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May 29, 2020 20:05:03   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that he didn't know the racially charged history behind the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts." Trump tweeted the phrase Friday morning in reference to the clashes between protesters and police in Minneapolis following G****e F***d's death. It dates back to the civil rights era and is known to have been invoked by a white police chief cracking down on protests and a segregationist politician.

In 1967, Miami police Chief Walter Headley used the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts" during hearings about crime in the Florida city, invoking angry reactions from civil rights leaders, according to a news report at the time.

"He had a long history of bigotry against the black community," according to professor Clarence Lusane of Howard University.

"The NAACP and other black organizations had for years complained about the treatment of the black community by Miami police. At this hearing, in discussing how he would deal with what he called crime and thugs and threats by young black people, he issued this statement that the reason Miami had not had any r**ts up to that point, was because of the message he had sent out that 'when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts,' " Lusane said.

Headley was head of the police force for 20 years and referred to his "get tough" policy on crime during a 1967 news conference as a war on "young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality."

According to Lusane, Headley may have borrowed the phrase from Eugene "Bull" Connor, who had been the notorious public safety commissioner in Birmingham, Ala. Connor was a segregationist who directed the use of police dogs and fire hoses against black demonstrators.

The late 1960s saw major r**ts and uprisings in cities such as Detroit in response to police action against the black community.

Headley's use of the phrase is thought to have contributed to intensified race r**ts, including one of the most serious ones in Miami in 1980, when a black man, Arthur McDuffie, was beaten into a coma by up to a dozen white Dade County police officers after he ran a red light on his motorcycle. He later died from his injuries.

Segregationist p**********l candidate George Wallace also used the phrase during the 1968 campaign.

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May 29, 2020 20:20:24   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
GoCubs wrote:
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that he didn't know the racially charged history behind the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts." Trump tweeted the phrase Friday morning in reference to the clashes between protesters and police in Minneapolis following G****e F***d's death. It dates back to the civil rights era and is known to have been invoked by a white police chief cracking down on protests and a segregationist politician.

In 1967, Miami police Chief Walter Headley used the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts" during hearings about crime in the Florida city, invoking angry reactions from civil rights leaders, according to a news report at the time.

"He had a long history of bigotry against the black community," according to professor Clarence Lusane of Howard University.

"The NAACP and other black organizations had for years complained about the treatment of the black community by Miami police. At this hearing, in discussing how he would deal with what he called crime and thugs and threats by young black people, he issued this statement that the reason Miami had not had any r**ts up to that point, was because of the message he had sent out that 'when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts,' " Lusane said.

Headley was head of the police force for 20 years and referred to his "get tough" policy on crime during a 1967 news conference as a war on "young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality."

According to Lusane, Headley may have borrowed the phrase from Eugene "Bull" Connor, who had been the notorious public safety commissioner in Birmingham, Ala. Connor was a segregationist who directed the use of police dogs and fire hoses against black demonstrators.

The late 1960s saw major r**ts and uprisings in cities such as Detroit in response to police action against the black community.

Headley's use of the phrase is thought to have contributed to intensified race r**ts, including one of the most serious ones in Miami in 1980, when a black man, Arthur McDuffie, was beaten into a coma by up to a dozen white Dade County police officers after he ran a red light on his motorcycle. He later died from his injuries.

Segregationist p**********l candidate George Wallace also used the phrase during the 1968 campaign.
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that... (show quote)


Well Cubby, if I owned one of these businesses and some pants d**gging asshole or some hood wearing skinhead tried to l**t my business - they would have to be carried out. I'm not sure why these assholes are allowed to destroy public or private property with impunity. I'm a right wing conservative and if I read you correctly you are a left wing liberal. Are we, you and I really so far apart on this issue? I'm not talking about civil protests, I'm talking about young thugs who have no respect for anything or anyone and I have to wonder...how many of these delinquents have any idea who G****e F***d is. I'm watching these stupid assholes try to destroy CNN building in Atlanta...sad situation we find ourselves in.
SGM B out.

