti-USA. I heard about the case in the 1990s.
Jul 20, 2014 01:46:45 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3aCfR8rmrw holds a very compelling argument. .
Now, what do you guys think America would do if it is proven through documentation, that president Obama is not a Naturally born Citizen?
Jul 20, 2014 01:55:00 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
Now, what do you guys think America would do if it is proven through documentation, that president Obama is not a Naturally born Citizen?
It will be proven,unfortunately we will all be long dead by then and it will end up just another page in history.If Congress had acted when they should have he would not be a problem now.
Jul 20, 2014 02:04:54 #
Hemiman wrote:
It will be proven,unfortunately we will all be long dead by then and it will end up just another page in history.If Congress had acted when they should have he would not be a problem now.
Don't give up! Don't you dare give up! Even Bush said "we must remain vigilant!"-after the 9/11 attacks. Don't you dare give up! It people like me and the sicilianthing, that will not give up. We are going to continue to post true stories of this infiltration of the country, in the enemies attempt to usurp the constitution. Do not let the constitution die. It is our last defense against tyranny. Do not give up. Pray! Speak out! Expose the injustice! Keep fighting! Do not do anything rash, and uphold the rule of Law, but speak out against tyranny.
They cannot stop us. And they know it!
Jul 20, 2014 02:41:08 #
Hemiman wrote:
It will be proven,unfortunately we will all be long dead by then and it will end up just another page in history.If Congress had acted when they should have he would not be a problem now.
Sadly I believe you are right, no one is interested in exposing the first black president, regardless of how many lies he has told. Obama uses race as a shield, and it is destroying this nation
Jul 20, 2014 05:11:50 #
GREAT POST
Why hasn't our wonderful SCOTUS done something about this corrupt, inept, lawless, anti-American, anti-Christian, Muslim of the brotherhood, self righteous ideologue?
Apparently the law means nothing to them.
Can anyone tell me if Obummer is the only president who refused to let us open his files?
After all, if you have nothing to hide...........
Why hasn't our wonderful SCOTUS done something about this corrupt, inept, lawless, anti-American, anti-Christian, Muslim of the brotherhood, self righteous ideologue?
Apparently the law means nothing to them.
Can anyone tell me if Obummer is the only president who refused to let us open his files?
After all, if you have nothing to hide...........
Ranger7374 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3aCfR8rmrw holds a... (show quote)
Jul 20, 2014 07:04:32 #
If Barack Hussein is a natural born citizen of the USA, why did the Kenyan National Assembly recognize Barack Hussein Obama as being born in Kenya in their March 25, 2010 session?
www.birthreport.com/2010/04/member-of-kenyan-assembly-on-march-25th.html
www.scribd.com/doc/30293518/minister-in-kenyan-national-assembly-on-25-march-2010-states-obama-born-in-kenya-see-pg-31/
www.birthreport.com/2010/04/member-of-kenyan-assembly-on-march-25th.html
www.scribd.com/doc/30293518/minister-in-kenyan-national-assembly-on-25-march-2010-states-obama-born-in-kenya-see-pg-31/
Jul 20, 2014 07:10:11 #
The whole situation lies in the hands of our entire congress for knowingly letting it happen because no one in congress raised a question on Obama's constitutional eligibility. Obama's goal of destroying the USA was his intent when he usurped the office and congress is supporting him in his goal.
Jul 20, 2014 08:44:03 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3aCfR8rmrw holds a... (show quote)
I really would love to see the US Military take him and his cronnies out and hang them by their lieing necks.
Jul 20, 2014 23:00:01 #
saveamerica
Loc: Texas
Ranger7374 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3aCfR8rmrw holds a... (show quote)
It's already been proven. Obama Sr. was not America Citizen, he was a foreign student from Africa.
Plus, Obama was born in Kenya 8/4/1961 and got his Hawaii Birth Certificate on August 8, 1961 and Obama grandmother signed it and it states on line 23 - 1. Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu. HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother.
This is why Obama does not want anyone to see his Hawaii Birth Certificate.
It would put him in Jail and maybe death.
Jul 20, 2014 23:33:07 #
See new post:you won't believe this 20 seconds,posted by Chilkoot.
Jul 20, 2014 23:53:38 #
saveamerica wrote:
It's already been proven. Obama Sr. was not America Citizen, he was a foreign student from Africa.
Plus, Obama was born in Kenya 8/4/1961 and got his Hawaii Birth Certificate on August 8, 1961 and Obama grandmother signed it and it states on line 23 - 1. Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu. HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother.
This is why Obama does not want anyone to see his Hawaii Birth Certificate.
It would put him in Jail and maybe death.
