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Jul 24, 2020 13:21:26   #
Lonewolf
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
lonie: you have proven to be unfit to write on OPP. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty! Trump was proven innocent, and you know that! Look up the meaning of impeachment!


he still remains impeached
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-trump-impeached-house-of-representatives

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Jul 24, 2020 13:49:26   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
You goofy people who say trump was not impeached.. that has to mean that Clinton was also not impeached..

Now, talk around that for a while..

You can not have it both way..

History says they were both impeached.. Clinton because he got a blow job and lied about it..

Trump's impeachment came after a formal House inquiry alleged that he had solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. p**********l e******n to help his re-e******n bid, and then obstructed the inquiry itself by telling his administration officials to ignore subpoenas for documents and testimony.

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Jul 24, 2020 17:02:54   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
trump was impeached.. he was not removed..

The same as Clinton and Johnson..


Clinton did not run for office after his impeachment, he had already served two terms..


See? Was that so hard? If you stick with facts, and avoid opinions, you do alright.

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Jul 24, 2020 17:17:29   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
You goofy people who say trump was not impeached.. that has to mean that Clinton was also not impeached..

Now, talk around that for a while..

You can not have it both way..

History says they were both impeached.. Clinton because he got a blow job and lied about it..

Trump's impeachment came after a formal House inquiry alleged that he had solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. p**********l e******n to help his re-e******n bid, and then obstructed the inquiry itself by telling his administration officials to ignore subpoenas for documents and testimony.
You goofy people who say trump was not impeached..... (show quote)


Has anyone denied that President Trump was impeached? If so, I have not seen it. He absolutely was, and is now the third President in history to have been impeached. So what? Is he supposed to hang his head in shame over a ridiculous charge from his political enemies that could not be proved? I do not know if he is technically innocent, or if it should be called not guilty, but his authority was not diminished one iota. Contrary wise, every man, woman, and child bright enough to tie their shoes KNOWS it was a partisan plot to try and undo the 2016 e******n. The only question each citizen has to ask themselves is: Do I approve of such slimy tactics to undo a legitimately won e******n?

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Jul 24, 2020 17:31:28   #
Lonewolf
 
JFlorio wrote:
Actually he wasn't found guilty in the House of anything. The Senate is the trial. Try to keep up snowflake.


The house impeached him what part of that do you not understand

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Jul 24, 2020 17:40:10   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Lonewolf wrote:
he was impeached and still is
How does impeachment work?

Impeachment was established by the framers of the Constitution as a way to accuse a president of a crime and to hold a trial to determine if he is guilty of that crime. The Constitution lays out two specific actions, treason and bribery, that could lead to impeachment and removal of a president from office.

The system also allows for a broader category to accuse a president of crime, although that category is more vague.

A president can also be charged with and found guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors." What exactly constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors is not defined in the Constitution, making impeachment on that basis more difficult.

By design, it is not easy to get rid of a president. Here are the steps in the process for impeaching a president:

First, an impeachment resolution must be introduced by a member of the House of Representatives.
The speaker of the House must then direct the U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary (or a special committee) to hold a hearing on the resolution to decide whether to put the measure to a v**e by the full chamber and when to hold such a v**e.
A simple majority of the Judiciary Committee must approve the resolution.
If the Judiciary Committee approves the resolution, it moves to a full v**e on the House floor.
If a simple majority of the those present and v****g in the House approve an article of impeachment, then the president is impeached.
The procedure then moves to the Senate where a "trial" is held to determine if the president committed a crime. There is no set procedure for the trial. How it is conducted would be set by the Senate leadership.
Members of the House serve as "managers" in the Senate trial. Managers serve a similar role as prosecutors do in a criminal trial, they present evidence during the procedure.
The president would have counsel to represent him at the Senate process.
The chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court presides over the trial.
Senators listen to the evidence presented, including closing arguments from each side and retire to deliberate.
Senators then reconvene and v**e on whether the president is guilty or not guilty of the crimes he is accused of. It takes a two-thirds v**e of the Senate to convict. If the president is found guilty, he is removed from office and the vice president is sworn-in as president.
The hearing in the Senate, along with a charge in the House that the president has committed a crime is not a legal one. No penalty, other than removal from office, is brought against a president in an impeachment hearing.