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May 29, 2020 20:27:34   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
GoCubs wrote:
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that he didn't know the racially charged history behind the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts." Trump tweeted the phrase Friday morning in reference to the clashes between protesters and police in Minneapolis following G****e F***d's death. It dates back to the civil rights era and is known to have been invoked by a white police chief cracking down on protests and a segregationist politician.

In 1967, Miami police Chief Walter Headley used the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts" during hearings about crime in the Florida city, invoking angry reactions from civil rights leaders, according to a news report at the time.

"He had a long history of bigotry against the black community," according to professor Clarence Lusane of Howard University.

"The NAACP and other black organizations had for years complained about the treatment of the black community by Miami police. At this hearing, in discussing how he would deal with what he called crime and thugs and threats by young black people, he issued this statement that the reason Miami had not had any r**ts up to that point, was because of the message he had sent out that 'when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts,' " Lusane said.

Headley was head of the police force for 20 years and referred to his "get tough" policy on crime during a 1967 news conference as a war on "young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality."

According to Lusane, Headley may have borrowed the phrase from Eugene "Bull" Connor, who had been the notorious public safety commissioner in Birmingham, Ala. Connor was a segregationist who directed the use of police dogs and fire hoses against black demonstrators.

The late 1960s saw major r**ts and uprisings in cities such beer.i roit in response to police action against the black community.

Headley's use of the phrase is thought to have contributed to intensified race r**ts, including one of the most serious ones in Miami in 1980, when a black man, Arthur McDuffie, was beaten into a coma by up to a dozen white Dade County police officers after he ran a red light on his motorcycle. He later died from his injuries.

Segregationist p**********l candidate George Wallace also used the phrase during the 1968 campaign.
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that... (show quote)


I haven't seen much shooting during the l**ting myself. Looks to me like they've been given free reign to burn, and l**t their own neighborhoods.

It's kinda funny, (but not really), the fact that now, they'll have to drive 20 miles to use their foodstamps, or money to buy groceries, and get their medicine, but they can't fix their cars because they burned down all of those r****t parts stores, and pharmacies.
Now they're in a real fix, huh?

My opinion is that if a minigun were applied to l**ters like we've recently seen, and made a policy, it would be a good preventative.

The building, and merchandise is already lost, so what would be the harm in tearing it up with bullets?

Might make people think.

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May 29, 2020 20:34:24   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
archie bunker wrote:
I haven't seen much shooting during the l**ting myself. Looks to me like they've been given free reign to burn, and l**t their own neighborhoods.

It's kinda funny, (but not really), the fact that now, they'll have to drive 20 miles to use their foodstamps, or money to buy groceries, and get their medicine, but they can't fix their cars because they burned down all of those r****t parts stores, and pharmacies.
Now they're in a real fix, huh?

My opinion is that if a minigun were applied to l**ters like we've recently seen, and made a policy, it would be a good preventative.

The building, and merchandise is already lost, so what would be the harm in tearing it up with bullets?

Might make people think.
I haven't seen much shooting during the l**ting my... (show quote)


Seriously Arch, make people think? With what, they obviously have no brain.
Stay healthy my friend, momma and I aren't doing too bad. Assholes are hitting Birmingham but I'm okay with that, I don't have to go up there for ANYTHING. Well, except for visits to VA and won't go there as long as they require masks to enter.

