oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Please watch this video and find that New York has started the confiscation of guns no matter what people think. I don't think the law passed late at night will affect me and my guns but so many more people will be affected in New York. I can see the gun owners getting riled to the point of revolution from this story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeR8lK-v4S4#t=57

Patty

That's crazy. A 15 year old misdemeanor. I thought those weren't suppose to stay on peoples record anyway. Morale to this story is you have to be some kind of fool following these unconstitutional registration laws. No where in the Constitution does it allow the government to restrict guns. If it isn't in there they don't have the authority,.

rich278

If the gun confiscation video was true how come Fox News isn't all over it? Where is the NRA? This is a made for U Tube video. I thought you NRA assault rifle wielders would only give up your guns through your cold dead fingers.

Patty

Did you even watch the video? This guy was stupid enough to register his rifle. Do you really think any true, half way intelligent American would do that? Don't be ridiculous.

Patty

the federal government is nowhere in the Constitution granted authority to abridge, restrict, or infringe, in any fashion whatsoever, guns, ammunition, etc. Thus, ALL such restrictive laws made by Congress, and ALL regulations made by the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, and Tobacco (ATF), are unconstitutional as outside the scope of the powers granted to Congress and to the Executive Branch by our Constitution. Restriction of arms and ammunition is NOT one of the “enumerated powers” delegated to Congress or the Executive Branch.

Furthermore, all pretended regulations made by the ATF are also unconstitutional as in violation of Art. I, Sec. 1, U.S. Constitution, which vests ALL legislative powers granted by the Constitution in CONGRESS. Executive agencies have no lawful authority whatsoever to make rules or regulations of general application to The People!

In addition, the President and the Senate may not lawfully by treaty do anything the Constitution does not authorize them to do directly. Since the Constitution does not authorize the federal government to disarm us, the federal government may not lawfully do it by Treaty. See, http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/the-treaty-making-power-of-the-united-states/
An “ex post facto” law RETROACTIVELY criminalizes conduct which was not criminal when it was done.

Say you barbequed outside last Sunday. That was lawful when you did it. Next month, Congress makes a pretended law which purports to retroactively criminalize barbequing outdoors. So, now, what you did is a crime (for which you are subject to criminal prosecution); even thou when you did it, it wasn’t a crime. That is an ex post facto law.

Now, say Congress passes a pretended law making possession of firearms a crime and ordering everyone to turn in their guns. Only if you do not turn in your guns will you have committed a “crime”. That is not an ex post facto law because if you turn in your guns, you won’t be criminally prosecuted. The “crime” is the failure to turn in your guns – not the prior possession of guns.

Such a law would be totally UNCONSTITUTIONAL, because gun control is not one of the enumerated powers of Congress. Thus, the law would be outside the scope of the powers delegated to Congress.

It would also be unconstitutional as in violation of the 2nd Amendment.

Loki Loc: Georgia

There are legal ways and means. The NRA has just won 2 lawsuits against the City of Chicago, and Chicago has had to reimburse the NRA more than one million dollars in legal fees, because of losing in a Civil Rights Case. If this bothers you, I am terribly sorry, since this law is Democrat sponsored and passed legislation.
The City of New Orleans also lost their unConstitutional gun grab in the aftermath of Katrina. Roy Nagent, the mayor of New Orleans at the time, is currently serving 10 years in prison, although on separate charges.
Perhaps you have forgotten the DC gun ban which was struck down as unConstitutional?
So sorry to bust your bubble of orgasmic hoplophobe ecstasy.

rich278

Most of the gun owning people in the US are smart enough to know this is a phoney video. Start a revolution? Where do you think you are the Middle east, with weak Tribal religious leaders. And if you think the government couldn't figure out who has guns you must live in a cave. It's people like you that make us legitimate gun owners ashamed. Did you ever buy a hunting license?

Patty

:thumbup: You do have a good memory Loki.
Thanks. Always spot on.

Patty

So you are saying that the government has no regard for their own laws to wipe out the FBI background check info after 90 days? Are you a lesser person than government officials and should not be trusted and need extra discipline to keep you from committing a crime with a gun. I don't need watched so get out of my line and start a new line where you an sign up to have yourself watched.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Gun ownership is not a requirement for obtaining a hunting license. Had you ever obtained one yourself, you would know that.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I have never had a hunting license and the only one I would want now would to be to hunt the black helicopter or black van people who come after my guns.

This video seems to be a bit contrived but the cases they talk about aren't so maybe we aren't really wrong.

Speaking of guns, illegally used, I have to talk about Chicago last weekend and then throw in Detroit and NYC but then the latter 2 didn't even come close to Chicago that weekend. Strongly worded, unenforced laws aren't working in Chicago, but confiscation could work if it were done quickly before people could react.

Is Rich, maybe, an Obama Democrat? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Loki Loc: Georgia

Maybe? C'mon, read the post.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

Patty, the 2nd amendment is not what gives us our rights to own a gun. That is the problems with the bill of rights and why some of our founding fathers were against it.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it give this government ANY authority to take our guns away from us. If they are NOT given the authority DIRECTLY worded in the Constitution, then they do NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY to do something, no matter what it is. It is unconstitutional to take our guns away simply because the Constitution does not given them any authority to do so, not because of the second amendment.

Our rights come from God, and that predates any Constitution. Nothing in the Constitution is about our rights, it is a LIMIT on what this government is allowed to do. Nothing in the Constitution grants US any rights and to say so is wrong. Read the Constitution and show me where it says anything about our rights to own a gun. All it says is Congress shall pass no laws, but we were not granted the right to own guns by the Constitution, but by God. He is the one that gave us our rights and no government is allowed to take them away.

There are VERY FEW areas that this government is allowed to act and it is ALL spelled out in the Constitution. The 18th amendment is a good example of our being stupid enough to grant the government power over us as it relates to drinking. We gave the government AUTHORITY to make it illegal to drink and look where that got us. We finally passed the 21st and repealed it, but look what they did during that period. To say the government in ANY way has ANY authority over us except for the listed items in the Constitution is wrong.

Some of the states demanded the bill of rights or they would not sign the Constitution so they had to put it in there to please them, but nowhere in the Constitution is this government given any authority except as stated. That is the ONLY areas they have authority over us and GUNS ARE NOT LISTED ANYWHERE as being under their authority.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Do you realize how much your post says about our Glorious Leader and his legislative attempts concerning allowing various groups to wait a year before having Obamacare kick in for them? How about him declaring we wouldn't deport kids to Central America and that not pertaining to those from Mexico or Canada?

I am saying this because he has been getting away with all these kinds of legislation for over 5 years and Democrats really believe he has the power to do these things. I am alluding to the fact that he has tried, and got by with it, to do so many dictatorial things and gun confiscation is just one of them.

rich278

I'm sorry you missed the point, I'll type slower this time. If a person buys a hunting license there is a good chance he may own a gun. I never mentioned any requirements, but the state I live in requires gun safety training. I may have purchased more hunting licenses than you and I may have more guns than you. I get sick to my stomach when I see gun toting fools k**l 20 first graders, then piss and moan when the government would like to limit the size of clip. The point is if the government wants your guns they will get them. If they have to pry them from your cold dead fingers they will. The Government has never taken any firearms from any law biding citizen, and never will, but keep sending your money into the NRA, and don't forget to b***h about paying taxes.