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I don't know how many threads I created against the No-mask protesters, but I thought I would need just one
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May 22, 2020 19:49:35   #
rumitoid
 
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well, I could say that it is shockingly and irrefutably wrong not to wear a mask. Wearing a mask is a basic patriotic duty, and just the right thing to do out of common decency. Trump has helped confuse evil as good, especially his modeling of not wearing a mask. And he helped to make this point a matter of a cultural war. Pitting American against American when we need to stand together more than ever against this national and deadly threat. Is your neighbor looking to protect his or her family and your family by wearing a mask really an enemy? Some governors, I feel, have overstepped in their lock-downs, but the incredibly simple task of wearing a mask and social distancing is not a yolk of tyranny: it is compassion.

But why do I bother? Not to know these simple truths staggers my mind and leaves me with little hope for the continuous of our country as a free nation. The president's relentless amoral behavior and making blaming and lies the basis of his policies has warped the thinking of we the people. His ways are seriously corrupting to the soul of America. He has moral discernment for partisanship and his own interest. God help us. We need it!

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May 22, 2020 19:56:42   #
American Vet
 
rumitoid wrote:
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well, I could say that it is shockingly and irrefutably wrong not to wear a mask. Wearing a mask is a basic patriotic duty, and just the right thing to do out of common decency. Trump has helped confuse evil as good, especially his modeling of not wearing a mask. And he helped to make this point a matter of a cultural war. Pitting American against American when we need to stand together more than ever against this national and deadly threat. Is your neighbor looking to protect his or her family and your family by wearing a mask really an enemy? Some governors, I feel, have overstepped in their lock-downs, but the incredibly simple task of wearing a mask and social distancing is not a yolk of tyranny: it is compassion.
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well,... (show quote)


And explain exactly how wearing a mask will prevent one from being infected with the Wuhan flu....

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May 22, 2020 20:05:18   #
rumitoid
 
American Vet wrote:
And explain exactly how wearing a mask will prevent one from being infected with the Wuhan flu....


There is evidence that it slows the spread. It is not a cure. The slower the spread, the better chance to outpace COVID-19.

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May 22, 2020 20:12:42   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well, I could say that it is shockingly and irrefutably wrong not to wear a mask. Wearing a mask is a basic patriotic duty, and just the right thing to do out of common decency. Trump has helped confuse evil as good, especially his modeling of not wearing a mask. And he helped to make this point a matter of a cultural war. Pitting American against American when we need to stand together more than ever against this national and deadly threat. Is your neighbor looking to protect his or her family and your family by wearing a mask really an enemy? Some governors, I feel, have overstepped in their lock-downs, but the incredibly simple task of wearing a mask and social distancing is not a yolk of tyranny: it is compassion.

But why do I bother? Not to know these simple truths staggers my mind and leaves me with little hope for the continuous of our country as a free nation. The president's relentless amoral behavior and making blaming and lies the basis of his policies has warped the thinking of we the people. His ways are seriously corrupting to the soul of America. He has moral discernment for partisanship and his own interest. God help us. We need it!
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well,... (show quote)


The relentless, and senseless battery of an equine corpse should be illegal with harsh punishment.

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May 22, 2020 20:14:01   #
American Vet
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is evidence that it slows the spread. It is not a cure. The slower the spread, the better chance to outpace COVID-19.


So wearing a mask will not prevent one from contracting Wuhan flu.

Thanks

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May 22, 2020 20:18:29   #
Gatsby
 
rumitoid wrote:
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well, I could say that it is shockingly and irrefutably wrong not to wear a mask. Wearing a mask is a basic patriotic duty, and just the right thing to do out of common decency. Trump has helped confuse evil as good, especially his modeling of not wearing a mask. And he helped to make this point a matter of a cultural war. Pitting American against American when we need to stand together more than ever against this national and deadly threat. Is your neighbor looking to protect his or her family and your family by wearing a mask really an enemy? Some governors, I feel, have overstepped in their lock-downs, but the incredibly simple task of wearing a mask and social distancing is not a yolk of tyranny: it is compassion.

