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Jul 31, 2020 17:38:28   #
DASHY
 
Larai wrote:
J, At this point, I am no longer gonna argue with libtard spew...it's a waste of perfectly good air... those "fact checkers" are LIBERAL!! Period!.. Jim Jordon Lit them UP while they were Under Oath.. but Libtards didnt' watch it, they just got the usual liberal 5 min of bullshit and call it gospel w/out looking it up, doing their own due diligence! They post bullshit and expect Us to research their bullshit!.. Speaking of sicko idiot losers....


I watched the hearings. Lunkheaded Jim Jordan lit them up with his boisterous, loudmouthed bully attitude, always looking for television footage. Jordan bullied, belittled, and attacked Dr. Fauci during the hearing on the coronavirus crisis. Jordan tried many times and failed many times to get Dr. Fauci to say protesters should be arrested for gathering during a pandemic. Dr. Fauci responded by simply stating the obvious to Jerky Jordan that he has nothing to do with the justice system.

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Jul 31, 2020 17:46:15   #
DASHY
 
jwrevagent wrote:
See, now I could buy all that, except the people telling us to wear masks, many do not wear them themselves; our "leaders" claim to have the virus, and that they are self quarantined, and when they are discovered out and about and unprotected, and are called out by a civilian, they turn on him! The people who tell us how to live and where to go and how to dress, and how many can meet together, make exceptions for rioters and looters and murderers, and for themselves, of course, while talking as though they are not. The hypocrisy and chutzpah is simply stunning! Thus, I do not believe they have anyone's best interest or safety at heart-but they want control of every thing in our lives-and we are complicit by continuing to listen and obey, and we continue to elect and reelect these liars and thieves.
See, now I could buy all that, except the people t... (show quote)


You will get your chance in November to pick someone new and more to your liking. You might make a good candidate for stepping up and making an attempt at good governing.

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Jul 31, 2020 17:55:24   #
DASHY
 
JFlorio wrote:
The clients I am referring to are doctors and nurses. They confirm that any death of Covid positive patients are to be listed as Covid being the underlying cause of death. Why would I listen to someone as obviously dumb as you about medical facts? You have no idea how childish you seem to the people on OPP do you? Once agin time to ignore idiots. Consider yourself warned.


I have never presented hearsay, gossip, rumor as medical fact. I am a minority poster on this board. People on OPP care little about actual facts.

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Jul 31, 2020 17:59:29   #
jwrevagent
 
DASHY wrote:
You will get your chance in November to pick someone new and more to your liking. You might make a good candidate for stepping up and making an attempt at good governing.


I think I am too old to run for any position.

I was in an elected position as town clerk for a couple of terms in WI. I am now 77, and I think I do not have all the stamina and quick thinking that would be required. I enjoyed politics, and I really enjoyed meeting all the people of the town, and asking for their vote. The incumbent had been in office for 27 years-never had an opponent, so I am sure he wondered if he would have been elected for so long if he had some competition. I was kind to him, understanding that he was deeply hurt-some one said he was a sore loser because he did not come and congratulate me, nor did he help me transition into the job, but I thought it was OK, because he stated the night before the election that I was no competition, and I beat him soundly.

I would certainly make calls, distribute tracts and work for any candidate that I thought had a work ethic and character strong enough to meet the challenges of an office. I do not have to support all the policies, or all the plans, or even all the opinions of a candidate, as long as I can in good conscience support the basics that he/she stand for. As it is, I usually have to hold my nose to vote, because lately one of the candidates has been so awful-in this case Biden-that I cannot sit by and not vote, though perhaps Trump would not be my first choice. But those are the choices we have so far-----and a Biden administration will be the most horrific thing to happen to this country ------ ever! My opinion, of course.

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Jul 31, 2020 18:14:52   #
DASHY
 
dtucker300 wrote:
There is nothing, no fact, that will satisfy you. Go away Troll! So far all you do is refute without providing evidence to support your hasty generalizations and faulty analogies.


Facts are good. Hearsay, gossip, rumor...not so good. Unless you are a true Trumpster. In that case, any deliberate lie or misleading claim that helps your cause if just fine. That's my opinion based on years of observing the Trump crime family in action and reading a few books on the subject of Trump being a complete failure.

