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Jun 30, 2020 18:57:36   #
Carol Kelly
 
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bill changing Mississippi’s flag forever. The Republican Governor immediately signed it into law. We, the people, will be allowed to vote for the new flag. How nice! We the people went to the polls and voted overwhelmingly to KEEP that flag. It’s our history. We should have been allowed to vote again before our illustrious leaders made the decision for us. My family came here from South Carolina immediately following the Revolution. This was the wilderness. Part of our history has been wiped out. I hope the new flag will have a pansy in the center.

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Jun 30, 2020 19:02:25   #
Liberty Tree
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bill changing Mississippi’s flag forever. The Republican Governor immediately signed it into law. We, the people, will be allowed to vote for the new flag. How nice! We the people went to the polls and voted overwhelmingly to KEEP that flag. It’s our history. We should have been allowed to vote again before our illustrious leaders made the decision for us. My family came here from South Carolina immediately following the Revolution. This was the wilderness. Part of our history has been wiped out. I hope the new flag will have a pansy in the center.
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bi... (show quote)


Pandering is the new way of politicians.

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Jun 30, 2020 19:13:50   #
Tiptop789 Loc: Eugene, OR
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bill changing Mississippi’s flag forever. The Republican Governor immediately signed it into law. We, the people, will be allowed to vote for the new flag. How nice! We the people went to the polls and voted overwhelmingly to KEEP that flag. It’s our history. We should have been allowed to vote again before our illustrious leaders made the decision for us. My family came here from South Carolina immediately following the Revolution. This was the wilderness. Part of our history has been wiped out. I hope the new flag will have a pansy in the center.
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bi... (show quote)


Will you be moving now? I guess next election vote for someone else. Maybe this is another conspiracy and is simply not true. So what will the new flag look like? Wow, wonder if citizens will get a chance to voice their opinion?

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Jun 30, 2020 19:54:48   #
Simple Sam
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Will you be moving now? I guess next election vote for someone else. Maybe this is another conspiracy and is simply not true. So what will the new flag look like? Wow, wonder if citizens will get a chance to voice their opinion?


The new flag, it will be white. White flags are not racist, a white flag is a surrender flag, it means giving up and into mob mentality.

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Jun 30, 2020 21:21:31   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bill changing Mississippi’s flag forever. The Republican Governor immediately signed it into law. We, the people, will be allowed to vote for the new flag. How nice! We the people went to the polls and voted overwhelmingly to KEEP that flag. It’s our history. We should have been allowed to vote again before our illustrious leaders made the decision for us. My family came here from South Carolina immediately following the Revolution. This was the wilderness. Part of our history has been wiped out. I hope the new flag will have a pansy in the center.
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bi... (show quote)


Carol Kelly, my sympathies. I have no skin in this game except that I hate laws made in a rush and under the threats of mob rules, etc. And this is all B. S. and we sensible people on OPP all know it. These legislators are giving into the threats of violence and you never negotiate or surrender with or to a mob mentality.

I agree that the flag was voted on not to long ago and the citizens voted to keep that flag. I assume you can still display that flag after the fact as free speech rights.

But let me suggest something as an alternative to that flag that recognizes both sides of the issue and their rights to have their views represented in the State Flag.

First we need to recognize the two sides and why they like or dislike the flag. We know the slavery issue and how so many think the war was mainly or only about freeing or keeping slavery in the south and Mississippi. To them, having that square of the rebel battle flag represented is an insult to their ancestors who were slaves, and we can go on and on and we can recognize that association and their personal discomfort on the issue.

But what no one wants to look at is the viewpoint of those of the south whose ancestors fought in that war, for Independence from the tyranny of the north and not necessarily for slavery. And there is the issue in the defense of your side and the traditions of the south and its history. Many Generals and other officers came from well to do families and owned slaves. but the foot soldier was mostly, if not entirely of poorer people of the south, fighting for States Rights. Probably most fought more for their State then the Confederation of States. I can't think of any of these men, walking into battle without a full meal in days, very little of the soles left on their shoes and totally underarmed, walking into battle to fight for their slaves.

I remember an old John Wayne movie called the Undefeated where in the beginning John Wayne's troops encounter a group of Confederate soldiers. They attack and defeat the enemy only to find out right after the battle that the war was over. He rides over to the senior officer left and apologizes for the bad timing and the Confederate soldier tells John Wayne that they new the war was over. He asks, then why they fought and the Confederate tells him, "This is our land and you're on it." And that is what a lot of the southerners were doing. Fighting for their states.

If I was alive during that time, and a Northerner, I might have fought to free the slaves. As a Southerner, I'd like to believe I might have fought for State rights and the right to secede, but not to protect slavery.

I'd like to point out one other thing. The European Union. We just watched all of the crap England went through to get out. Imagine 30 years from now, a group say Poland, Croatia and a few other decide to secede because of the taxes supported by Germany, Belgium and France, etc as being to one sided. Imagine if they had to go to war to do it. Justified????