Impeachment trials have been held twice in the country’s history -- for President Andrew Johnson and for President Bill Clinton -- and both ended in acquittals: meaning the presidents were impeached by the House, but not convicted and removed from office by the Senate.

One v**e kept Johnson from being convicted of firing the secretary of war in 1868, which went against a tenure act.

In 1999, the Senate was 22 v**es shy of convicting Clinton of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones.

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he was impeached and still is br How does impeach... (show quote)


LOL! Who found all that for you? As I said the President was not found guilty of any high crimes or misdemeanors.

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Jul 24, 2020 17:43:11   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Lonewolf wrote:
The house impeached him what part of that do you not understand


I understand it perfectly. the closest comparison we have in the non-political universe is the one I gave you. A Grand Jury and then a trial. You can "trump" this up all you want but as Randy said, So what? Means nothing and you know it. Look you are probably gonna get your wish and have a Biden presidency. Our country will be economically and socially devastated. Hope you survive it. I am prepared.

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Jul 24, 2020 18:09:50   #
Lonewolf
 
JFlorio wrote:
I understand it perfectly. the closest comparison we have in the non-political universe is the one I gave you. A Grand Jury and then a trial. You can "trump" this up all you want but as Randy said, So what? Means nothing and you know it. Look you are probably gonna get your wish and have a Biden presidency. Our country will be economically and socially devastated. Hope you survive it. I am prepared.


I'll be fine thanks for your concern

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Jul 24, 2020 18:41:11   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Lonewolf wrote:
he was impeached and still is
How does impeachment work?

Impeachment was established by the framers of the Constitution as a way to accuse a president of a crime and to hold a trial to determine if he is guilty of that crime. The Constitution lays out two specific actions, treason and bribery, that could lead to impeachment and removal of a president from office.

The system also allows for a broader category to accuse a president of crime, although that category is more vague.

A president can also be charged with and found guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors." What exactly constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors is not defined in the Constitution, making impeachment on that basis more difficult.

By design, it is not easy to get rid of a president. Here are the steps in the process for impeaching a president:

First, an impeachment resolution must be introduced by a member of the House of Representatives.
The speaker of the House must then direct the U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary (or a special committee) to hold a hearing on the resolution to decide whether to put the measure to a v**e by the full chamber and when to hold such a v**e.
A simple majority of the Judiciary Committee must approve the resolution.
If the Judiciary Committee approves the resolution, it moves to a full v**e on the House floor.
If a simple majority of the those present and v****g in the House approve an article of impeachment, then the president is impeached.
The procedure then moves to the Senate where a "trial" is held to determine if the president committed a crime. There is no set procedure for the trial. How it is conducted would be set by the Senate leadership.
Members of the House serve as "managers" in the Senate trial. Managers serve a similar role as prosecutors do in a criminal trial, they present evidence during the procedure.
The president would have counsel to represent him at the Senate process.
The chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court presides over the trial.
Senators listen to the evidence presented, including closing arguments from each side and retire to deliberate.
Senators then reconvene and v**e on whether the president is guilty or not guilty of the crimes he is accused of. It takes a two-thirds v**e of the Senate to convict. If the president is found guilty, he is removed from office and the vice president is sworn-in as president.
The hearing in the Senate, along with a charge in the House that the president has committed a crime is not a legal one. No penalty, other than removal from office, is brought against a president in an impeachment hearing.


Impeachment trials have been held twice in the country’s history -- for President Andrew Johnson and for President Bill Clinton -- and both ended in acquittals: meaning the presidents were impeached by the House, but not convicted and removed from office by the Senate.

One v**e kept Johnson from being convicted of firing the secretary of war in 1868, which went against a tenure act.

In 1999, the Senate was 22 v**es shy of convicting Clinton of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones.

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he was impeached and still is br How does impeach... (show quote)
I know this is tough for you, but try to edit your posts before hitting "Send". You've got a pile of garbage stacked in your post that wasn't necessary.

Yeah, I got the impeachment thing. Obviously you don't.