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Jul 31, 2020 18:32:30   #
DASHY
 
jwrevagent wrote:
I think I am too old to run for any position.

I was in an elected position as town clerk for a couple of terms in WI. I am now 77, and I think I do not have all the stamina and quick thinking that would be required. I enjoyed politics, and I really enjoyed meeting all the people of the town, and asking for their vote. The incumbent had been in office for 27 years-never had an opponent, so I am sure he wondered if he would have been elected for so long if he had some competition. I was kind to him, understanding that he was deeply hurt-some one said he was a sore loser because he did not come and congratulate me, nor did he help me transition into the job, but I thought it was OK, because he stated the night before the election that I was no competition, and I beat him soundly.

I would certainly make calls, distribute tracts and work for any candidate that I thought had a work ethic and character strong enough to meet the challenges of an office. I do not have to support all the policies, or all the plans, or even all the opinions of a candidate, as long as I can in good conscience support the basics that he/she stand for. As it is, I usually have to hold my nose to vote, because lately one of the candidates has been so awful-in this case Biden-that I cannot sit by and not vote, though perhaps Trump would not be my first choice. But those are the choices we have so far-----and a Biden administration will be the most horrific thing to happen to this country ------ ever! My opinion, of course.
I think I am too old to run for any position. br ... (show quote)


Thanks for your opinion. I too held several elected positions, the last one was treasurer of the Board of Directors of my POA. I too enjoyed the experience and the lessons learned about how difficult it is satisfy the needs of a diverse bunch of people. It is hard work. You can tell by my posts that at this time I believe we have exactly the wrong guy in the White House. I am willing to work to change that.

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Jul 31, 2020 18:40:48   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
DASHY wrote:
I watched the hearings. Lunkheaded Jim Jordan lit them up with his boisterous, loudmouthed bully attitude, always looking for television footage. Jordan bullied, belittled, and attacked Dr. Fauci during the hearing on the coronavirus crisis. Jordan tried many times and failed many times to get Dr. Fauci to say protesters should be arrested for gathering during a pandemic. Dr. Fauci responded by simply stating the obvious to Jerky Jordan that he has nothing to do with the justice system.
Fauci Is a Deep State Fraud

The pandemic’s guru, unfortunately, behaves as an ordinary creature of the Washington swamp.
By Angelo Codevilla • July 10, 2020

I knew for sure that Anthony Fauci is a fraud after listening to him for about 10 seconds—as anyone who listens carefully would have known as well. President Trump had been charging the Chinese government with obscurancy and deception in its handling of the novel coronavirus outbreak. Fauci had dealt intimately with the Chinese on that matter. His National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the Centers for Disease Control had partially financed the notorious Wuhan laboratory where Chinese scientists were researching the virus. Fauci knew a lot.

A reporter asked Fauci if he agreed with Trump that the Chinese have not been fully forthcoming about the scope of the pandemic. Fauci answered that although the Chinese had lacked candor in previous years, this time they had turned over “the sequence of the virus.” Spoken like a wily swamp reptile!

His words were factually correct. The Chinese had turned over all they knew about the virus’s “sequence”—namely, its genetic structure. But the reporter and the audience neither knew nor cared about that. They were interested in the Chinese government’s misrepresentations of the virus’s contagion, fatality rate, and so forth. That is what they had dissembled and lied about.

Fauci’s answer artfully deceived the audience into believing the opposite of the truth. Thus did Fauci help plant a dagger between Trump’s shoulder blades and help his party—the Democrats and the deep state—extort the American people’s compliance to their agendas.

Deep State Doctor

Donald Trump’s decision to accredit Dr. Anthony Fauci as the COVID-19 pandemic’s guru is largely responsible for the extent of the panic that gripped America in the spring and now summer. Fauci is a bona fide graduate of medical school. Many attest to his earlier epidemiological brilliance. But none of the words by which he has helped inflict chaos on America have reflected either medical or epidemiological facts. Fauci has acted as, and has been, a politicized, partisan bureaucrat while pretending to be the disinterested authority of physicians and scientists.

