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Texas bar bans masks: would you drink there? Yea or Nay, with explanation please
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May 30, 2020 17:31:33   #
Mike Easterday
 
Yay! I would like to go . You can't drink with a mask.

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May 30, 2020 18:29:12   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
The only mask I wear is my lone ranger mask. It does all the good the other masks do-0


Hi o silver!

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May 30, 2020 22:38:00   #
Singularity
 
rumitoid wrote:
Below, read his reasoning about the policy and then decide.

Smith told The Washington Post that "being scared all the time isn't good for your health. It suppresses your i****e s****m."

Elgin, which is located just outside of Austin, has at least 53 confirmed cases of C****-**. The Texas Department of Health and Human Services reports there have been more than 57,900 cases statewide and at least 1,562 deaths.

While some locals welcomed Smith's decision, others call it irresponsible.

"I wasn't allowed to wear a mask when entering - decided it was best to just leave instead after a few minutes of people being rude. Unfortunately, since as a healthy person who's not at risk, I wanted to support a local bar while still being safe and social distancing," wrote one reviewer on the tavern's Facebook page. "I'd rather spend money at a place that respects people's autonomy, life, and health concerns (and doesn't say their health is just "feelings")."

Charles Chamberlain told KXAN that he feels comfortable h*****g out at the tavern. "I'm a stage 4 cancer survivor. It's just a choice. He just put that up there to let people know if they aren't feeling good, then they maybe shouldn't come," said Chamberlain. "Everybody is keeping safe distances, they aren't bunching up."
Texas Governor Greg Abbott allowed bars and restaurants to reopen in the Lone Star state last week, with bars to operate at 25% capacity and restaurants at 50% capacity. 

While the Liberty Tree Tavern banished face masks, Smith said customers do need to maintain social distancing of six feet between parties and he says he will adhere to the occupancy limits.

"Sorry for the inconveniences please bare with us thru the ridiculous fearful times," his note reads.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-bar-liberty-tree-tavern-bans-masks-customers/
Below, read his reasoning about the policy and the... (show quote)


I don't drink, it interferes with my other medications....

Thinking about masks and all the bellyaching.

When is the last time you felt patriotically resentful while fastening your seat belt? Or when being forced to buckle your child into a car seat? Do you struggle to remember to not smoke indoors in public? Seen a spittoon, lately?

Things change, new habits form or fade as necessity compels and the world keeps turning.

And OPP keeps churning!

How ya been, my friend?

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May 30, 2020 22:55:52   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I’ve had doctors tell me masks are somewhat helpful and others told me they’re worthless. Especially in hot humid weather. I like choice. If I don’t want to wear one I shouldn’t have to unless where I want to go demands it. My choice then to go there and follow their rules or stay home.
Singularity wrote:
I don't drink, it interferes with my other medications....

Thinking about masks and all the bellyaching.

When is the last time you felt patriotically resentful while fastening your seat belt? Or when being forced to buckle your child into a car seat? Do you struggle to remember to not smoke indoors in public? Seen a spittoon, lately?

Things change, new habits form or fade as necessity compels and the world keeps turning.

And OPP keeps churning!

How ya been, my friend?
I don't drink, it interferes with my other medicat... (show quote)

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May 30, 2020 22:57:43   #
DotsMan
 
I would not drink there either way. I have never developed a taste for alcohol. Even when going out to eat I prefer a place where the bar is separated from the dining area or, even better, does not even have a bar.

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May 31, 2020 00:02:19   #
Singularity
 
JFlorio wrote:
I’ve had doctors tell me masks are somewhat helpful and others told me they’re worthless. Especially in hot humid weather. I like choice. If I don’t want to wear one I shouldn’t have to unless where I want to go demands it. My choice then to go there and follow their rules or stay home.


From Wikipedia:

A spittoon (or spitoon) is a receptacle made for spitting into, especially by users of chewing and dipping tobacco. It is also known as a cuspidor (which is the Portuguese word for "spitter" or "spittoon", from the verb "cuspir" meaning "to spit"), although that term is also used for a type of spitting sink used in dentistry.


In the late 19th century, spittoons became a common feature of pubs, brothels, saloons, hotels, stores, banks, railway carriages, and other places where people (especially adult men) gathered, notably in the United States, but allegedly also in Australia.