Article 1, Section 2, para 5 of the US Constitution gives the HOR sole power of impeachment. (A House committee impeachment hearing IS NOT a criminal proceeding),

Article 1, Section 3, para 6 of the US Constitution gives the senate the sole power to try all impeachments. (A senate trial IS NOT a criminal prosecution),

The impeachment process as established by the Constitution is a POLITICAL process only. And, contrary to your post, this process is LEGAL. After all, the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

Article 2, section 4 of the US Constitution establishes the standards for bringing charges for impeachment, it is very specific, it -

* DOES NOT establish congress as a criminal court,
* DOES NOT establish a way to accuse a president of a crime,
* DOES NOT include a broader category to accuse a president of crime,

Article 2, section 4 of the US Constitution - The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or OTHER high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The word "OTHER" simply means that high Crimes and Misdemeanors must be equal in seriousness to Treason and Bribery.

The Articles of Impeachment filed by the HOR against president Trump DO NOT meet the standards for impeachment as established by the Constitution of the United States. Congressional democrats attempts to criminalize the impeachment process is not only a violation of the Constitution but an egregious ideologically driven crime.

Constitution 101: The Meaning and History of the Constitution

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Jul 24, 2020 19:16:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Has anyone denied that President Trump was impeached? If so, I have not seen it. He absolutely was, and is now the third President in history to have been impeached. So what? Is he supposed to hang his head in shame over a ridiculous charge from his political enemies that could not be proved? I do not know if he is technically innocent, or if it should be called not guilty, but his authority was not diminished one iota. Contrary wise, every man, woman, and child bright enough to tie their shoes KNOWS it was a partisan plot to try and undo the 2016 e******n. The only question each citizen has to ask themselves is: Do I approve of such slimy tactics to undo a legitimately won e******n?
Has anyone denied that President Trump was impeach... (show quote)


the plot was by McConnell and the senate who refused to have a trial.. anounced weeks before hand that they were cooperating with the white house.. Imangine. a senator saying she would not v**e the remove trump because he must have learned his lesson and would behave better from now on..

Lord the stone cold corruption and the orange cult loves.. but time in nearly gone..

can trump team think up enough dirty politics to get back in the running?

Well they are the dirtiest bunch in american history so perhaps they can..

I will not relax until Nov 3rd late night..

BTW, someone did indeed say he was not impeached because the senate did not remove him..

My original remarks were that if that were the case, then Bill Clinton was not impeached either..

I stand by that.. obviously and truly both were impeached as was Johnson..

harbor side of Duluth, waiting out the rain...
harbor side of Duluth, waiting out the rain......

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Jul 24, 2020 20:08:34   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
the plot was by McConnell and the senate who refused to have a trial.. anounced weeks before hand that they were cooperating with the white house.. Imangine. a senator saying she would not v**e the remove trump because he must have learned his lesson and would behave better from now on..

Lord the stone cold corruption and the orange cult loves.. but time in nearly gone..

can trump team think up enough dirty politics to get back in the running?

Well they are the dirtiest bunch in american history so perhaps they can..

I will not relax until Nov 3rd late night..

BTW, someone did indeed say he was not impeached because the senate did not remove him..

My original remarks were that if that were the case, then Bill Clinton was not impeached either..

I stand by that.. obviously and truly both were impeached as was Johnson..
the plot was by McConnell and the senate who refus... (show quote)


Neither well thought out, nor well stated.
Please read Bladerunners fine explanation of the articles of impeachment in the constitution.
And how can ANYone with a shred of sense or self respect possibly look at what the democrat leadership has done over the past 25 years and point fingers at the republican party and say "dirty politics". There is absolutely no comparison. The republicans are no saints, but they are compared to the lying, scheming, fact distorting, hypocrites that have taken over a once respected democrat party! "The end justifies the means." "don't let a crisis go to waste." "harrass Trump.s administration at home and in restruants and at stores". Give me a break!

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Jul 25, 2020 06:09:15   #
Big Kahuna
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Trump has proved himself unfit to lead


If a President is impeached by erroneous information that was known to be erroneous (the Russian Collusion delusion) by the House of Representatives (Adam schitt, Nanny peeloosli, Chucky boy Schumer knew the Steele dosier was bogus to name a few), then those congressional members should be automatically kicked out of office, pay hefty fines and be sentenced to at least 5 years in prison for defamation, s******n and slander. The president might even be given an extended time in office to offset the 3 years that the demorat party spent on the false impeachment. This would stop the dem party from pulling their nefarious stunts in the future. Trump should serve at least 3 years and probably 4 years on top of his 4 years when he wins re-e******n in 2020. Trump should serve for 12 years then because of demorat malfeasance.