The pretense that COVID-19 is something like, and hence is to be treated like, the plague is the essence of the scam that the deep state and the Democratic Party are perpetrating on America. Anthony Fauci’s pseudo-medical, pseudo-scientific pretense is the foremost pillar of that lie.

Sowing and maintaining confusion about the severity of cases of COVID-19 infections—indeed, about the very meaning of the word “case”—has been the heart of that lie.

Understanding the truth begins with comparing the infection/fatality rate (IFR) of ordinary seasonal flu, 0.01 percent, with that of the bubonic plague or smallpox—around 30 percent—and then realizing that COVID-19’s IFR is roughly that of the flu.

Although Fauci was not the sole author of the confusion, he surely was most influential in spreading it. And it was a lie, because by January Fauci knew that, despite the Chinese government’s indications and media management to the contrary, COVID-19 was what we in the West have since learned from experience: deadly to the very old and otherwise compromised, but milder than most flu strains for just about everyone else.

That knowledge notwithstanding, Fauci concurred with the mathematical modelers’ dire forecasts of frightful across-the-board mortality rates. He substantiated their (baseless) assumptions of an IFR around 5 percent for everyone by citing as a “case” any sick person who tested positive for the virus or who had a fever, cough, and other respiratory symptoms like those caused by the virus. He then agreed that all such persons who died should have their deaths attributed to the virus.

In late March, Fauci convinced President Trump that a wave of such deadly “cases” would overwhelm America’s healthcare system unless Americans huddled at home. Trump agreed. (Remember, “15 Days to Slow the Spread”?) Thereafter, the lockdowns took on a momentum of their own.
Mindless Momentum

So mindless of reality was this momentum that it shoved aside the only medical fact that made any difference, namely, the vulnerability of old, fragile people. Hence, Fauci’s CDC, all keen to free up hospital space, advised state and local health systems to transfer all manner of patients into nursing homes and long-term care facilities.

Thus did Fauci’s CDC become the efficient cause of the holocaust that killed perhaps 60,000 practically captive old folks.

By mid-April however, as the great wave simply was not happening, any number of independent studies were establishing COVID-19’s true, low IFR. Fauci retreated, no longer linking “cases” to deaths, he used the panic he had helped foment and the credit that Trump had naively given him, to finagle Trump into agreeing to a staged plan to end the lockdowns which, upon closer look, was really a plan for perpetuating them regardless of what happened.

The essence of this fraud is the pretense that all COVID-19 infections are “cases” requiring sequestration and quarantine, even if they involve persons to whom the virus poses no danger—i.e., nearly all Americans. To keep down the number of “cases” Fauci now preaches, Americans must be willing to accept any number of arbitrary restrictions, not least of which is superintendence by “contact tracers” empowered to allow or disallow anyone from ordinary employment and human contact.

To grasp Fauci’s dishonesty—being anything but ignorant, he knows exactly what he is doing—we need not recall his self-contradictions regarding the wearing of masks or regarding the risks associated with Holy Communion versus sex with strangers. Let us only recall what this board-certified physician has said and done about the drug hydroxychloroquine.

This standard antimalarial drug’s usefulness against COVID-19 was discovered accidentally as physicians around the world found it useful for treating patients, especially in the disease’s early and mid-stages. President Trump praised it.

The deep state howled. Fauci tried to backstab Trump by pointing out that the drug had not been specifically approved to treat COVID-19. Reporters refused to accept a backhanded put-down. When one asked whether he would take the drug were he infected with COVID-19, Fauci said yes, but qualified that he would do so only as part of an FDA study. Later, as the deep state’s campaign against “Trump’s drug” produced studies obviously biased against it, Fauci happily retreated to saying that the drug was now off the table.

But by June, as major peer-reviewed studies confirmed hydroxychloroquine’s usefulness, Fauci remained silent. He was doing the best he could for his class. Not for us.

This is not how scientists behave. Much less is it how doctors behave who take seriously the Hippocratic Oath. Fauci, unfortunately, behaves as an ordinary creature of the Washington swamp.

