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Jul 31, 2020 23:00:00   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Report Exposes Major Flaws in Mail-In Voting, Could Change Outcome of Election
C. Douglas Golden
If there’s one hard-and-fast rule that has been set for conservatives during the unusual 2020 election process, it’s this: Don’t step into the mail-in voting minefield.

There’s an official line that’s been set. Mail-in voting is terrific. It’s better than in-person voting, in fact. Why don’t we make it this easy all the time? It’s the greatest thing to happen to liberty and freedom since the Magna Carta.

Every time you express the slightest doubt about the mechanics of national mail-in voting and whether it could affect the results of the 2020 election, the soul of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. sheds a single tear in heaven.

For the humor-challenged, this is what the kids like to call hyperbole. I don’t feel bad engaging in it because, well, everyone engages in hyperbole when they’re talking about mail-in voting.

I’ve noticed a trend behind almost every argument I read on social media regarding the issue: If you aren’t making the most extreme case for your position, so extreme that it verges on self-parody, all the while claiming you absolutely know every one of the pertinent facts about the process and how they all line up in your favor, you’re doing it wrong.

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This puts me in an odd position because my opposition to universal mail-in voting comes from a place of caution about an untried process.

It’s that I merely know that we can’t know what’s going to happen when the tortoise-like evolution of America’s electoral process over 232 years is completely upended in the space of about six months because we’ve concluded there’s no way to socially distance during the in-person voting process. (Even though there’s no evidence in-person voting increases COVID-19 risk.)

We want every American to be able to place his or her vote via mail without knowing what the implications of that are — assuming we’ll end up with the same result we would have otherwise.

The proof from proponents of universal mail-in voting that it’ll be foolproof comes via a small number of states that automatically send registered voters mail-in ballots.

Should we enact nationwide vote-by-mail?
According to The Washington Post, those states are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah — only one of which, Colorado, has even the slightest chance of being a presidential swing state this November. (And even that’s exceedingly unlikely — President Donald Trump would be well-advised not to go near there except to support incumbent GOP Sen. Cory Gardner, who faces an uphill re-election battle.)

While you can request an absentee ballot in most states — either without giving a reason or by listing fear of COVID-19 as a reason — and a number of states have expanded absentee voting access, that’s not quite a barrier-free mail-in voting system. Rest assured, you’re going to see that pushed for over the next few months, and hard.

So what’s the big deal?

Well, CBS News decided to run a controlled test of what might happen if there was widespread mail-in voting this November.

In Philadelphia, Tony Dokoupil of “CBS This Morning” took 100 mock ballots and mailed them in different parts of the city to an address that had been set up as a mock board of elections.

In the experiment, 21 percent of one of the batches of ballots didn’t arrive after three days. Three percent didn’t arrive at all. If 3 percent sounds like a small number, consider that Pennsylvania was decided by a 0.7 percent margin back in 2016. They did get “a birthday card from Mike to Ronnie,” though, so there’s that.

Trump shared the video Wednesday on Twitter and waded further into the fray shortly after, sending this tweet:

As for mail-in voting being “an easy way for foreign countries to enter the race” — well, as Wikipedia might put it, that’s very much [citation needed]. In terms of the problems with an accurate count and “testing areas [being] way off,” while the Philadelphia test was just one experiment, it also wasn’t a promising one.

Keep in mind, this test only measured whether a mailed-in ballot arrived at the “board of elections.” The problem with the conditions is that the U.S. Post Office would be involved both ways — meaning the same service that didn’t deliver 3 percent of the ballots was also assumed to have a 100 percent record delivering those ballots to voters in the first place.

And this test happened during a period where the USPS wasn’t being swamped with ballots — which it would be during the election. Whatever mistakes are present now would be magnified then.

This is to say nothing about problematic practices such as “ballot harvesting” — the ethically questionable practice where third parties are authorized to collect mail-in ballots, something Democrats used to great effect during the 2018 midterms — and other potential unforeseen issues with the system.

By the way, Democrats should be concerned about this, too.

The Washington Post reported in May that “voting by mail increases the number of ballots that are rejected — and not counted in the final tally. And ballots from younger, minority and first-time voters are most likely to be thrown out.”

