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Jun 18, 2020 23:21:24   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yep... Hopefully...

Still don't make it right..

By that logic, y'all should be throwing open the borders and welcoming them in. .


Not at all. They are already here. They shouldn't have been allowed to enter in the first place. That was the sin of their parents, not the children. We do the same thing for every legal immigrant; provide services and education. Pragmatically, it would be ridiculous to round them up and send them back to their country of birth. However, that doesn't mean we open the door and let everyone in. Any person over legal age is responsible for their own actions and if they came here illegally they should be deported. Children are not legally liable in the same way. Ultimately we need to secure our borders and revise our immigration policies before America becomes a revolving door. Those under DACA need to affirm their allegiance to the U.S. by obtaining citizenship if they want to stay here. If they are unwilling to do that then they should be considered for deportation. Congress needs to fix this but it isn't likely to be taken up anytime soon by them. The Democrats prefer to have decisive issues such as this as a wedge to bring more v**ers to their party. people need a wake-up call to the fact that the Democrats have been using immigrants only for political power for their elites. They don't really care anything about these people.

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Jun 18, 2020 23:24:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Not at all. They are already here. They shouldn't have been allowed to enter in the first place. That was the sin of their parents, not the children. We do the same thing for every legal immigrant; provide services and education. Pragmatically, it would be ridiculous to round them up and send them back to their country of birth. However, that doesn't mean we open the door and let everyone in. Any person over legal age is responsible for their own actions and if they came here illegally they should be deported. Children are not legally liable in the same way. Ultimately we need to secure our borders and revise our immigration policies before America becomes a revolving door. Those under DACA need to affirm their allegiance to the U.S. by obtaining citizenship if they want to stay here. If they are unwilling to do that then they should be considered for deportation. Congress needs to fix this but it isn't likely to be taken up anytime soon by them. The Democrats prefer to have decisive issues such as this as a wedge to bring more v**ers to their party. people need a wake-up call to the fact that the Democrats have been using immigrants only for political power for their elites. They don't really care anything about these people.
Not at all. They are already here. They shouldn'... (show quote)


I agree with much of what you say...

Except I'm not asking for them to be punished for their parent's crime... I'm saying don't reward them for it....

If I rob s bank and use the money to bring my kids up in luxury, are you going to let them keep that money because they didn't have a hand in the crime and are used to the life???

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Jun 18, 2020 23:28:29   #
1ProudAmerican
 
proud republican wrote:
Not all of them . .. Actually , most of them are law abiding people !


I respectfully disagree, they are NOT law abiding. They have been here long enough to become CITIZENS, but they haven't.

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Jun 18, 2020 23:37:02   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree with much of what you say...

Except I'm not asking for them to be punished for their parent's crime... I'm saying don't reward them for it....

If I rob s bank and use the money to bring my kids up in luxury, are you going to let them keep that money because they didn't have a hand in the crime and are used to the life???


That is why they need to become citizens or leave. But we have to at least provide a pathway to citizenship. Aren't you glad your Canada was the beneficiary of all the Vietnam draft dodgers? They didn't want to become Canadians, They wanted to return to the US, and most did thanks to Carter's amnesty.

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Jun 18, 2020 23:37:51   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
debeda wrote:
DACA is NOT a law. It's an Obama executive order. No one wants to throw law abiding people out, who have been here all their lives.


Agreed! DACA was illegal, as it was a policy that was drafted in multiple memos from the White House to governing agencies to draft into an executive order. Article I Section VIII Subsection III of the Constitution states, “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States.” This means that Congress has the power to make and decide i*********n l*ws and a pathway to citizenship, not the President.

Constitutional Law scholars and lawyers all agree that they’re only constitutional as long as they don’t take or give power away from one branch of government to another. In this case, obama violated the Take Care Clause under Article II Section III Subsection V which states, “The President must take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Nowhere in that statement does it say that the President has the right to refuse to enforce a law by merely writing an executive order.

This EO not only violates Constitutional Law but violates a law already on the books. “Title 8 of the U.S. Code, makes it an offense for any person to ‘encourage or induce’ an alien to ‘come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that [entry] is or will be in violation of law.”

DACA has also not been an effective policy to curb i*****l i*********n. According to the University of Iowa the program is only a, “short-term Band-Aid on a larger immigration problem.” Meaning that this program doesn’t fix the main problem of i*****l i*********n. The enforcement of the program was weak because as soon as a president leaves the White House, all of their executive orders are per se invalid unless the next President wishes to continue them.