But why do I bother? Not to know these simple truths staggers my mind and leaves me with little hope for the continuous of our country as a free nation. The president's relentless amoral behavior and making blaming and lies the basis of his policies has warped the thinking of we the people. His ways are seriously corrupting to the soul of America. He has moral discernment for partisanship and his own interest. God help us. We need it!
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well,... (show quote)


No one values your opinion, with just cause.

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May 22, 2020 20:28:59   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is evidence that it slows the spread. It is not a cure. The slower the spread, the better chance to outpace COVID-19.
The bottom line is that masks might help keep people with COVID-19 from unknowingly passing along the virus. But the evidence for the efficacy of surgical or homemade masks is limited, and masks aren't the most important protection against the coronavirus.

Recommendations about masks can easily get confusing, because all masks are not made equal. The N95 mask effectively prevents viral spread. These masks, when properly fitted, seal closely to the face and filter out 95% of particles 0.3 microns or larger. But N95 masks are in serious shortage even for medical professionals, who are exposed to the highest levels of SARS-CoV-2 and are most in need of the strongest protection against the virus. They're also difficult to fit correctly. For those reasons, the CDC does not recommend them for general use.

Due to shortages, the CDC also does not recommend surgical masks for the general public. These masks don't seal against the face but do include non-woven polypropylene layers that are moisture resistant. In a surgical mask, about 70% of the outside air moves through the mask and about 30% travels around the sides, Chu told Live Science. For that reason, they don't offer as much protection as N95s.

That leaves fabric masks, which currently are recommended for general use by the CDC. Fabric masks also allow air in around the sides, but lack non-woven, moisture-repelling layers. They impede only about 2% of airflow in, Chu said.

All of this leakage in surgical and fabric masks are why public health officials generally don't believe that wearing a mask prevents anyone from catching a virus that is already floating around in the environment. Airflow follows the path of least resistance, said Rachael Jones, an associate professor of family and preventive medicine at the University of Utah who was not involved in the new research. If viral particles are nearby, they have an easy path around a surgical or fabric mask. And in the case of a fabric mask, wearers may well be wafting in particles small enough to flow right through the fabric.

"To me, it's not harmful to wear these masks, but it doesn't look from this study like there is a whole lot of benefit," Jones said. The sample size for seasonal coronavirus was small, she said, and there was a large amount of non-mask-related variation in how much virus people emitted, particularly given that the majority of samples without masks didn't have detectable coronavirus.

But what about the other way around? When the wearer of a mask coughs or sneezes, the barrier might be enough to contain a lot of that initial jet of grossness — even if there are gaps in the fabric or around the sides. That's what the new mask studies aimed to address: Whether surgical or fabric masks did a good job of containing viruses.

Efficacy of face masks

One study, published April 6 in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, found that they did not. That study, led by South Korean researchers, involved asking four patients with COVID-19 to cough into a petri dish 7.8 inches (20 centimeters) away. The patients coughed without masks, while wearing a disposable surgical mask and again wearing a 100% cotton mask.

Neither mask meaningfully decreased the viral load coughed onto the petri dishes. But experts not involved in the study who were contacted by Live Science were hesitant to put much stock into the findings. The researchers didn't look at distances beyond 7.8 inches to see if droplets didn't travel as far while people were wearing masks, Chu said.

"They didn't measure 2 feet or 3 feet or 4 feet," she said.

The study also returned the odd result that most swabs from the outside of patient masks were positive for coronavirus and most from the inside were negative. The authors speculate that perhaps turbulent jets of air from coughing carried the virus toward the outside of the mask, but the explanation wasn't very satisfying, according to Jones.

The other study, published April 3 in the journal Nature Medicine, used a more sophisticated method of collecting the virus particles that sick people emit. The researchers asked 426 volunteers to breathe for 30 minutes into a cone-like device that captures everything exhaled. Of these, 43 patients had influenza, 54 patients had rhinoviruses and 17 patients had seasonal coronaviruses (the kinds that cause colds, not the kind that causes COVID-19). This method allowed the researchers to quantify how much virus was found in droplet particles, which are greater than 0.0002 inches (5 microns) in diameter, versus aerosol particles, which are 5 microns or smaller. The participants were randomized to either wear a surgical mask or not wear a mask during the study.