In liberal California, The Associated Press reported over 100,000 mail-in ballots were rejected during the March primary, roughly 1.5 percent of ballots sent in by mail. Why does this happen?

“It’s not entirely clear,” The Post reported in May. “On the one hand, there may be reasons some groups of voters are more likely to make mistakes when voting by mail. Many new voters — for example young and first-time registrants — may be unfamiliar with how to vote by mail, or not know how much postage is required or how far in advance to return the ballot to have it arrive on time. Mail voters don’t have the benefit of interacting face-to-face with poll workers who might be able to help them navigate any difficulties.”

There’s too much we don’t know about the system.

A basic test, just seeing how many of the ballots could be delivered if and assuming the ballots got to the voters and were mailed on time during a period where the system was working efficiently, found 3 percent didn’t arrive.

If that happened in November on a massive, national scale, it could be the kind of major flaw in a system that can change an election. That’s not making an extreme case for anything. It’s merely stating some very inconvenient facts about a process we’ve been assured is 100 percent safe.

We are committed to truth and accuracy in all of our journalism. Read our editorial standards.

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Aug 1, 2020 00:45:58   #
marinevet73
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Report Exposes Major Flaws in Mail-In Voting, Could Change Outcome of Election
C. Douglas Golden
If there’s one hard-and-fast rule that has been set for conservatives during the unusual 2020 election process, it’s this: Don’t step into the mail-in voting minefield.

There’s an official line that’s been set. Mail-in voting is terrific. It’s better than in-person voting, in fact. Why don’t we make it this easy all the time? It’s the greatest thing to happen to liberty and freedom since the Magna Carta.

Every time you express the slightest doubt about the mechanics of national mail-in voting and whether it could affect the results of the 2020 election, the soul of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. sheds a single tear in heaven.

For the humor-challenged, this is what the kids like to call hyperbole. I don’t feel bad engaging in it because, well, everyone engages in hyperbole when they’re talking about mail-in voting.

I’ve noticed a trend behind almost every argument I read on social media regarding the issue: If you aren’t making the most extreme case for your position, so extreme that it verges on self-parody, all the while claiming you absolutely know every one of the pertinent facts about the process and how they all line up in your favor, you’re doing it wrong.

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This puts me in an odd position because my opposition to universal mail-in voting comes from a place of caution about an untried process.

It’s that I merely know that we can’t know what’s going to happen when the tortoise-like evolution of America’s electoral process over 232 years is completely upended in the space of about six months because we’ve concluded there’s no way to socially distance during the in-person voting process. (Even though there’s no evidence in-person voting increases COVID-19 risk.)

We want every American to be able to place his or her vote via mail without knowing what the implications of that are — assuming we’ll end up with the same result we would have otherwise.

The proof from proponents of universal mail-in voting that it’ll be foolproof comes via a small number of states that automatically send registered voters mail-in ballots.

Should we enact nationwide vote-by-mail?
According to The Washington Post, those states are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah — only one of which, Colorado, has even the slightest chance of being a presidential swing state this November. (And even that’s exceedingly unlikely — President Donald Trump would be well-advised not to go near there except to support incumbent GOP Sen. Cory Gardner, who faces an uphill re-election battle.)

While you can request an absentee ballot in most states — either without giving a reason or by listing fear of COVID-19 as a reason — and a number of states have expanded absentee voting access, that’s not quite a barrier-free mail-in voting system. Rest assured, you’re going to see that pushed for over the next few months, and hard.

So what’s the big deal?

Well, CBS News decided to run a controlled test of what might happen if there was widespread mail-in voting this November.

In Philadelphia, Tony Dokoupil of “CBS This Morning” took 100 mock ballots and mailed them in different parts of the city to an address that had been set up as a mock board of elections.

In the experiment, 21 percent of one of the batches of ballots didn’t arrive after three days. Three percent didn’t arrive at all. If 3 percent sounds like a small number, consider that Pennsylvania was decided by a 0.7 percent margin back in 2016. They did get “a birthday card from Mike to Ronnie,” though, so there’s that.