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Jul 31, 2020 23:18:41   #
Redangel62
 
Larai wrote:
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/breitbart-breaking-american-doctors-addresss-covid-19-misinformation_u1PdQHs3MvWHOHc.html?fbclid=IwAR3OK1DJuVS31CoehnIh7J0h225Uh9Tbg71vNw5DKC3YxR0XM5X1445mM4U


The one lady doctor who worked in a emergency room was fired for speaking out. The lady from Cameroon got her Twitter suspended. We now have socialized medical now after all this medical tyranny. Our government now makes our medical decisions

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Jul 31, 2020 23:37:35   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Redangel62 wrote:
The one lady doctor who worked in a emergency room was fired for speaking out. The lady from Cameroon got her Twitter suspended. We now have socialized medical now after all this medical tyranny. Our government now makes our medical decisions


Yes.. who are they to deem what is essential and what is not...I'd say heart surgery, cancer & chemo.. are NOT Non essential.. they are all way out of line.. *sighs* I know I have to walk away from this for this evening.. it's spiked my blood pressure more times than I care to count...and I have low normal b/p... Have a nice evening Redangel

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Aug 1, 2020 00:53:30   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Larai wrote:
Hey there J.. Good to see ya!

I know...sad..and kinda pisses me off.. I don't really wanna go all conspiracy theory.. but feels like they are tryin to kill off anyone over the age of 60.. so that way no one remembers how it used to be.. no one will be alive to tell our history..and all the knocking down of statues, tryin to strip our history good bad or ugly is a heinous tragedy... China got a head start with it's own people, and we know about the population problem there... Not saying it's fact.. but damn sure appears that way.. "The Most vulnerable among us" My Pop is 80 he's VERY compromised health wise.. he wears an oxygen mask all day..24/7/365 could be why he's dodged this bullet, my mom is also compromised and has been my pop's caregiver, goin out in the world to take care of business.. she literally has to strip her clothes before she comes in the house and wipes everything down from the store.. even though we now know it doesn't stay on surfaces as long as it was first told..

Libs hate it ONLY because president Trump recommended it Period Full stop!
Hey there J.. Good to see ya! br br I know...sad... (show quote)


My son says they are that they have made remarks about old people being a drag on the system and costing to much. Look at how well new york did less then a week later he was saying they were going to take over the veterans nursing home because it was costing to much never heard any more dont think he can touch a federal building that houses them

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Aug 1, 2020 01:06:06   #
useful mattoid 45
 
DASHY wrote:
Trump has already done a good job of allowing Covid to kill Americans. We are number one in the world. Trump loves being number one.


Trump's lack of leadership is the problem.

Other world leaders modeled and made rules for safe behaviour during the early days.

The leaders like Bolsinaro, Drumph, Putin, Erdoğan, et al thought they could be tough guys and scare the pandemic away.

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Aug 1, 2020 01:10:07   #
useful mattoid 45
 
DASHY wrote:
I have never presented hearsay, gossip, rumor as medical fact. I am a minority poster on this board. People on OPP care little about actual facts.


That last sentence is truly a good observation. I'd have added "most" before People.

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Aug 1, 2020 01:41:27   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
DASHY wrote:
It's about trying to CONTROL the spread of a deadly virus. Rules, like wearing face masks and practicing social distancing, are put in place to help keep us safe. They act like stop signs at busy intersections. Do we really want to remove all these stop signs? After all, don't we all have the right to drive at top speed through all these public crossroads? We don't see protesters lining up on street corners demanding their right to cross anytime they please. We simply accept stop signs as a fair safety precaution.
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Aug 1, 2020 02:05:13   #
Larai Loc: Fallon, NV
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Fauci Is a Deep State Fraud

The pandemic’s guru, unfortunately, behaves as an ordinary creature of the Washington swamp.
By Angelo Codevilla • July 10, 2020

I knew for sure that Anthony Fauci is a fraud after listening to him for about 10 seconds—as anyone who listens carefully would have known as well. President Trump had been charging the Chinese government with obscurancy and deception in its handling of the novel coronavirus outbreak. Fauci had dealt intimately with the Chinese on that matter. His National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the Centers for Disease Control had partially financed the notorious Wuhan laboratory where Chinese scientists were researching the virus. Fauci knew a lot.