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May 29, 2020 20:36:29   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
SGM B wrote:
Well Cubby, if I owned one of these businesses and some pants d**gging asshole or some hood wearing skinhead tried to l**t my business - they would have to be carried out. I'm not sure why these assholes are allowed to destroy public or private property with impunity. I'm a right wing conservative and if I read you correctly you are a left wing liberal. Are we, you and I really so far apart on this issue? I'm not talking about civil protests, I'm talking about young thugs who have no respect for anything or anyone and I have to wonder...how many of these delinquents have any idea who G****e F***d is. I'm watching these stupid assholes try to destroy CNN building in Atlanta...sad situation we find ourselves in.
SGM B out.
Well Cubby, if I owned one of these businesses and... (show quote)


Lol. Good rebuttal. I couldn't agree with you more. Believe me, we are not far apart on this issue. I'm not left or liberal - just a Trump h**er. Was only trying to point out how he poured gas on the fire. Your reply has already made me regret creating this post. Oh well. Yours was a very sound rebuttal. I just think the jackass criminal r****r/ l**ters should be arrested and not shot.

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May 29, 2020 20:42:04   #
GoCubs Loc: Earth
 
archie bunker wrote:
I haven't seen much shooting during the l**ting myself. Looks to me like they've been given free reign to burn, and l**t their own neighborhoods.

It's kinda funny, (but not really), the fact that now, they'll have to drive 20 miles to use their foodstamps, or money to buy groceries, and get their medicine, but they can't fix their cars because they burned down all of those r****t parts stores, and pharmacies.
Now they're in a real fix, huh?

My opinion is that if a minigun were applied to l**ters like we've recently seen, and made a policy, it would be a good preventative.

The building, and merchandise is already lost, so what would be the harm in tearing it up with bullets?

Might make people think.
I haven't seen much shooting during the l**ting my... (show quote)


I agree Archie except I don't agree w/ Trump advocating shooting them. Some may deserve that but our president shouldn't be promoting it. I also, like you, think it's funny (and more than kinda') that they now have to drive 20 miles to get the essentials. So stupid.

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May 29, 2020 20:47:03   #
Larry Joe
 
GoCubs wrote:
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that he didn't know the racially charged history behind the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts." Trump tweeted the phrase Friday morning in reference to the clashes between protesters and police in Minneapolis following G****e F***d's death. It dates back to the civil rights era and is known to have been invoked by a white police chief cracking down on protests and a segregationist politician.

In 1967, Miami police Chief Walter Headley used the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts" during hearings about crime in the Florida city, invoking angry reactions from civil rights leaders, according to a news report at the time.

"He had a long history of bigotry against the black community," according to professor Clarence Lusane of Howard University.

"The NAACP and other black organizations had for years complained about the treatment of the black community by Miami police. At this hearing, in discussing how he would deal with what he called crime and thugs and threats by young black people, he issued this statement that the reason Miami had not had any r**ts up to that point, was because of the message he had sent out that 'when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts,' " Lusane said.

Headley was head of the police force for 20 years and referred to his "get tough" policy on crime during a 1967 news conference as a war on "young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality."

According to Lusane, Headley may have borrowed the phrase from Eugene "Bull" Connor, who had been the notorious public safety commissioner in Birmingham, Ala. Connor was a segregationist who directed the use of police dogs and fire hoses against black demonstrators.

The late 1960s saw major r**ts and uprisings in cities such as Detroit in response to police action against the black community.

Headley's use of the phrase is thought to have contributed to intensified race r**ts, including one of the most serious ones in Miami in 1980, when a black man, Arthur McDuffie, was beaten into a coma by up to a dozen white Dade County police officers after he ran a red light on his motorcycle. He later died from his injuries.

Segregationist p**********l candidate George Wallace also used the phrase during the 1968 campaign.
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that... (show quote)


Go Cubs, were you ever in the military? The National Guard was called out during the Kansas City r**ts in the late 60s. The Guard Commander, Col. Jake Griner was our next door neighbor. When the Guard arrived in K.C., he was instructed by the mayor to match up each guardsman with a civilian officer, but they were not to have loaded rifles. Col. Griner stated that if his men were not fully armed, they would not deploy. The mayor gave in. The word was released to the media that Guardmens were fully armed. The r**ts ended that night without a shot being fired by anyone. Col. Jake Griner wasn’t kidding! His comment to me at the time was: “You either have law and order, or you have anarchy, and there will not be anarchy on my watch “. Failure to control violence leads to more violence.