One thing everyone does agree on is that, whatever containment provided by non-fitted masks do provide, homemade fabric masks are the least effective. The recommendations that everyone wear masks are because "any kind of impediment is better than nothing," Chu said. But fabric masks are not expected to be as protective as surgical masks, she said. That's why public health officials are warning people to remain at least 6 feet apart from one another, even if they are wearing masks. In other words, homemade masks are likely to be just a small piece of the puzzle for controlling the COVID-19 pandemic.

"There's been enough research done to be able to confidently say that masks wouldn't be able to stop the spread of infection, that they would only have a small effect on transmission," Cowling said. "We shouldn't be relying on masks to help us go back to normal."

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May 22, 2020 20:45:14   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The bottom line is that masks might help keep people with COVID-19 from unknowingly passing along the virus. But the evidence for the efficacy of surgical or homemade masks is limited, and masks aren't the most important protection against the coronavirus.

Recommendations about masks can easily get confusing, because all masks are not made equal. The N95 mask effectively prevents viral spread. These masks, when properly fitted, seal closely to the face and filter out 95% of particles 0.3 microns or larger. But N95 masks are in serious shortage even for medical professionals, who are exposed to the highest levels of SARS-CoV-2 and are most in need of the strongest protection against the virus. They're also difficult to fit correctly. For those reasons, the CDC does not recommend them for general use.

Due to shortages, the CDC also does not recommend surgical masks for the general public. These masks don't seal against the face but do include non-woven polypropylene layers that are moisture resistant. In a surgical mask, about 70% of the outside air moves through the mask and about 30% travels around the sides, Chu told Live Science. For that reason, they don't offer as much protection as N95s.

That leaves fabric masks, which currently are recommended for general use by the CDC. Fabric masks also allow air in around the sides, but lack non-woven, moisture-repelling layers. They impede only about 2% of airflow in, Chu said.

All of this leakage in surgical and fabric masks are why public health officials generally don't believe that wearing a mask prevents anyone from catching a virus that is already floating around in the environment. Airflow follows the path of least resistance, said Rachael Jones, an associate professor of family and preventive medicine at the University of Utah who was not involved in the new research. If viral particles are nearby, they have an easy path around a surgical or fabric mask. And in the case of a fabric mask, wearers may well be wafting in particles small enough to flow right through the fabric.

"To me, it's not harmful to wear these masks, but it doesn't look from this study like there is a whole lot of benefit," Jones said. The sample size for seasonal coronavirus was small, she said, and there was a large amount of non-mask-related variation in how much virus people emitted, particularly given that the majority of samples without masks didn't have detectable coronavirus.

But what about the other way around? When the wearer of a mask coughs or sneezes, the barrier might be enough to contain a lot of that initial jet of grossness — even if there are gaps in the fabric or around the sides. That's what the new mask studies aimed to address: Whether surgical or fabric masks did a good job of containing viruses.

Efficacy of face masks

One study, published April 6 in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, found that they did not. That study, led by South Korean researchers, involved asking four patients with COVID-19 to cough into a petri dish 7.8 inches (20 centimeters) away. The patients coughed without masks, while wearing a disposable surgical mask and again wearing a 100% cotton mask.

Neither mask meaningfully decreased the viral load coughed onto the petri dishes. But experts not involved in the study who were contacted by Live Science were hesitant to put much stock into the findings. The researchers didn't look at distances beyond 7.8 inches to see if droplets didn't travel as far while people were wearing masks, Chu said.

"They didn't measure 2 feet or 3 feet or 4 feet," she said.

The study also returned the odd result that most swabs from the outside of patient masks were positive for coronavirus and most from the inside were negative. The authors speculate that perhaps turbulent jets of air from coughing carried the virus toward the outside of the mask, but the explanation wasn't very satisfying, according to Jones.

The other study, published April 3 in the journal Nature Medicine, used a more sophisticated method of collecting the virus particles that sick people emit. The researchers asked 426 volunteers to breathe for 30 minutes into a cone-like device that captures everything exhaled. Of these, 43 patients had influenza, 54 patients had rhinoviruses and 17 patients had seasonal coronaviruses (the kinds that cause colds, not the kind that causes COVID-19). This method allowed the researchers to quantify how much virus was found in droplet particles, which are greater than 0.0002 inches (5 microns) in diameter, versus aerosol particles, which are 5 microns or smaller. The participants were randomized to either wear a surgical mask or not wear a mask during the study.