Trump shared the video Wednesday on Twitter and waded further into the fray shortly after, sending this tweet:

As for mail-in voting being “an easy way for foreign countries to enter the race” — well, as Wikipedia might put it, that’s very much [citation needed]. In terms of the problems with an accurate count and “testing areas [being] way off,” while the Philadelphia test was just one experiment, it also wasn’t a promising one.

Keep in mind, this test only measured whether a mailed-in ballot arrived at the “board of elections.” The problem with the conditions is that the U.S. Post Office would be involved both ways — meaning the same service that didn’t deliver 3 percent of the ballots was also assumed to have a 100 percent record delivering those ballots to voters in the first place.

And this test happened during a period where the USPS wasn’t being swamped with ballots — which it would be during the election. Whatever mistakes are present now would be magnified then.

This is to say nothing about problematic practices such as “ballot harvesting” — the ethically questionable practice where third parties are authorized to collect mail-in ballots, something Democrats used to great effect during the 2018 midterms — and other potential unforeseen issues with the system.

By the way, Democrats should be concerned about this, too.

The Washington Post reported in May that “voting by mail increases the number of ballots that are rejected — and not counted in the final tally. And ballots from younger, minority and first-time voters are most likely to be thrown out.”

In liberal California, The Associated Press reported over 100,000 mail-in ballots were rejected during the March primary, roughly 1.5 percent of ballots sent in by mail. Why does this happen?

“It’s not entirely clear,” The Post reported in May. “On the one hand, there may be reasons some groups of voters are more likely to make mistakes when voting by mail. Many new voters — for example young and first-time registrants — may be unfamiliar with how to vote by mail, or not know how much postage is required or how far in advance to return the ballot to have it arrive on time. Mail voters don’t have the benefit of interacting face-to-face with poll workers who might be able to help them navigate any difficulties.”

There’s too much we don’t know about the system.

A basic test, just seeing how many of the ballots could be delivered if and assuming the ballots got to the voters and were mailed on time during a period where the system was working efficiently, found 3 percent didn’t arrive.

If that happened in November on a massive, national scale, it could be the kind of major flaw in a system that can change an election. That’s not making an extreme case for anything. It’s merely stating some very inconvenient facts about a process we’ve been assured is 100 percent safe.

We are committed to truth and accuracy in all of our journalism. Read our editorial standards.
Report Exposes Major Flaws in Mail-In Voting, Coul... (show quote)


5 states, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Colorado and Utah have mail in voting. Oregon was the first since 2000..

Many states have allowed mail in ballots if you ask for it. All of the rest of the states allow mail in ballots if you have a valid reason to need one.

Washington did a study in irregularities in their mail in ballots and found there were 159 irregularities in 2.5 million ballots. If I remember correctly, that was in 2012.

trump's bs about voter irregularities is exactly bs. He is right again. He is full of shit. He regularly votes by mail.

I live in Oregon. I am registered to vote automatically when I get a new license at the DMV. My ballot is mailed to me at my place of residence that I registered st the DMV. I csn deliver my ballot to a voting box, or I can drop it off at the County court house. I normally drop it off at the Court House. I can also mail it postage free via the Post Office from my home.

trump is attempting to get his uneducated base all excited about mail-in bsllots because he is losing this election big time.

If you believe his bs, you are part of his uneducated base. You should know where you stand with trump.

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Aug 1, 2020 08:03:22   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Report Exposes Major Flaws in Mail-In Voting, Could Change Outcome of Election
C. Douglas Golden
If there’s one hard-and-fast rule that has been set for conservatives during the unusual 2020 election process, it’s this: Don’t step into the mail-in voting minefield.

There’s an official line that’s been set. Mail-in voting is terrific. It’s better than in-person voting, in fact. Why don’t we make it this easy all the time? It’s the greatest thing to happen to liberty and freedom since the Magna Carta.

Every time you express the slightest doubt about the mechanics of national mail-in voting and whether it could affect the results of the 2020 election, the soul of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. sheds a single tear in heaven.

For the humor-challenged, this is what the kids like to call hyperbole. I don’t feel bad engaging in it because, well, everyone engages in hyperbole when they’re talking about mail-in voting.