So, what is the solution. Lets try to recognize both sides. one side doesn't want the Stars and Bars and the other side does. I understand that "IN GOD WE TRUST" is to be a part of the flag. How about just the bars and replace the stars with the words, IN GOD, UL to LR and WE TRUST LL to UR. And in the very middle, one star representing Mississippi. Everybody gets something.

Carol Kelly, if you like any part of what I wrote, please feel free you use it in trying to get a satisfactory resolution. I wish you luck.

Logically Right

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Jun 30, 2020 21:43:43   #
PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bill changing Mississippi’s flag forever. The Republican Governor immediately signed it into law. We, the people, will be allowed to vote for the new flag. How nice! We the people went to the polls and voted overwhelmingly to KEEP that flag. It’s our history. We should have been allowed to vote again before our illustrious leaders made the decision for us. My family came here from South Carolina immediately following the Revolution. This was the wilderness. Part of our history has been wiped out. I hope the new flag will have a pansy in the center.
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bi... (show quote)


I live bout a mile from the Alabama-Mississippi line. Could bout throw a dirt clod over. Worked in Clarksdale for six years, it's where I met my precious angel she was born and raised there "the crossroads". Ran service all over Mississippi, met a lot of good people Black and White. Good soul food what we grew up on. Remember a café down in Liberty. Neck bones and pintos, turnip greens and real cornbread. Not that Jiffy Mix shit. Ate my first helping and asked for a second. Old Black Lady was the cook and everything else. Since I was the only one in there when she brought my second helping I asked if she would sit and talk with me, which she did. I asked her bout growing up in the deep Delta. She asked me how I grew up. We both were poor. Hope to never forget when I got thru my second helping she said, lawd mercy ain't never seen a white boy eat our kinda food like that before. I replied, Grandma growing up if you didn't eat this you went hungry. If you didn't eat, you couldn't work the fields. Then the family suffered and it's all about family. Have you ever had the pig ear sandwich from the café in Jackson? Awesome. Anyway we knew it was just a matter of time. Just a case of elected officials covering their asses. Today I was looking at some Black Eyed Susan's growing on the tree line, a wild flower I and the Bees love. Is that name racist? Will that be changed? Were does it end?

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Jun 30, 2020 22:34:00   #
Carol Kelly
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Will you be moving now? I guess next election vote for someone else. Maybe this is another conspiracy and is simply not true. So what will the new flag look like? Wow, wonder if citizens will get a chance to voice their opinion?


We get to vote on our choice of their picks.

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Jul 1, 2020 09:30:57   #
Carol Kelly
 
Simple Sam wrote:
The new flag, it will be white. White flags are not racist, a white flag is a surrender flag, it means giving up and into mob mentality.


That’s exactly how I felt. Thx

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Jul 1, 2020 09:35:20   #
Carol Kelly
 
PLT Sarge wrote:
I live bout a mile from the Alabama-Mississippi line. Could bout throw a dirt clod over. Worked in Clarksdale for six years, it's where I met my precious angel she was born and raised there "the crossroads". Ran service all over Mississippi, met a lot of good people Black and White. Good soul food what we grew up on. Remember a café down in Liberty. Neck bones and pintos, turnip greens and real cornbread. Not that Jiffy Mix shit. Ate my first helping and asked for a second. Old Black Lady was the cook and everything else. Since I was the only one in there when she brought my second helping I asked if she would sit and talk with me, which she did. I asked her bout growing up in the deep Delta. She asked me how I grew up. We both were poor. Hope to never forget when I got thru my second helping she said, lawd mercy ain't never seen a white boy eat our kinda food like that before. I replied, Grandma growing up if you didn't eat this you went hungry. If you didn't eat, you couldn't work the fields. Then the family suffered and it's all about family. Have you ever had the pig ear sandwich from the café in Jackson? Awesome. Anyway we knew it was just a matter of time. Just a case of elected officials covering their asses. Today I was looking at some Black Eyed Susan's growing on the tree line, a wild flower I and the Bees love. Is that name racist? Will that be changed? Were does it end?
I live bout a mile from the Alabama-Mississippi li... (show quote)


No one understands the relationship between whites and blacks in this state. Sure some are dissatisfied but you find that everywhere. Black eyed Susan’s being Black eyed will remain. But what about white oleanders? Never had a pig ear sandwich but I’ve had chittlins. Ask Morgan Freeman, he’s back home.

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Jul 1, 2020 09:45:17   #
Carol Kelly
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Carol Kelly, my sympathies. I have no skin in this game except that I hate laws made in a rush and under the threats of mob rules, etc. And this is all B. S. and we sensible people on OPP all know it. These legislators are giving into the threats of violence and you never negotiate or surrender with or to a mob mentality.

I agree that the flag was voted on not to long ago and the citizens voted to keep that flag. I assume you can still display that flag after the fact as free speech rights.

But let me suggest something as an alternative to that flag that recognizes both sides of the issue and their rights to have their views represented in the State Flag.