One thing everyone does agree on is that, whatever containment provided by non-fitted masks do provide, homemade fabric masks are the least effective. The recommendations that everyone wear masks are because "any kind of impediment is better than nothing," Chu said. But fabric masks are not expected to be as protective as surgical masks, she said. That's why public health officials are warning people to remain at least 6 feet apart from one another, even if they are wearing masks. In other words, homemade masks are likely to be just a small piece of the puzzle for controlling the COVID-19 pandemic.

"There's been enough research done to be able to confidently say that masks wouldn't be able to stop the spread of infection, that they would only have a small effect on transmission," Cowling said. "We shouldn't be relying on masks to help us go back to normal."
i The bottom line is that masks might help keep p... (show quote)


Doesn't matter if they have any actual benifit, or not. We should wear them to make others FEEL better.

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May 22, 2020 21:39:05   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well, I could say that it is shockingly and irrefutably wrong not to wear a mask. Wearing a mask is a basic patriotic duty, and just the right thing to do out of common decency. Trump has helped confuse evil as good, especially his modeling of not wearing a mask. And he helped to make this point a matter of a cultural war. Pitting American against American when we need to stand together more than ever against this national and deadly threat. Is your neighbor looking to protect his or her family and your family by wearing a mask really an enemy? Some governors, I feel, have overstepped in their lock-downs, but the incredibly simple task of wearing a mask and social distancing is not a yolk of tyranny: it is compassion.

But why do I bother? Not to know these simple truths staggers my mind and leaves me with little hope for the continuous of our country as a free nation. The president's relentless amoral behavior and making blaming and lies the basis of his policies has warped the thinking of we the people. His ways are seriously corrupting to the soul of America. He has moral discernment for partisanship and his own interest. God help us. We need it!
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well,... (show quote)


Masks scare children.



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May 22, 2020 21:43:48   #
Redangel62
 
rumitoid wrote:
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well, I could say that it is shockingly and irrefutably wrong not to wear a mask. Wearing a mask is a basic patriotic duty, and just the right thing to do out of common decency. Trump has helped confuse evil as good, especially his modeling of not wearing a mask. And he helped to make this point a matter of a cultural war. Pitting American against American when we need to stand together more than ever against this national and deadly threat. Is your neighbor looking to protect his or her family and your family by wearing a mask really an enemy? Some governors, I feel, have overstepped in their lock-downs, but the incredibly simple task of wearing a mask and social distancing is not a yolk of tyranny: it is compassion.

But why do I bother? Not to know these simple truths staggers my mind and leaves me with little hope for the continuous of our country as a free nation. The president's relentless amoral behavior and making blaming and lies the basis of his policies has warped the thinking of we the people. His ways are seriously corrupting to the soul of America. He has moral discernment for partisanship and his own interest. God help us. We need it!
It is wrong: how else to say it any clearer? Well,... (show quote)


You really need to look up and study moral narcissism. Then get some help please

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May 22, 2020 21:58:16   #
Rose42
 
archie bunker wrote:
The relentless, and senseless battery of an equine corpse should be illegal with harsh punishment.



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May 23, 2020 00:42:09   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
Doesn't matter if they have any actual benifit, or not. We should wear them to make others FEEL better.


Yes, at least.

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May 23, 2020 00:47:02   #
rumitoid
 
Redangel62 wrote:
You really need to look up and study moral narcissism. Then get some help please


Nice idea, except that there is no such animal as "moral Narcissism." Narcissism, as best demonstrated by Trump, is amoral, attuned to one thing: a person's image of themselves and their needs.

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May 23, 2020 18:16:57   #
Rose42
 
rumitoid wrote:
Nice idea, except that there is no such animal as "moral Narcissism." Narcissism, as best demonstrated by Trump, is amoral, attuned to one thing: a person's image of themselves and their needs.


Yes there is. And it describes you perfectly. No deflection to Trump. Its Y-O-U.

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May 24, 2020 13:42:40   #
rumitoid
 
Redangel62 wrote:
You really need to look up and study moral narcissism. Then get some help please


Thank you. Always open to improving myself.

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