I’ve noticed a trend behind almost every argument I read on social media regarding the issue: If you aren’t making the most extreme case for your position, so extreme that it verges on self-parody, all the while claiming you absolutely know every one of the pertinent facts about the process and how they all line up in your favor, you’re doing it wrong.

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This puts me in an odd position because my opposition to universal mail-in voting comes from a place of caution about an untried process.

It’s that I merely know that we can’t know what’s going to happen when the tortoise-like evolution of America’s electoral process over 232 years is completely upended in the space of about six months because we’ve concluded there’s no way to socially distance during the in-person voting process. (Even though there’s no evidence in-person voting increases COVID-19 risk.)

We want every American to be able to place his or her vote via mail without knowing what the implications of that are — assuming we’ll end up with the same result we would have otherwise.

The proof from proponents of universal mail-in voting that it’ll be foolproof comes via a small number of states that automatically send registered voters mail-in ballots.

Should we enact nationwide vote-by-mail?
According to The Washington Post, those states are California, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington and Utah — only one of which, Colorado, has even the slightest chance of being a presidential swing state this November. (And even that’s exceedingly unlikely — President Donald Trump would be well-advised not to go near there except to support incumbent GOP Sen. Cory Gardner, who faces an uphill re-election battle.)

While you can request an absentee ballot in most states — either without giving a reason or by listing fear of COVID-19 as a reason — and a number of states have expanded absentee voting access, that’s not quite a barrier-free mail-in voting system. Rest assured, you’re going to see that pushed for over the next few months, and hard.

So what’s the big deal?

Well, CBS News decided to run a controlled test of what might happen if there was widespread mail-in voting this November.

In Philadelphia, Tony Dokoupil of “CBS This Morning” took 100 mock ballots and mailed them in different parts of the city to an address that had been set up as a mock board of elections.

In the experiment, 21 percent of one of the batches of ballots didn’t arrive after three days. Three percent didn’t arrive at all. If 3 percent sounds like a small number, consider that Pennsylvania was decided by a 0.7 percent margin back in 2016. They did get “a birthday card from Mike to Ronnie,” though, so there’s that.

Trump shared the video Wednesday on Twitter and waded further into the fray shortly after, sending this tweet:

As for mail-in voting being “an easy way for foreign countries to enter the race” — well, as Wikipedia might put it, that’s very much [citation needed]. In terms of the problems with an accurate count and “testing areas [being] way off,” while the Philadelphia test was just one experiment, it also wasn’t a promising one.

Keep in mind, this test only measured whether a mailed-in ballot arrived at the “board of elections.” The problem with the conditions is that the U.S. Post Office would be involved both ways — meaning the same service that didn’t deliver 3 percent of the ballots was also assumed to have a 100 percent record delivering those ballots to voters in the first place.

And this test happened during a period where the USPS wasn’t being swamped with ballots — which it would be during the election. Whatever mistakes are present now would be magnified then.

This is to say nothing about problematic practices such as “ballot harvesting” — the ethically questionable practice where third parties are authorized to collect mail-in ballots, something Democrats used to great effect during the 2018 midterms — and other potential unforeseen issues with the system.

By the way, Democrats should be concerned about this, too.

The Washington Post reported in May that “voting by mail increases the number of ballots that are rejected — and not counted in the final tally. And ballots from younger, minority and first-time voters are most likely to be thrown out.”

In liberal California, The Associated Press reported over 100,000 mail-in ballots were rejected during the March primary, roughly 1.5 percent of ballots sent in by mail. Why does this happen?

“It’s not entirely clear,” The Post reported in May. “On the one hand, there may be reasons some groups of voters are more likely to make mistakes when voting by mail. Many new voters — for example young and first-time registrants — may be unfamiliar with how to vote by mail, or not know how much postage is required or how far in advance to return the ballot to have it arrive on time. Mail voters don’t have the benefit of interacting face-to-face with poll workers who might be able to help them navigate any difficulties.”

There’s too much we don’t know about the system.

A basic test, just seeing how many of the ballots could be delivered if and assuming the ballots got to the voters and were mailed on time during a period where the system was working efficiently, found 3 percent didn’t arrive.