I fear our country is on the edge. Take care and be safe.
Larry Joe

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May 29, 2020 20:58:58   #
frogdog
 
GoCubs wrote:
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that he didn't know the racially charged history behind the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts." Trump tweeted the phrase Friday morning in reference to the clashes between protesters and police in Minneapolis following G****e F***d's death. It dates back to the civil rights era and is known to have been invoked by a white police chief cracking down on protests and a segregationist politician.

In 1967, Miami police Chief Walter Headley used the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts" during hearings about crime in the Florida city, invoking angry reactions from civil rights leaders, according to a news report at the time.

"He had a long history of bigotry against the black community," according to professor Clarence Lusane of Howard University.

"The NAACP and other black organizations had for years complained about the treatment of the black community by Miami police. At this hearing, in discussing how he would deal with what he called crime and thugs and threats by young black people, he issued this statement that the reason Miami had not had any r**ts up to that point, was because of the message he had sent out that 'when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts,' " Lusane said.

Headley was head of the police force for 20 years and referred to his "get tough" policy on crime during a 1967 news conference as a war on "young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality."

According to Lusane, Headley may have borrowed the phrase from Eugene "Bull" Connor, who had been the notorious public safety commissioner in Birmingham, Ala. Connor was a segregationist who directed the use of police dogs and fire hoses against black demonstrators.

The late 1960s saw major r**ts and uprisings in cities such as Detroit in response to police action against the black community.

Headley's use of the phrase is thought to have contributed to intensified race r**ts, including one of the most serious ones in Miami in 1980, when a black man, Arthur McDuffie, was beaten into a coma by up to a dozen white Dade County police officers after he ran a red light on his motorcycle. He later died from his injuries.

Segregationist p**********l candidate George Wallace also used the phrase during the 1968 campaign.
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that... (show quote)


Civil rights leaders lead no one. The are all race baiters making money off their own people.

When I was growing up black people were marching for e******y and anti-segregation. Why do they self segregate themselves with black owned this and black owned that? Why do the call themselves black, and not just blend in and become people. They make up about 15 percent of the population yet they are in every TV commercial made today. Pre-Obama, they almost were blended in.

National, as well as local companies, seem to believe that every couple in the country are mixed race couples.
That is true black power. Black people in this country have it better than anywhere else in the world and they are not the only poor and uneducated people in this country, but if you listen to MSM you would think black people are the only people in the country that have bad things happen to them.

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May 29, 2020 21:02:52   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
GoCubs wrote:
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that he didn't know the racially charged history behind the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts." Trump tweeted the phrase Friday morning in reference to the clashes between protesters and police in Minneapolis following G****e F***d's death. It dates back to the civil rights era and is known to have been invoked by a white police chief cracking down on protests and a segregationist politician.

In 1967, Miami police Chief Walter Headley used the phrase "when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts" during hearings about crime in the Florida city, invoking angry reactions from civil rights leaders, according to a news report at the time.

"He had a long history of bigotry against the black community," according to professor Clarence Lusane of Howard University.

"The NAACP and other black organizations had for years complained about the treatment of the black community by Miami police. At this hearing, in discussing how he would deal with what he called crime and thugs and threats by young black people, he issued this statement that the reason Miami had not had any r**ts up to that point, was because of the message he had sent out that 'when the l**ting starts, the shooting starts,' " Lusane said.

Headley was head of the police force for 20 years and referred to his "get tough" policy on crime during a 1967 news conference as a war on "young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality."

According to Lusane, Headley may have borrowed the phrase from Eugene "Bull" Connor, who had been the notorious public safety commissioner in Birmingham, Ala. Connor was a segregationist who directed the use of police dogs and fire hoses against black demonstrators.

The late 1960s saw major r**ts and uprisings in cities such as Detroit in response to police action against the black community.

