And left wing extremists usually use your method to try to cover up what is being said. Did you notice that the lady had discovered the hard way that Obama couldn't supply here gasoline and mortgage payments? Do you remember that she took her small daughter out of school to attend that rally she spouted those words at?

Now that I have the topic back on the woman who said the words indicated maybe you can go off left leaning procedure and discuss the fact that many people have seen that they were wrong back there in 2008.

What jumped out for me from what you said is the naïve thought that some of us do not lie. Is lying bad? If you your wife asks you if she is getting fat or if your son asks you if you like the his French horn playing in the living room. To say that there is someone out there it the real world that doesn't lie is terribly naïve. For starters, we want people to lie to us and we certainly must be aware that it would be virtually impossible for someone to get elected to major offices without telling us mostly what we want to hear, regardless what is true.

We were quick to absolve Bush of responsibility for lying about the weapons of mass destruction and Lyndon Johnson for lying about the Bay of Tonkin.

How do you define a lie? For me, it is saying something that we know at the time we say it is not true and it is said to manipulate us and it is significant.

I think that if a politician you support tells you something that is not true or turns out not to be true, you probably wouldn't think it was a lie. If a politician you didn't support said exactly the same thing, you would more than likely think it was an impeachable offense.

Let's be real: all humans lie and we often want them to. The important issue is, how important is the lie, For what purpose is the lie, and is the liar a Republican or Democrat?

A note: When I was in kindergarten, just before Christmas, my father sat me on his knee and told me there is no Santa Clause and I couldn't tell anyone else because they had been told something that wasn't true. I felt on top of the world because I knew the t***h and my other kindergarteners were being lied to and didn't know it.

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Sorry to disappoint you but I don't save every article I read. I do believe it was last year when that ad was exposed. The woman in it was hired. After doing the math, journalists discovered that she was paying no more than her previous insurance premiums.

Can you really believe a person stupid enough to have created her fantasy. Did she really think he was creating a utopia? A child wouldn't fall for that. I maintain she was also paid and the TPers truly need some new propagandists. Their present ones seem to be unable to come up with anything new. :lol: :lol: :lol:

What proof did the little boy, you, have that his father told him the t***h and others were being lied to? Oh yeah, you found out later that he told you the t***h but did he tell you that because he couldn't afford to buy you presents and wouldn't steal to get them?

The fact that Democat politicians continually lie about so many things must hurt you a lot. When I get those e-mails from them, daily, filled with the same lies, day after day, I have to wonder just how stupid they think their sheeple are.

Ben Carson adds nothing new to the conservation just regurgitation of the same old right wing rhetoric that I've heard for 55 years. Conservatives add nothing because that thinking is anti progress. always has been and always will be, Conservatives depend on every one forgetting their past failed positions such as trickle down economics which looks worse as time goes on. A new consensus eventually forms around some view that conservatives once opposed and the old conservative ideas are so discredited that even conservatives no longer try to defend them

What proof did the little boy, you, have that his father told him the t***h and others were being lied to? Oh yeah, you found out later that he told you the t***h but did he tell you that because he couldn't afford to buy you presents and wouldn't steal to get them?

The fact that Democat politicians continually lie about so many things must hurt you a lot. When I get those e-mails from them, daily, filled with the same lies, day after day, I have to wonder just how stupid they think their sheeple are.

What happened to Detroit was a flight by auto makers in a race to the bottom in search of cheaper labor and white flight to the suburbs. The city building a new downtown Ice Hockey arena for the billionaire owner of the Detroit Rd Wings and hundreds of thousands of people moving out in search of work with an erosion of the tax based.. It's more complicated than a democratic mentality. Do you think an aristocratic conservative mentality is better and that we should continue to believe in a flat earth