Brass was the most common material for spitoons. Other materials used for mass production of spittoons ranged from basic functional iron to elaborately crafted cut glass and fine porcelain. At higher class places like expensive hotels, spittoons could be elaborately decorated.

Spittoons are flat-bottomed, often weighted to minimize tipping over, and often with an interior "lip" to make spilling less likely if they tip. Some have lids, but this is rare. Some have holes, sometimes with a plug, to aid in draining and cleaning.

Use of spittoons was considered an advance of public manners and health, intended to replace previously common spitting on floors, streets, and sidewalks. Many places passed laws against spitting in public other than into a spittoon.

Boy Scout troops organized campaigns to paint "Do not Spit on the Sidewalk" notices on city sidewalks. In 1909 in Cincinnati, Ohio, scout troops together with members of the Anti-Tuberculosis League painted thousands of such messages in a single night.[1] A mass-produced sign seen in saloons read:

If you expect to rate as a gentleman Do not expectorate on the floor

Spittoons were also useful for people suffering from tuberculosis who would cough up phlegm. Public spittoons would sometimes contain a solution of an antiseptic such as carbolic acid with the aim of limiting t***smission of disease. With the start of the 20th century medical doctors urged tuberculosis sufferers to use personal pocket spittoons instead of public ones; these were jars with tight lids which people could carry with them to spit into. Similar devices are still used by some with tuberculosis.

After the 1918 flu epidemic, both hygiene and etiquette advocates began to disparage public use of the spittoon, and use began to decline. Chewing gum replaced tobacco as the favorite chew of the younger generation. Cigarettes were considered more hygienic than spit-inducing chewing tobacco. While it was still not unusual to see spittoons in some public places in parts of the US as late as the 1930s, vast numbers of old brass spittoons met their ends in the scrap drives[2][3] of World War II.