A reporter asked Fauci if he agreed with Trump that the Chinese have not been fully forthcoming about the scope of the pandemic. Fauci answered that although the Chinese had lacked candor in previous years, this time they had turned over “the sequence of the virus.” Spoken like a wily swamp reptile!

His words were factually correct. The Chinese had turned over all they knew about the virus’s “sequence”—namely, its genetic structure. But the reporter and the audience neither knew nor cared about that. They were interested in the Chinese government’s misrepresentations of the virus’s contagion, fatality rate, and so forth. That is what they had dissembled and lied about.

Fauci’s answer artfully deceived the audience into believing the opposite of the truth. Thus did Fauci help plant a dagger between Trump’s shoulder blades and help his party—the Democrats and the deep state—extort the American people’s compliance to their agendas.

Deep State Doctor

Donald Trump’s decision to accredit Dr. Anthony Fauci as the COVID-19 pandemic’s guru is largely responsible for the extent of the panic that gripped America in the spring and now summer. Fauci is a bona fide graduate of medical school. Many attest to his earlier epidemiological brilliance. But none of the words by which he has helped inflict chaos on America have reflected either medical or epidemiological facts. Fauci has acted as, and has been, a politicized, partisan bureaucrat while pretending to be the disinterested authority of physicians and scientists.

The pretense that COVID-19 is something like, and hence is to be treated like, the plague is the essence of the scam that the deep state and the Democratic Party are perpetrating on America. Anthony Fauci’s pseudo-medical, pseudo-scientific pretense is the foremost pillar of that lie.

Sowing and maintaining confusion about the severity of cases of COVID-19 infections—indeed, about the very meaning of the word “case”—has been the heart of that lie.

Understanding the truth begins with comparing the infection/fatality rate (IFR) of ordinary seasonal flu, 0.01 percent, with that of the bubonic plague or smallpox—around 30 percent—and then realizing that COVID-19’s IFR is roughly that of the flu.

Although Fauci was not the sole author of the confusion, he surely was most influential in spreading it. And it was a lie, because by January Fauci knew that, despite the Chinese government’s indications and media management to the contrary, COVID-19 was what we in the West have since learned from experience: deadly to the very old and otherwise compromised, but milder than most flu strains for just about everyone else.

That knowledge notwithstanding, Fauci concurred with the mathematical modelers’ dire forecasts of frightful across-the-board mortality rates. He substantiated their (baseless) assumptions of an IFR around 5 percent for everyone by citing as a “case” any sick person who tested positive for the virus or who had a fever, cough, and other respiratory symptoms like those caused by the virus. He then agreed that all such persons who died should have their deaths attributed to the virus.

In late March, Fauci convinced President Trump that a wave of such deadly “cases” would overwhelm America’s healthcare system unless Americans huddled at home. Trump agreed. (Remember, “15 Days to Slow the Spread”?) Thereafter, the lockdowns took on a momentum of their own.
Mindless Momentum

So mindless of reality was this momentum that it shoved aside the only medical fact that made any difference, namely, the vulnerability of old, fragile people. Hence, Fauci’s CDC, all keen to free up hospital space, advised state and local health systems to transfer all manner of patients into nursing homes and long-term care facilities.

Thus did Fauci’s CDC become the efficient cause of the holocaust that killed perhaps 60,000 practically captive old folks.

By mid-April however, as the great wave simply was not happening, any number of independent studies were establishing COVID-19’s true, low IFR. Fauci retreated, no longer linking “cases” to deaths, he used the panic he had helped foment and the credit that Trump had naively given him, to finagle Trump into agreeing to a staged plan to end the lockdowns which, upon closer look, was really a plan for perpetuating them regardless of what happened.

The essence of this fraud is the pretense that all COVID-19 infections are “cases” requiring sequestration and quarantine, even if they involve persons to whom the virus poses no danger—i.e., nearly all Americans. To keep down the number of “cases” Fauci now preaches, Americans must be willing to accept any number of arbitrary restrictions, not least of which is superintendence by “contact tracers” empowered to allow or disallow anyone from ordinary employment and human contact.

To grasp Fauci’s dishonesty—being anything but ignorant, he knows exactly what he is doing—we need not recall his self-contradictions regarding the wearing of masks or regarding the risks associated with Holy Communion versus sex with strangers. Let us only recall what this board-certified physician has said and done about the drug hydroxychloroquine.

