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Jun 16, 2020 13:43:43   #
kemmer
 
son of witless wrote:
Why is this important to you ?

Because there's no place for second class citizens in modern America.

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Jun 16, 2020 13:45:17   #
kemmer
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Because he is a religious bigot who h**es Christians.

The only religious bigots are the bottom feeder evangelicals who have always viewed gays as less than human.

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Jun 16, 2020 13:46:28   #
kemmer
 
American Vet wrote:
Providing ‘special’ protections for one group also deprives some freedoms from another group.

What is it about "equal" that you don't understand?

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Jun 16, 2020 13:48:15   #
kemmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You've been warned, man. We all have. Many of us take the warning seriously. Shame you don't.

Our right to practice our faith is inalienable, we cannot surrender that right or give it away and no one, not the supreme court, the ACLU, or the devil himself can take it away from us.

As Nicodemus said, "Only God can do that."

Practicing religious liberty does not include forcing your perceived values on others.

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Jun 16, 2020 14:32:25   #
Singularity
 
kemmer wrote:
Practicing religious liberty does not include forcing your perceived values on others.


"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22-23)"

Your post triggered this brain fart for me.

Writing off Bible verses a hundred times is especially punishing for a child with eidetic memory, such as I was....

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Jun 16, 2020 15:59:02   #
Abel
 
American Vet wrote:
Providing ‘special’ protections for one group also deprives some freedoms from another group.


IMHO: You're absolutely correct.

Homosexuals as a group, in their quest to be "different" are simply conforming to other radical groups. They just crave attention. True homosexuals, like tobacco smokers, are a self-initiating dying breed; smokers destroy vital organs, such as lungs and brains, and homosexuals fortunately don't breed to propagate their kind in our race, they just phoc unnaturally for their personal pleasure and the Hell of it. Even though they are a bit "q***r," they don't bother me unless they try to infect me or my family with their sickness.

If it wasn't for the socialisticly indoctrinated mentally warped MSM, about 110 Billionaires wanting to rule the world like Soros and Gates, and the mad-hatters of Hollywood, giving them a platform to entice and indoctrinaate our youth, they wouldn't increase in numbers and simply fade away. None of these "special" groups are truly special and they should be treated like everyone else per the constitution, not elevated in status by the "if it bleeds, it leads" MSM, Hollywood, or the weak minded socialists in Congress and many others in the deep state shadow government.

Pay more attention to what goes on in our government, and next time pay a little more attention to whom or what you v**e for.

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Jun 16, 2020 18:04:01   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
They observe and adjudicate upon the evidence.

Where have you developed a notion that there are arbitrary guidelines and judicial subjectivity, and to what extent? It seems that you injected those assumptions into the picture and now ask others to explain it?!


Unless there is a defined set of terms and actions constituting h********c bias the guidelines are arbitrary and subjective....

One judge may FEEL that the action constitutes criminal firing whereas another judge may FEEL it is fine...

I'm curious how a judge makes such a determination...

I'm simply to curious as to what the rules are that old determine a set of h********c biases...

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Jun 16, 2020 18:18:59   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Unless there is a defined set of terms and actions constituting h********c bias the guidelines are arbitrary and subjective....

One judge may FEEL that the action constitutes criminal firing whereas another judge may FEEL it is fine...

I'm curious how a judge makes such a determination...

I'm simply to curious as to what the rules are that old determine a set of h********c biases...


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/church-pastor-l**t-people-k**led-death-grayson-fritts-baptist-a8958846.html

This guy is also a police officer. Or was.

https://youtu.be/0c-arO79hjo

You are correct. It is just wrong to judge a person's heart based on a few scraps of evidence or a momentary impression.

Edit: Southern USA Rednecks, perhaps unlike the Canadian or Chinese, are not especially polite or subtle in expressing such views. They barely realize the point of not saying it out loud on the record.

You (the judge) look at the body of evidence. Some places, I hear this s**t is subtle. Not where I live.

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Jun 16, 2020 18:36:29   #
American Vet
 
kemmer wrote:
Practicing religious liberty does not include forcing your perceived values on others.


But it does include operating your business as you see fit.

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Jun 16, 2020 18:37:16   #
American Vet
 
kemmer wrote:
What is it about "equal" that you don't understand?


What part of ‘freedom’ do you not understand?

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Jun 16, 2020 18:43:42   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/church-pastor-l**t-people-k**led-death-grayson-fritts-baptist-a8958846.html

This guy is also a police officer. Or was.

https://youtu.be/0c-arO79hjo

You are correct. It is just wrong to judge a person's heart based on a few scraps of evidence or a momentary impression.

Edit: Southern USA Rednecks, perhaps unlike the Canadian or Chinese, are not especially polite or subtle in expressing such views. They barely realize the point of not saying it out loud on the record.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/... (show quote)


Only read the article... My VPN has yet to be replaced...

I agree... That was wrong...

So this law will only work in extreme cases???

A business owner could write up a bad review and fire a q***r and there would be no? evidence of it???