Plus, Obama was born in Kenya 8/4/1961 and got his Hawaii Birth Certificate on August 8, 1961 and Obama grandmother signed it and it states on line 23 - 1. Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu. HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother.
This is why Obama does not want anyone to see his Hawaii Birth Certificate.
It would put him in Jail and maybe death.
What about this article, http://dcxposed.com/2013/06/04/cspoa-jaws-drop-at-sheriff-joe-arpaios-proof-of-obama-bc-fraud/
There are different theories, but owing to media refusal to investigate, lament critics, few definitive answers.
Yet, say observers, while they may not know the who or why of the matter, one thing we do know definitively is the what: Obamas birth certificate is fraudulent. And it isnt just Arpaios posse making this claim. Another is Nick Chase, a retired but still very active technical writer, technical editor, computer programmer, and stock market newsletter writer who during his career has produced documentation on computers, typewriters, typesetters, headline-makers, and other pieces of equipment [and who] has programmed typesetting equipment, reads his bio. He stated in 2012 that, among other things, the birth certificate fails the pitch test (details here). Chase said that among experts in his field, it's been an open secret that the document image released by the White House on April 27, 2011 is a complete f**e.
Then theres Mara Zebest, a graphic artist and co-author for a number of Adobe product books including the Inside Photoshop series, which typically exceeded 1,000 pages and was published in at least ten different languages around the world. She is also tech editor for numerous books for both Adobe and Microsoft products and has worked closely with the Cold Case Posse (CCP) for the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (MCSO) in providing evidence on Obama's forged birth certificate. She wrote in 2012, Obama's PDF file never originated as a paper document, but rather was born in cyberspace or was to put it another way digitally manufactured.
Yet the who and why may be known soon and the revelations may be shocking. As WND.coms Bob Unruh reported last December, When this [birth certificate] information is finally exposed to the public, it will be universe-shattering, Mike Zullo told WND. This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio believes that the birth certificate is a forgery!
Jul 21, 2014 00:05:41 #
It was claimed some of the picas used in that "birth certificate" did not exist in 1961.
Why did it take over two years to show that "birth certificate"? If it was a copy of the original, why didn't Obama show it when the Senate held their Special Session to question John McCain on his constitutional eligibility to erase all questions on his own constitutionally eligibility?
Why did it take over two years to show that "birth certificate"? If it was a copy of the original, why didn't Obama show it when the Senate held their Special Session to question John McCain on his constitutional eligibility to erase all questions on his own constitutionally eligibility?
Jul 21, 2014 00:16:04 #
yogiman wrote:
It was claimed some of the picas used in that "birth certificate" did not exist in 1961.
Why did it take over two years to show that "birth certificate"? If it was a copy of the original, why didn't Obama show it when the Senate held their Special Session to question John McCain on his constitutional eligibility to erase all questions on his own constitutionally eligibility?
Why did it take over two years to show that "birth certificate"? If it was a copy of the original, why didn't Obama show it when the Senate held their Special Session to question John McCain on his constitutional eligibility to erase all questions on his own constitutionally eligibility?
Race, Obama uses race as both a shield and a sword, if he were white he couldn't get away with this
Jul 21, 2014 01:10:15 #
Well one day in 2012 before the e******n, I believe it was in March, I heard a report from Sheriff Joe's office in Maricopa County, which stated that Obama was indeed a citzen of the United States. So, I let the whole issue go.
Now upon further investigation, I have found that the earlier report does not hold water, That the birth certificate released by the white house was a forgery! A forgery!
Sheriff Joe said that he was close to the perp that created the forgery. I agree with Sheriff Joe, I don't give a damn where he was born, what I care about is the forged document. Now, the investigation gets worse and worse as it continues.
Something that the rest of the nation doesn't understand about Sheriff Joe, is that he sought out to prove that the birth certificate was authentic. He sought to prove that the Birth certificate was true. Instead the investigation proved otherwise. I respect that old Italian but If the issue about the birth certificate is still a legal issue, then everything with in the administration from November 2008 til present is still ongoing and we have had six years of no work because of this smoke screen.
How pathetic.....
Now upon further investigation, I have found that the earlier report does not hold water, That the birth certificate released by the white house was a forgery! A forgery!
Sheriff Joe said that he was close to the perp that created the forgery. I agree with Sheriff Joe, I don't give a damn where he was born, what I care about is the forged document. Now, the investigation gets worse and worse as it continues.
Something that the rest of the nation doesn't understand about Sheriff Joe, is that he sought out to prove that the birth certificate was authentic. He sought to prove that the Birth certificate was true. Instead the investigation proved otherwise. I respect that old Italian but If the issue about the birth certificate is still a legal issue, then everything with in the administration from November 2008 til present is still ongoing and we have had six years of no work because of this smoke screen.
How pathetic.....
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