According to the Department of Homeland Security in 2014 nearly 42% of those who applied for the DACA program used forged documents to misrepresent their age, as you need to be younger than 35 and had been brought here illegally by parents, with nearly 35% of those who violated the rules of the program being accepted into it.

This all comes out to an estimated 1.6 to 2.3 billion dollars that Uncle Sam must get in order to keep this program going every year. This has been a waste of money and now the nation has suffered yet another emotional divide because of failed policies.

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Jun 18, 2020 23:40:11   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
That is why they need to become citizens or leave. But we have to at least provide a pathway to citizenship. Aren't you glad your Canada was the beneficiary of all the Vietnam draft dodgers? They didn't want to become Canadians, They wanted to return to the US, and most did thanks to Carter's amnesty.


Canada should have denied them entry...

I disagree... They don't deserve any special privilege...

They should apply for citizenship like any other foreigner...

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Jun 18, 2020 23:44:17   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Canada should have denied them entry...

I disagree... They don't deserve any special privilege...

They should apply for citizenship like any other foreigner...



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Jun 18, 2020 23:51:57   #
Sicilianthing
 
proud republican wrote:
I believe President Trump should leave DACA kids alone!! They are not at fault,especially if they were too young to realize what their parents were doing!! They don't know any other country , but this one ..Where are you planning to send them??? My son's fiance is DACA kid and I love her dearly and will fight for her if it comes down to it! She is better person than mist l*****ts on OPP!!!I'm sorry if you guys don't like this,but this is my opinion!


>>>

Ohhhh NO YOU Dont !

Whattabuncha CRAP!

Over half of them are scumbag murdering, rapist, thieves, gang bangers, criminals, free loaders, traffickers, non assimilating 3rd world Ignorant miscreants on our land...

K*****g my people... our women... infecting our Sovereignty and communities with drugs, chaos, graffiti, filth, destroying property, ideologies, schools, output... + + +

I can go on for pages so Please Take the OPP Challenge and lets rock !

These losers need to go and Obama needs to be arrested and HUNG for Treason on the National Lawn Televised...

I’m praying Trump fumes and retaliates tomorrow morning with an Executive ORDER putting a hard throttle end to it and slapping the SCOTUS and Democrat scumbag in the face.

I have safe quarter for any of these invaders and I dont care how they got here... they’re taking jobs from my people and that means WAR !

Now watch we begin tomorrow to attack DACA and all those who’ve been harboring and supporting them.

You wanna see more chaos PR from the issue dividing us and tearing apart the fabric that makes us what we are without THEM ?

Stay tuned cause seriously pissed off Patriots like myself go to work tomorrow to begin the next phase.

DACA is going to end along with all 30million Scumbag i******s on my land and any others who came here before them and created harm...

If Trump doesn’t make it happen we Will !

One way or the hard way, dead or alive makes no difference to me these people are leaving...

Btw, as recent as yesterday I sent another special letter, questionnaire and survey through NUmbersUSA to Trump and his Stupid Team at the White House...

You Better believe it sure as the earth you stand on we’re never going to quit on this front... EVER
Myself and the 100million Americans behind me will never change our minds EVER !

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Jun 18, 2020 23:52:25   #
Sicilianthing
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree with much of what you say...

Except I'm not asking for them to be punished for their parent's crime... I'm saying don't reward them for it....

If I rob s bank and use the money to bring my kids up in luxury, are you going to let them keep that money because they didn't have a hand in the crime and are used to the life???


>>>

Whattabuncha CRAP !

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Jun 18, 2020 23:52:42   #
Sicilianthing
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
I respectfully disagree, they are NOT law abiding. They have been here long enough to become CITIZENS, but they haven't.


>>>

Thank YOU !
See my reply to PR

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Jun 18, 2020 23:56:01   #
Sicilianthing
 
dtucker300 wrote:
That is why they need to become citizens or leave. But we have to at least provide a pathway to citizenship. Aren't you glad your Canada was the beneficiary of all the Vietnam draft dodgers? They didn't want to become Canadians, They wanted to return to the US, and most did thanks to Carter's amnesty.


>>>

You’re back a couple Books Tucker... NO deal on Citizenship path crap or any Amnesty...

The Terms for Trump were Non Negotiable going in and he knew it, they all knew it...
get the job done, overturn all the unconstitutional crap of the administrations before him or else !

The Terms are now placed on the Alter along with Trumps re e******n... YOu get the point.

He’s been put on notice all of them have and guys like me are just starting to turn up the heat.

DACA is not here to stay
The invaders are leaving period.
There is no further discussion and SCOTUS is next on the Attack list.

Trump know what he needs to do and it’s time he breaks rank with his t*****r advisors and gets to work.