Headley's use of the phrase is thought to have contributed to intensified race r**ts, including one of the most serious ones in Miami in 1980, when a black man, Arthur McDuffie, was beaten into a coma by up to a dozen white Dade County police officers after he ran a red light on his motorcycle. He later died from his injuries.

Segregationist p**********l candidate George Wallace also used the phrase during the 1968 campaign.
President Trump told reporters Friday evening that... (show quote)


There is no way to equate Civil Rights protests with L**ting.

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May 29, 2020 21:07:15   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
GoCubs wrote:
I agree Archie except I don't agree w/ Trump advocating shooting them. Some may deserve that but our president shouldn't be promoting it. I also, like you, think it's funny (and more than kinda') that they now have to drive 20 miles to get the essentials. So stupid.


Hey Cubby, you okay with using water cannons? Not normally lethal but usually very effective. I'm not sure some of these buffoons would understand anything but hot lead.
Hey Arch, what do you think?
SGM B out

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May 29, 2020 21:08:44   #
frogdog
 
dtucker300 wrote:
There is no way to equate Civil Rights protests with L**ting.


L**ting and R**TING. Can't anyone in the media call this for what it is??? This is no protest any longer!!!

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May 29, 2020 21:12:41   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
frogdog wrote:
Civil rights leaders lead no one. The are all race baiters making money off their own people.

When I was growing up black people were marching for e******y and anti-segregation. Why do they self segregate themselves with black owned this and black owned that? Why do the call themselves black, and not just blend in and become people. They make up about 15 percent of the population yet they are in every TV commercial made today. Pre-Obama, they almost were blended in.

National, as well as local companies, seem to believe that every couple in the country are mixed race couples.
That is true black power. Black people in this country have it better than anywhere else in the world and they are not the only poor and uneducated people in this country, but if you listen to MSM you would think black people are the only people in the country that have bad things happen to them.
Civil rights leaders lead no one. The are all race... (show quote)


Hey frogdog, astute observation and I believe I agree with you.
SGM B out.

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May 29, 2020 21:15:07   #
frogdog
 
SGM B wrote:
Hey frogdog, astute observation and I believe I agree with you.
SGM B out.


From the picture in your avatar I would hope you like me. Val Kilmer in Tombstone was my kinda man!!!

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May 29, 2020 21:18:45   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
GoCubs wrote:
I agree Archie except I don't agree w/ Trump advocating shooting them. Some may deserve that but our president shouldn't be promoting it. I also, like you, think it's funny (and more than kinda') that they now have to drive 20 miles to get the essentials. So stupid.


I hadn't heard that Trump advocated shooting them. If he did, I'm with him.

There should be a strict penalty for this crap other than three hots, and a cot.

If you're against shooting them, then how about roping them, hog tying them, and cutting their hands off? Cauterize it with a hot iron so they don't bleed out, and send them on their way to live their lives.

I h**e a thief worse than anything, and an opportunistic, low life thief using a bad situation to destroy, and steal should face hot lead, or worse.

If you wanna know about worse, jus ask me.

Rawhide is a wonderful thing!!

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May 29, 2020 21:20:23   #
Auntie Dee
 
frogdog wrote:
Civil rights leaders lead no one. The are all race baiters making money off their own people.

When I was growing up black people were marching for e******y and anti-segregation. Why do they self segregate themselves with black owned this and black owned that? Why do the call themselves black, and not just blend in and become people. They make up about 15 percent of the population yet they are in every TV commercial made today. Pre-Obama, they almost were blended in.

National, as well as local companies, seem to believe that every couple in the country are mixed race couples.
That is true black power. Black people in this country have it better than anywhere else in the world and they are not the only poor and uneducated people in this country, but if you listen to MSM you would think black people are the only people in the country that have bad things happen to them.
Civil rights leaders lead no one. The are all race... (show quote)


I could not agree with you more! Every single word!!

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