A large public collection of spittoons can be found at Duke Homestead State Historic Site,[4] Durham, North Carolina. In 2008, the site's tobacco museum added 282 spittoons—claimed to be the world's largest collection—to its holdings of over 100.[5]

~~~

While spittoons are still made, they are no longer commonly found in public places (except as decorations). There are a few companies that currently make spittoons for users of smokeless tobacco, such as MudJug and Spitbud. Professions in which spittoons are commonly used are coffee, tea and wine tasting. A taster will sip samples and then spit them into a spittoon in order to avoid intoxication.[11] Makeshift spittoons, such as large mixing bowls, can be used by people with a cold who are frequently coughing up phlegm.

Spittoons remained in use in the Southern United States in public buildings at least until the 1970s. For example, the Georgia Capitol Museum in the Georgia Capitol Building in Atlanta, Georgia, has on display a spittoon of the type that was used in legislative sessions into the 1970s.

The United States Senate also has spittoons spread across the Senate Chamber as they are considered a Senate tradition.[12] Similarly, each Justice on the United States Supreme Court has a spittoon next to his or her seat in the courtroom. However, the spittoons function merely as wastebaskets; the last time the spittoon was used for its customary purpose was in the early 20th century.[13]

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May 31, 2020 00:30:58   #
Singularity
 
JFlorio wrote:
I’ve had doctors tell me masks are somewhat helpful and others told me they’re worthless. Especially in hot humid weather. I like choice. If I don’t want to wear one I shouldn’t have to unless where I want to go demands it. My choice then to go there and follow their rules or stay home.


Part of the problem with advice regarding efficacy has to do with the intended goal. Health care workers know that the best masks don't work if you don't keep them on, but even with perfect compliance, there is still disease t***smission. A mask or even a cloth covering, a bandana or a scarf, that protects from airborne droplets leaving your body and vicinity, which if you're a "Spreader" (a term no longer reserved for inconsiderate seated posture, usually by a male person on a crowded conveyence,) contain huge loads of v***s, is usually sufficient in public to REDUCE BUT NOT ELIMINATE risk. It seems logical and tests bear out that the severity of symptoms with subsequent infection correlates with the initial dose of v***s taken in, or to a larger number of incidences of exposure with multiple t***smission. So larger droplets being avoided from spreading confers some protection for those around you even as smaller drops or v***s particles may still be taken in.

Containing our larger droplets makes the cloth of single layer masks d********gly hot and moist! And as also noted, you can't eat or drink with it on properly. The blue and white papery surgery masks have absorbent cores to make them feel better in that regard. A veil or looser bandana is less suffocating and kinda sexy, depending on the situation. And the person....

Nothing compares to The Lone Ranger.👍

There are worse tribulations, but often it's just the little things! Attitude can be key. And it's good to remember sometimes the only thing one can change is an attitude.

https://theunboundedspirit.com/heaven-and-hell-the-parable-of-the-long-spoons/

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May 31, 2020 01:13:47   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Singularity wrote:
Part of the problem with advice regarding efficacy has to do with the intended goal. Health care workers know that the best masks don't work if you don't keep them on, but even with perfect compliance, there is still disease t***smission. A mask or even a cloth covering, a bandana or a scarf, that protects from airborne droplets leaving your body and vicinity, which if you're a "Spreader" (a term no longer reserved for inconsiderate seated posture, usually by a male person on a crowded conveyence,) contain huge loads of v***s, is usually sufficient in public to REDUCE BUT NOT ELIMINATE risk. It seems logical and tests bear out that the severity of symptoms with subsequent infection correlates with the initial dose of v***s taken in, or to a larger number of incidences of exposure with multiple t***smission. So larger droplets being avoided from spreading confers some protection for those around you even as smaller drops or v***s particles may still be taken in.

Containing our larger droplets makes the cloth of single layer masks d********gly hot and moist! And as also noted, you can't eat or drink with it on properly. The blue and white papery surgery masks have absorbent cores to make them feel better in that regard. A veil or looser bandana is less suffocating and kinda sexy, depending on the situation. And the person....

Nothing compares to The Lone Ranger.👍

There are worse tribulations, but often it's just the little things! Attitude can be key. And it's good to remember sometimes the only thing one can change is an attitude.

https://theunboundedspirit.com/heaven-and-hell-the-parable-of-the-long-spoons/
Part of the problem with advice regarding efficacy... (show quote)


Covering ur mouth when u sneeze works too!

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May 31, 2020 08:56:57   #
Singularity
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Covering ur mouth when u sneeze works....


That is one reason I frequently avoid shaking hands.

In the 1960's, my mother informed the new minister at our country church that she would prefer never to shake hands. She had her reasons, not pertinent here. He suggested she fold her arms or put her hands in pockets as she left services to help him remember. Women had ceased by that time to wear gloves at public events. Worked swimmingly well. Much better than the previous preacher who had made a perverse game out of trapping her at the door each week after services and making her objection obvious and seemingly rude.

Attitude is not just nuance. Sometimes we don't know how to treat each other any better. Other times, well, . . . .

Bless our hearts!

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Jun 1, 2020 20:00:54   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
Nay. They prolly charge a six pack price for one beer.


Now that's my kind of reasoning.

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Jun 1, 2020 20:01:32   #
rumitoid
 
JFlorio wrote:
Even if they don’t I respect the bar owners right to set rules in his own business and my right to not enter. I wouldn’t go there just because I don’t like being told what I have to do, one way or another.


Agree.

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Jun 1, 2020 20:02:10   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
That's the point!!

I think Rumi probably thinks different.


No.

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Jun 1, 2020 20:04:05   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
It's just proper social edicate........now days......according to.......them.......


Kinda like needing more than one fork to eat a meal.


How could you possibly sit down to eat without a proper salad fork?

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Jun 1, 2020 20:16:39   #
rumitoid
 
Singularity wrote:
I don't drink, it interferes with my other medications....

Thinking about masks and all the bellyaching.

When is the last time you felt patriotically resentful while fastening your seat belt? Or when being forced to buckle your child into a car seat? Do you struggle to remember to not smoke indoors in public? Seen a spittoon, lately?

Things change, new habits form or fade as necessity compels and the world keeps turning.

And OPP keeps churning!

How ya been, my friend?
I don't drink, it interferes with my other medicat... (show quote)


Good, and as always you are scathingly succinct and insightful. Is it just because I like to hear my open voice that I take the long way around? Rhetorical, but I think so.

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Jun 1, 2020 20:22:07   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Good, and as always you are scathingly succinct and insightful. Is it just because I like to hear my open voice that I take the long way around? Rhetorical, but I think so.




That you do, Rumi. But it is always fun to read what you say.

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