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Jun 18, 2020 23:57:14   #
Sicilianthing
 
Simple Sam wrote:
Agreed! DACA was illegal, as it was a policy that was drafted in multiple memos from the White House to governing agencies to draft into an executive order. Article I Section VIII Subsection III of the Constitution states, “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States.” This means that Congress has the power to make and decide i*********n l*ws and a pathway to citizenship, not the President.

Constitutional Law scholars and lawyers all agree that they’re only constitutional as long as they don’t take or give power away from one branch of government to another. In this case, obama violated the Take Care Clause under Article II Section III Subsection V which states, “The President must take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Nowhere in that statement does it say that the President has the right to refuse to enforce a law by merely writing an executive order.

This EO not only violates Constitutional Law but violates a law already on the books. “Title 8 of the U.S. Code, makes it an offense for any person to ‘encourage or induce’ an alien to ‘come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that [entry] is or will be in violation of law.”

DACA has also not been an effective policy to curb i*****l i*********n. According to the University of Iowa the program is only a, “short-term Band-Aid on a larger immigration problem.” Meaning that this program doesn’t fix the main problem of i*****l i*********n. The enforcement of the program was weak because as soon as a president leaves the White House, all of their executive orders are per se invalid unless the next President wishes to continue them.

According to the Department of Homeland Security in 2014 nearly 42% of those who applied for the DACA program used forged documents to misrepresent their age, as you need to be younger than 35 and had been brought here illegally by parents, with nearly 35% of those who violated the rules of the program being accepted into it.

This all comes out to an estimated 1.6 to 2.3 billion dollars that Uncle Sam must get in order to keep this program going every year. This has been a waste of money and now the nation has suffered yet another emotional divide because of failed policies.
Agreed! DACA was illegal, as it was a policy that... (show quote)


>>>

Trump and his team are seriously ignorant to the above and how it all works... I hope he learned a lesson here and who’s putting his legal grounds together.

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Jun 19, 2020 00:00:32   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>

Ohhhh NO YOU Dont !

Whattabuncha CRAP!

Over half of them are scumbag murdering, rapist, thieves, gang bangers, criminals, free loaders, traffickers, non assimilating 3rd world Ignorant miscreants on our land...

K*****g my people... our women... infecting our Sovereignty and communities with drugs, chaos, graffiti, filth, destroying property, ideologies, schools, output... + + +

I can go on for pages so Please Take the OPP Challenge and lets rock !

These losers need to go and Obama needs to be arrested and HUNG for Treason on the National Lawn Televised...

I’m praying Trump fumes and retaliates tomorrow morning with an Executive ORDER putting a hard throttle end to it and slapping the SCOTUS and Democrat scumbag in the face.

I have safe quarter for any of these invaders and I dont care how they got here... they’re taking jobs from my people and that means WAR !

Now watch we begin tomorrow to attack DACA and all those who’ve been harboring and supporting them.

You wanna see more chaos PR from the issue dividing us and tearing apart the fabric that makes us what we are without THEM ?

Stay tuned cause seriously pissed off Patriots like myself go to work tomorrow to begin the next phase.

DACA is going to end along with all 30million Scumbag i******s on my land and any others who came here before them and created harm...

If Trump doesn’t make it happen we Will !

One way or the hard way, dead or alive makes no difference to me these people are leaving...

Btw, as recent as yesterday I sent another special letter, questionnaire and survey through NUmbersUSA to Trump and his Stupid Team at the White House...

You Better believe it sure as the earth you stand on we’re never going to quit on this front... EVER
Myself and the 100million Americans behind me will never change our minds EVER !
>>> br br Ohhhh NO YOU Dont ! br br Wh... (show quote)


My son's fiance is DACA!! And if you think you will come after her,you better be prepared to figh!! Come and get me,Sici !! She us NOT going anywhere !!!!! Don't underestimate Russian blood in me !!!

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Jun 19, 2020 00:00:54   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Trump and his team are seriously ignorant to the above and how it all works... I hope he learned a lesson here and who’s putting his legal grounds together.


Trump put too much trust in people! Look at the people he trusted, hired who turned around and betrayed him. I hope for the sake of our nation, he learned his lesson.

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Jun 19, 2020 00:03:55   #
Simple Sam Loc: USA
 
proud republican wrote:
My son's fiance is DACA!! And if you think you will come after her,you better be prepared to figh!! Come and get me,Sici !! She us NOT going anywhere !!!!! Don't underestimate Russian blood in me !!!


This has NOTHING to do with individual people. Simple solution for your son and his fiancé, marriage. Otherwise, she is an ILLEGAL and needs to pack her rags and leave.

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