If that happened in November on a massive, national scale, it could be the kind of major flaw in a system that can change an election. That’s not making an extreme case for anything. It’s merely stating some very inconvenient facts about a process we’ve been assured is 100 percent safe.

We are committed to truth and accuracy in all of our journalism. Read our editorial standards.
Report Exposes Major Flaws in Mail-In Voting, Coul... (show quote)


So the States that have been voting my mail since they became States, have been doing it all wrong? BTW, someone remind trump that absentee ballots.................................are mailed in.

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Aug 1, 2020 15:21:09   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
marinevet73 wrote:
5 states, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Colorado and Utah have mail in voting. Oregon was the first since 2000..

Many states have allowed mail in ballots if you ask for it. All of the rest of the states allow mail in ballots if you have a valid reason to need one.

Washington did a study in irregularities in their mail in ballots and found there were 159 irregularities in 2.5 million ballots. If I remember correctly, that was in 2012.

trump's bs about voter irregularities is exactly bs. He is right again. He is full of shit. He regularly votes by mail.

I live in Oregon. I am registered to vote automatically when I get a new license at the DMV. My ballot is mailed to me at my place of residence that I registered st the DMV. I csn deliver my ballot to a voting box, or I can drop it off at the County court house. I normally drop it off at the Court House. I can also mail it postage free via the Post Office from my home.

trump is attempting to get his uneducated base all excited about mail-in bsllots because he is losing this election big time.

If you believe his bs, you are part of his uneducated base. You should know where you stand with trump.
5 states, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Colorado and... (show quote)


marinevet 73: I think you know where you stand with the devil!

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Aug 1, 2020 15:22:18   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
lpnmajor wrote:
So the States that have been voting my mail since they became States, have been doing it all wrong? BTW, someone remind trump that absentee ballots.................................are mailed in.


Hey inept: There is a big difference between absentee and mail-in ballots!

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Aug 1, 2020 16:01:08   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
marinevet73 wrote:
5 states, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Colorado and Utah have mail in voting. Oregon was the first since 2000..

Many states have allowed mail in ballots if you ask for it. All of the rest of the states allow mail in ballots if you have a valid reason to need one.

Washington did a study in irregularities in their mail in ballots and found there were 159 irregularities in 2.5 million ballots. If I remember correctly, that was in 2012.

trump's bs about voter irregularities is exactly bs. He is right again. He is full of shit. He regularly votes by mail.

I live in Oregon. I am registered to vote automatically when I get a new license at the DMV. My ballot is mailed to me at my place of residence that I registered st the DMV. I csn deliver my ballot to a voting box, or I can drop it off at the County court house. I normally drop it off at the Court House. I can also mail it postage free via the Post Office from my home.

trump is attempting to get his uneducated base all excited about mail-in bsllots because he is losing this election big time.

If you believe his bs, you are part of his uneducated base. You should know where you stand with trump.
5 states, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Colorado and... (show quote)

The states that have mail in voting, have had years to prepare for it and iron out the bugs in the system. Absentee ballots, while being mailed in, have to be requested by the voter and there are relatively small number of votes cast this way. I believe it was Utah that I read about in the way they started vote by mail. They phased it in over the course of several elections. Mandating nationwide vote by mail at this late stage of the election is asking for trouble. Ballots need to be printed, mailed to voters in enough time to allow the voters to vote and return the ballots to the election office. There is also a lack of time for election offices to acquire more equipment and hire and train additional employees. Maybe we should have looked into vote by mail many years ago. We should vote in person. We seem to be able to reopen businesses and large protests/riots using social distancing, enhanced cleaning and mask wearing. The mask should be briefly removed to verify the voter's identity. I will exercise my civic duty by going to vote in person.

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Aug 1, 2020 22:07:20   #
marinevet73
 
Kickaha wrote:
The states that have mail in voting, have had years to prepare for it and iron out the bugs in the system. Absentee ballots, while being mailed in, have to be requested by the voter and there are relatively small number of votes cast this way. I believe it was Utah that I read about in the way they started vote by mail. They phased it in over the course of several elections. Mandating nationwide vote by mail at this late stage of the election is asking for trouble. Ballots need to be printed, mailed to voters in enough time to allow the voters to vote and return the ballots to the election office. There is also a lack of time for election offices to acquire more equipment and hire and train additional employees. Maybe we should have looked into vote by mail many years ago. We should vote in person. We seem to be able to reopen businesses and large protests/riots using social distancing, enhanced cleaning and mask wearing. The mask should be briefly removed to verify the voter's identity. I will exercise my civic duty by going to vote in person.
The states that have mail in voting, have had year... (show quote)


I agree with you. Mail in voting by the states that use it has been perfected over many years.