I think you might be correct concerning Canadians... Just my observation, but we tend to be more mannerly and apologetic.... Not that we don't use foul language... I grew up with a logger for a dad.... The camps were pretty intense... Loved it though...

Chinese are so effeminate that it is difficult to tell who is gay... Although in recent years it has become more popular for young people to claim the title...

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Jun 16, 2020 18:43:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
American Vet wrote:
But it does include operating your business as you see fit.


I agree...

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Jun 16, 2020 18:49:46   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Only read the article... My VPN has yet to be replaced...

I agree... That was wrong...

So this law will only work in extreme cases???

A business owner could write up a bad review and fire a q***r and there would be no? evidence of it???

I think you might be correct concerning Canadians... Just my observation, but we tend to be more mannerly and apologetic.... Not that we don't use foul language... I grew up with a logger for a dad.... The camps were pretty intense... Loved it though...

Chinese are so effeminate that it is difficult to tell who is gay... Although in recent years it has become more popular for young people to claim the title...
Only read the article... My VPN has yet to be repl... (show quote)


The sermon you missed was more for impact value. Really vile stuff. We have more like him. The call to law enforcement and to preach fire and brimstone seem peculiarly common to certain tone deaf types.

You call this an extreme case. Because it is so common here, some people develop attitudes you probably cannot fathom. Others protest. But not if they have a job or family relationships that they value.

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Jun 16, 2020 19:10:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Singularity wrote:
The sermon you missed was more for impact value. Really vile stuff. We have more like him. The call to law enforcement and to preach fire and brimstone seem peculiarly common to certain tone deaf types.


Ok... But these cases wouldn't apply to a privately owned business....

When I was the foreign director at my? old school, we had very strict guidelines about what couldn't be talked about during work hours in the school... And directors had to be careful if they associated with teachers after hours... We had expat teachers from a dozen countries over the years and cultures do vary...

I remember an American woman who complained because a British man called his girlfriend back home a cunt... He was in a bar, at a separate table, not engaging her in conversation, but she was offended and felt the need to bring it to my attention... I asked as to whether she had any complaints about his conduct at work and she answered in the negative... But she claimed that she had always felt he was sexist and this was proof...

I've known quite a few Brits and Australians who regularly use the term and think nothing of it... And as it happened outside work I had no right to even speak to him about it...

But if he'd used the term in the office, or directed it towards another teacher, I could see the need to engage him...

At another time there was a young gay man at another school who was friends with a teacher at our school... And often visited.... His language was rather colorful... Very exaggerated Fruitiness, liked to use the term f*g, often blow kisses or rub people's arms... And after several complaints from staff I banned him from the school... He simply wouldn't listen when he was asked to refrain from be having in such a manner in OUR school....

Both he and his friend at my school claimed I was being bigoted... And tried to complain to the owner of the school... Understandably he took my side...

Now, the school didn't actually have a list of words and behaviors that were unacceptable...Just a set of guidelines that covered the basics...It was left to the judgement of the management to determine when something crossed a line... And this ambiguity did sometimes result in difficulties...

But should the law not have some way to clarify of determine criminal bias???

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Jun 16, 2020 19:23:38   #
Singularity
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ok... But these cases wouldn't apply to a privately owned business....

When I was the foreign director at my? old school, we had very strict guidelines about what couldn't be talked about during work hours in the school... And directors had to be careful if they associated with teachers after hours... We had expat teachers from a dozen countries over the years and cultures do vary...

I remember an American woman who complained because a British man called his girlfriend back home a cunt... He was in a bar, at a separate table, not engaging her in conversation, but she was offended and felt the need to bring it to my attention... I asked as to whether she had any complaints about his conduct at work and she answered in the negative... But she claimed that she had always felt he was sexist and this was proof...

I've known quite a few Brits and Australians who regularly use the term and think nothing of it... And as it happened outside work I had no right to even speak to him about it...

But if he'd used the term in the office, or directed it towards another teacher, I could see the need to engage him...

At another time there was a young gay man at another school who was friends with a teacher at our school... And often visited.... His language was rather colorful... Very exaggerated Fruitiness, liked to use the term f*g, often blow kisses or rub people's arms... And after several complaints from staff I banned him from the school... He simply wouldn't listen when he was asked to refrain from be having in such a manner in OUR school....

Both he and his friend at my school claimed I was being bigoted... And tried to complain to the owner of the school... Understandably he took my side...

Now, the school didn't actually have a list of words and behaviors that were unacceptable...Just a set of guidelines that covered the basics...It was left to the judgement of the management to determine when something crossed a line... And this ambiguity did sometimes result in difficulties...

But should the law not have some way to clarify of determine criminal bias???
Ok... But these cases wouldn't apply to a private... (show quote)


How can the law reflect what most of the citizens refuse to see as skewed?The culture itself is biased. That's why this clarification by SCOTUS is needed. The vocal opposition to a simple assertion of non discrimination reveals in many their willingness to be joyfully available for just such discriminatory practices.

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