First we need to recognize the two sides and why they like or dislike the flag. We know the slavery issue and how so many think the war was mainly or only about freeing or keeping slavery in the south and Mississippi. To them, having that square of the rebel battle flag represented is an insult to their ancestors who were slaves, and we can go on and on and we can recognize that association and their personal discomfort on the issue.

But what no one wants to look at is the viewpoint of those of the south whose ancestors fought in that war, for Independence from the tyranny of the north and not necessarily for slavery. And there is the issue in the defense of your side and the traditions of the south and its history. Many Generals and other officers came from well to do families and owned slaves. but the foot soldier was mostly, if not entirely of poorer people of the south, fighting for States Rights. Probably most fought more for their State then the Confederation of States. I can't think of any of these men, walking into battle without a full meal in days, very little of the soles left on their shoes and totally underarmed, walking into battle to fight for their slaves.

I remember an old John Wayne movie called the Undefeated where in the beginning John Wayne's troops encounter a group of Confederate soldiers. They attack and defeat the enemy only to find out right after the battle that the war was over. He rides over to the senior officer left and apologizes for the bad timing and the Confederate soldier tells John Wayne that they new the war was over. He asks, then why they fought and the Confederate tells him, "This is our land and you're on it." And that is what a lot of the southerners were doing. Fighting for their states.

If I was alive during that time, and a Northerner, I might have fought to free the slaves. As a Southerner, I'd like to believe I might have fought for State rights and the right to secede, but not to protect slavery.

I'd like to point out one other thing. The European Union. We just watched all of the crap England went through to get out. Imagine 30 years from now, a group say Poland, Croatia and a few other decide to secede because of the taxes supported by Germany, Belgium and France, etc as being to one sided. Imagine if they had to go to war to do it. Justified????

So, what is the solution. Lets try to recognize both sides. one side doesn't want the Stars and Bars and the other side does. I understand that "IN GOD WE TRUST" is to be a part of the flag. How about just the bars and replace the stars with the words, IN GOD, UL to LR and WE TRUST LL to UR. And in the very middle, one star representing Mississippi. Everybody gets something.

Carol Kelly, if you like any part of what I wrote, please feel free you use it in trying to get a satisfactory resolution. I wish you luck.

Logically Right
Carol Kelly, my sympathies. I have no skin in this... (show quote)


I like all of what you wrote. I feel the same. And I feel much the same about the European Union. Merkel accomplished without a shot fired what Hitler failed to do.
I’ve said this many times and I hate repeating myself. Merkel was born in East Germany, went to school through University in the East. How could she have other than a Communist attitude. The EU is her baby, England was lucky to get out.
I am grateful that our new flag will have In God We Trust. In God we must all trust,
Thank you for your response, my friend.

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Jul 1, 2020 09:47:38   #
Carol Kelly
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Will you be moving now? I guess next election vote for someone else. Maybe this is another conspiracy and is simply not true. So what will the new flag look like? Wow, wonder if citizens will get a chance to voice their opinion?


This is my state. I won’t give an inch. I’ve fought against this, but I lost.

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Jul 1, 2020 09:48:19   #
Carol Kelly
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Pandering is the new way of politicians.


Isn’t it just so. Seattle is a good example.

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Jul 1, 2020 14:34:27   #
Tug484
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bill changing Mississippi’s flag forever. The Republican Governor immediately signed it into law. We, the people, will be allowed to vote for the new flag. How nice! We the people went to the polls and voted overwhelmingly to KEEP that flag. It’s our history. We should have been allowed to vote again before our illustrious leaders made the decision for us. My family came here from South Carolina immediately following the Revolution. This was the wilderness. Part of our history has been wiped out. I hope the new flag will have a pansy in the center.
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bi... (show quote)



I see these people that bow down to this nonsense as weak.

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Jul 1, 2020 17:03:41   #
Carol Kelly
 
Tug484 wrote:
I see these people that bow down to this nonsense as weak.


And they are.

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Jul 1, 2020 17:19:07   #
woodguru
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bill changing Mississippi’s flag forever. The Republican Governor immediately signed it into law. We, the people, will be allowed to vote for the new flag. How nice! We the people went to the polls and voted overwhelmingly to KEEP that flag. It’s our history. We should have been allowed to vote again before our illustrious leaders made the decision for us. My family came here from South Carolina immediately following the Revolution. This was the wilderness. Part of our history has been wiped out. I hope the new flag will have a pansy in the center.
Today the Mississippi House and Senate passed a bi... (show quote)


If your ancestors were Nazi's and fought for the gloriousness of Hitler's vision of one superior race, would you be supporting monuments to the greatness of a despicable human being?

The confederates were traitors to the country, they tore the country up fighting for the wrong despicable side, memorializing that fight and the racist bigots that fought it is offensive to the people it affected, and fighting this ridiculous fight about "heritage" and "honor" is meaningless BS. Nobody defending confederate monuments gives a damn except that they are losing a socially dividing fight, because really, who gives a damn if you aren't black?

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