I sign checks with two different signatures. When I sign paychecks my signature is more of a line. When I sign normally it is a totally different signature. One time I signed my mail in ballot with my payroll signature, and the Secretary of State office called me to confirm my signature. They had confirmed my signature against my previous mail in and previous signatures at polling booths. They have this down to a fine art.

For most states, they don't require a reason to request a mail in, or absentee ballot. The rest of the states do required a valid reason to request a mail in, or absentee ballot. I bet they will accept Covid-19 as an acceptable reason.

For states who are not ready for mail in voting it will take them several days to report the vote. I think you are talking about days to get the exact vote, but so what? It will still be an accurate count.

The only reason we have historically final votes most election nights is because MSM predicts the results of each state in advance of the finsl counts. This year, they won't be able to do that. We may not know the final results for a week. Big deal! It will still be accurate. Plus, there will be actual ballots to count, not just electronic votes.

I don't see this as an insurmountable problem. Bzck in the later 1800's. It was the same way, once they got away from the representatives voting for the president.

If you want to vote in person, I respect your decision. I think you are going to have a hard time finding a place to vote. I remember the last time I went to my voting precinct to vote. All of the voting registering staff were older ladies. I will bet it was the same in your community. I also bet they won't be there this year. They are Covid-19 candidates. Good luck and stay healthy.

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Aug 2, 2020 03:04:48   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
marinevet73 wrote:
I agree with you. Mail in voting by the states that use it has been perfected over many years.

I sign checks with two different signatures. When I sign paychecks my signature is more of a line. When I sign normally it is a totally different signature. One time I signed my mail in ballot with my payroll signature, and the Secretary of State office called me to confirm my signature. They had confirmed my signature against my previous mail in and previous signatures at polling booths. They have this down to a fine art.

For most states, they don't require a reason to request a mail in, or absentee ballot. The rest of the states do required a valid reason to request a mail in, or absentee ballot. I bet they will accept Covid-19 as an acceptable reason.

For states who are not ready for mail in voting it will take them several days to report the vote. I think you are talking about days to get the exact vote, but so what? It will still be an accurate count.

The only reason we have historically final votes most election nights is because MSM predicts the results of each state in advance of the finsl counts. This year, they won't be able to do that. We may not know the final results for a week. Big deal! It will still be accurate. Plus, there will be actual ballots to count, not just electronic votes.

I don't see this as an insurmountable problem. Bzck in the later 1800's. It was the same way, once they got away from the representatives voting for the president.

If you want to vote in person, I respect your decision. I think you are going to have a hard time finding a place to vote. I remember the last time I went to my voting precinct to vote. All of the voting registering staff were older ladies. I will bet it was the same in your community. I also bet they won't be there this year. They are Covid-19 candidates. Good luck and stay healthy.
I agree with you. Mail in voting by the states th... (show quote)

I live in a small town and you're right the staff are older ladies. I don't like to think of them that way because they're not that much older than me. My grandma volunteered at the polls into her 90's. We've only had 8 covid-19 related deaths in my county and the mortality rate is about .03%. We're all pretty healthy here in farm country.

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Aug 2, 2020 03:23:55   #
marinevet73
 
Kickaha wrote:
I live in a small town and you're right the staff are older ladies. I don't like to think of them that way because they're not that much older than me. My grandma volunteered at the polls into her 90's. We've only had 8 covid-19 related deaths in my county and the mortality rate is about .03%. We're all pretty healthy here in farm country.


From what I hear, the major contributing factor to death for the average person is obesity. Above 30% bmi a person is plus 50%. Above a 40 bmi it is 90% fatality rate. That of course is before other problems. I have heart disease because I humped my butt through some jungle as a kid, so if I get it, I'm dead.

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