Saspatz007 wrote:
I see plenty of guilt to go around. Right now? TDS is real, and belongs in the DSM.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
I couldn't agree more.
That must mean that all those hundreds of doctors in all those other countries as well as several in New York State, even, who have been using it for weeks and swear it is working for most of their patients must be hallucinating.
Please dig down to the study itself.
It is not conclusive.
Hydroxychloroquine showed very promising results in early days.
Unfortunately, while it may be useful in some cases, it may be too dangerous as a standard of care.
We still have a lot to learn about this v***s.
I've pretty well reached the point that I don't trust most of these reports because they all conflict, but I also recall from living in NY as recently as 27 months ago that there's little to choose between reporting by NY1 and reporting by the rest of the MSM.
It does seem "strange" that one week we're hearing how well it works and then the next, in the same place, we're hearing it doesn't work.
Something highly fishy (🐟) there.
Saspatz007 wrote:
Study isn’t conclusive but sure doesn’t look good.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
A recent study, including over 96000 hospitalized C****-** confirmed patients from over 650 hospitals on 6 continents, indicates the antimalarial medications of such public renown may do more harm than good.
The study corrects for age, BMI, and other health problems.
4 treatment groups were examined.
Hydroxylchloroquine alone
““ combined with antibiotics
Chloroquine alone
“” combined with antibiotics
The study found a higher death rate among patients who received these treatments than those who didn’t receive them.
Apparently, the most common problem was the development of new heart problems.
Study isn’t conclusive but sure doesn’t look good.... (
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Nobody really believes Trump is taking hydroxochloroquine anyway.
kemmer wrote:
Nobody really believes Trump is taking hydroxochloroquine anyway.
Third graders are 8, it's fun to be 8.
bilordinary wrote:
Third graders are 8, it's fun to be 8.
I used to be 8, it's still fun being 8.
bilordinary wrote:
Third graders are 8, it's fun to be 8.
Now if only Trump would grow out of that.
kemmer wrote:
Now if only Trump would grow out of that.
What's your favorite, little girls or little boys?
kemmer wrote:
You first.
I'm glad that didn't piss you off.
Seth wrote:
I've pretty well reached the point that I don't trust most of these reports because they all conflict, but I also recall from living in NY as recently as 27 months ago that there's little to choose between reporting by NY1 and reporting by the rest of the MSM.
It does seem "strange" that one week we're hearing how well it works and then the next, in the same place, we're hearing it doesn't work.
Something highly fishy (🐟) there.
Yes, it’s frustrating. There are a number of factors in play.
- The unfortunate influence of politics.
The effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine has become a political issue, as if Trumps opinion of the treatment demonstrates his competence, or lack thereof. One side insists that Trumps opinion is absolutely right, as proof of competence. The other insists it is absolutely wrong as proof of incompetence. The fact is he’s not a doctor, nor does he claim to be. We just don’t know what treatments will prove to be effective.
- As we learn more about the v***s, medical opinions change. That’s how science works. Someone proposes a hypothesis. The hypothesis is tested. Maybe it looks good. Then further testing reveals new information. The hypothesis may be supported and have more weight, it may be adjusted to take the new evidence into account or discarded entirely if the new evidence disproves the hypothesis. If enough evidence supports a hypothesis it eventually becomes a theory. There are no scientific theories that can’t be discarded tomorrow if sufficient evidence disproves them.
- The public is desperate for a solution, so any treatment that shows promise is jumped on. It seems many people have pinned their hopes on hydroxychloroquine. The possibility that it doesn’t work, or is too dangerous as a baseline treatment, terrifies them.
I truly hope we find an treatment that works well enough to save as many lives as possible. I’m just not convinced hydroxychloroquine is it.
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