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Jul 25, 2020 06:14:40   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Lonewolf wrote:
he was impeached and still is
How does impeachment work?

Impeachment was established by the framers of the Constitution as a way to accuse a president of a crime and to hold a trial to determine if he is guilty of that crime. The Constitution lays out two specific actions, treason and bribery, that could lead to impeachment and removal of a president from office.

The system also allows for a broader category to accuse a president of crime, although that category is more vague.

A president can also be charged with and found guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanors." What exactly constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors is not defined in the Constitution, making impeachment on that basis more difficult.

By design, it is not easy to get rid of a president. Here are the steps in the process for impeaching a president:

First, an impeachment resolution must be introduced by a member of the House of Representatives.
The speaker of the House must then direct the U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary (or a special committee) to hold a hearing on the resolution to decide whether to put the measure to a v**e by the full chamber and when to hold such a v**e.
A simple majority of the Judiciary Committee must approve the resolution.
If the Judiciary Committee approves the resolution, it moves to a full v**e on the House floor.
If a simple majority of the those present and v****g in the House approve an article of impeachment, then the president is impeached.
The procedure then moves to the Senate where a "trial" is held to determine if the president committed a crime. There is no set procedure for the trial. How it is conducted would be set by the Senate leadership.
Members of the House serve as "managers" in the Senate trial. Managers serve a similar role as prosecutors do in a criminal trial, they present evidence during the procedure.
The president would have counsel to represent him at the Senate process.
The chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court presides over the trial.
Senators listen to the evidence presented, including closing arguments from each side and retire to deliberate.
Senators then reconvene and v**e on whether the president is guilty or not guilty of the crimes he is accused of. It takes a two-thirds v**e of the Senate to convict. If the president is found guilty, he is removed from office and the vice president is sworn-in as president.
The hearing in the Senate, along with a charge in the House that the president has committed a crime is not a legal one. No penalty, other than removal from office, is brought against a president in an impeachment hearing.


Impeachment trials have been held twice in the country’s history -- for President Andrew Johnson and for President Bill Clinton -- and both ended in acquittals: meaning the presidents were impeached by the House, but not convicted and removed from office by the Senate.

One v**e kept Johnson from being convicted of firing the secretary of war in 1868, which went against a tenure act.

In 1999, the Senate was 22 v**es shy of convicting Clinton of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones.

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he was impeached and still is br How does impeach... (show quote)


Seems ready for the looney bin.

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Jul 25, 2020 06:18:03   #
Big Kahuna
 
permafrost wrote:
trump was impeached.. he was not removed..

The same as Clinton and Johnson..


Clinton did not run for office after his impeachment, he had already served two terms..


Only one serious problem with the impeachment. Your rapist boy, Billy Bob KKKlinton was indeed guilty and should have not only been impeached but thrown out of office except the demorat senators who had the majority in the Senate loved criminals.Trump was impeached for a bogus charge and the demonrats knew it with the f**e Steele dossier funded by Hitlery KKKlinton. All this is still coming out and bathhouse boy ovommit/Slo Joe Bribum themselves were in on the whole s**m. Ovommit now has Ovommitgate to worry about while Slo Joe has Ovommitgate and Ukrainegate to worry about beside losing his demented mind which you should be worried about.

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Jul 25, 2020 07:46:34   #
Radiance3
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Trump has proved himself unfit to lead

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I think you have lost your shame. I believe you are a free loader. Who are you? A member of the terrorist B*M's? What made you decide that president president Trump must not run for ree******n? He is the most qualified and best president that this country has ever have. Are you so afraid that he is going to clean up the B*M terrorists? I think he will, be prepared for that.

The terrorist B*M's have done so much damages to this country already. They have k**led and injured so many thousands of law abiding citizens, and law enforcement officers. already.

President Trump will clean those B*M mobs/thugs/l**ters, stealers, burglars, criminals, drug dealers, drug addicts, anarchists.

So you think the impostor Obama from Kenya is qualified? Born in Kenya as reported by his grandma and half brother. Where is his real BC? Grandmas don't lie.

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