This standard antimalarial drug’s usefulness against COVID-19 was discovered accidentally as physicians around the world found it useful for treating patients, especially in the disease’s early and mid-stages. President Trump praised it.

The deep state howled. Fauci tried to backstab Trump by pointing out that the drug had not been specifically approved to treat COVID-19. Reporters refused to accept a backhanded put-down. When one asked whether he would take the drug were he infected with COVID-19, Fauci said yes, but qualified that he would do so only as part of an FDA study. Later, as the deep state’s campaign against “Trump’s drug” produced studies obviously biased against it, Fauci happily retreated to saying that the drug was now off the table.

But by June, as major peer-reviewed studies confirmed hydroxychloroquine’s usefulness, Fauci remained silent. He was doing the best he could for his class. Not for us.

This is not how scientists behave. Much less is it how doctors behave who take seriously the Hippocratic Oath. Fauci, unfortunately, behaves as an ordinary creature of the Washington swamp.
i b Fauci Is a Deep State Fraud /b br br The p... (show quote)


Very well said!.. I Agree 100%. As you said at the beginning of your post, I also knew w/in 10 seconds that Fauci is a liar and deep state stooge!.. And will probably, when all is said and done be their sacrificial lamb, patsy, call it what ya want..in short they'll throw him under a bus at some point.

While I believe this virus is real, I haven't found it to be nearly as detrimental as the regular flu.. or pneumonia, Hepatitis C is a nasty bugger too, been there done that 10 months of an antiviral called interferon/copegus ribavirin, which is a blood born & fluid transfered virus..I've been in what is called a "sustained viral response" Or remission of a sort.. I am Not taking the new "cure" vaccine from Bill Gates/Fauci... I'll be taking a hard pass on that as well as the regular flu shot, which my oncologist informed me wasn't actually for this past flu season's flu.. although I will say I haven't been sick with a cold or flu since my chemo.. same went for the hep c regimen.. after the hep c regimen I didn't get sick with anything for like 4 years or so..If I do get sick, I'll ask my doc to prescribe HQC.. Hydroxychloroquine.

As I said a couple pages ago.. I told my doc that I believe the reason I haven't been sick with either cold or flu was because the chemo killed what ever tried to get into my body.. he didn't say I was wrong... I asked him if I was in remission from my cancer, he said he'd like to say definitively yes, but that I still have a ways to go, NOT the answer I was expecting after a year.. but blood work looked good he said.. Oh..and still not sick with anything currently..

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Aug 1, 2020 02:09:59   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Larai wrote:
Very well said!.. I Agree 100%. As you said at the beginning of your post, I also knew w/in 10 seconds that Fauci is a liar and deep state stooge!.. And will probably, when all is said and done be their sacrificial lamb, patsy, call it what ya want..in short they'll throw him under a bus at some point.

While I believe this virus is real, I haven't found it to be nearly as detrimental as the regular flu.. or pneumonia, Hepatitis C is a nasty bugger too, been there done that 10 months of an antiviral called interferon/copegus ribavirin, which is a blood born & fluid transfered virus..I've been in what is called a "sustained viral response" Or remission of a sort.. I am Not taking the new "cure" vaccine from Bill Gates/Fauci... I'll be taking a hard pass on that as well as the regular flu shot, which my oncologist informed me wasn't actually for this past flu season's flu.. although I will say I haven't been sick with a cold or flu since my chemo.. same went for the hep c regimen.. after the hep c regimen I didn't get sick with anything for like 4 years or so..If I do get sick, I'll ask my doc to prescribe HQC.. Hydroxychloroquine.

As I said a couple pages ago.. I told my doc that I believe the reason I haven't been sick with either cold or flu was because the chemo killed what ever tried to get into my body.. he didn't say I was wrong... I asked him if I was in remission from my cancer, he said he'd like to say definitively yes, but that I still have a ways to go, NOT the answer I was expecting after a year.. but blood work looked good he said.. Oh..and still not sick with anything currently..
Very well said!.. I Agree 100%. As you said at th... (show quote)



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