Cuda2020

Think of the money we would save, freeing people who were incarcerated for a crime such as the possession of marijuana. Their record should be expunged so that they can go on to get a better job and lead a more productive life.

Rose42

Yes I get it. But keep at it as you always do because the left is "smart".

Seth

What you're missing here is that many people grow weary of fellow citizens who support intrusive government that won't simply leave people the hell alone and who use intrusive government to force their will on others.

That is not America, that does not belong in America and people like that are no better than termites, scabies or cockroaches in our society.

This isn't a question of race, religion or national origin being discriminated against, it is a question of individuals who engage in practices that defy the nature of our species forcing acceptance on the unwilling of what they do as normal.

Personally, I could care less what two people want to do behind closed doors, it's none of my business. In fact, having lived in N.Y., L.A. and S.F., interacting with gay people and even having a few as friends is nothing new, but the latter have always been the kind of folks who knew and respected exactly where I stand and not tried to force any of their issues on me.

There are a lot of gays in practically every area of endeavor and I doubt that with as many bakeries as they have in that town at least a few would have gay owners or managers.

The people could have gone to one of them and likely had no problem, but that would have deprived them of the opportunity to see if they could get the local legal system to force their will on Phillips.

These are the kinds of gay people whom the Democrats kiss up to for v**es, they are the opposite of the gay Republicans called the Log Cabin Republicans, who actually support our right to be left the hell alone by the government.

Like I said, these people hassling the Masterpiece Bake Shop and all the Democrats who support them are little more than termites, scabies and cockroaches in our society.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Agreed that what you are pointing out has the same effect.
But the Constitution specifically forbids making a law that is retroactive - Ex Post Facto.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

What everyone seems to be missing about public accommodation laws is that if a proprietor offers something to one they must offer it to all. He makes wedding cakes, all of them by definition custom. They are not just plain cakes, which he does offer to all. If a Muslim or Atheist offers WEDDING cakes to anyone, the law requires that they offer them to all. It's really very simple. And the baker in question completely understood this. As his case worked its way through the courts he stopped offering wedding cakes to all rather than be forced to make one for a celebration of which he did not approve. As we have seen, SCOTUS has opened a can of worms whereby anyone may claim a religious exemption for anything at all.

Unfortunately, while either party can appeal a SCOTUS ruling, unlike in appeals court SCOTUS may pick and choose which cases it hears. So it is unlikely an appeal would ever be heard.

frogdog

Does you be Q***r, or is yous tryin to say somepin. I been seein q***rs in my bakery getting a little sugar fo a long time. What it is you bes sayin?

Boy from the Bronx

How can Josef Goebbels be "today's Democrats' propaganda daddy"? He's been dead for the past 75 years!

Seth

He was known to have advised that a propagandist should always accuse the opposition of doing bad stuff his or her own side does. His legacy of lies lives on in the Democratic Party.

All the d********gly corrupt practices of a number of Democrats are ignored by your ilk -- Hillary's, the Bidens and others, for example. B******i, Uranium One, Fast & Furious all happened and all are ignored or downplayed by the Democrats, which means none of you could care less -- Attempts to frame President Trump for non-existent crimes and other treasonous acts are based on lies and as time progresses, while your lot and the MSM ignore all the evidence that continues to come out, it comes out anyway.

In true Goebbels fashion, however, you ignore it all while accusing Trump of all the kind of corruption and treason the Democrats are guilty of, while he's done none of it.

On the positive side, however, his latest press secretary, a quick thinking, well informed, dynamic woman who calls the Democrats on their lies and throws the hypocrisy right back in the mainstream media's faces, takes no prisoners:

https://youtu.be/AnFXywIbkzo

Boy from the Bronx

I could say the same thing about you Republicans. You accuse the Democrats of corruption (with or without proof), but you ignore an equal amount or worse corruption in the G.O.P.

Trump has done plenty of bad things since he's been President. He constantly lies to the press and the public, he swears the reputations of people who disagree with him, making fun of them, making false accusations about them, calling them vile names, etc (especially through his "tweets"), he changes his stories in order to distract attention from his lies and half-t***hs, he blames others for his troubles, he never takes responsibility for anything, he fires people who differ with him, he never admits when he's wrong, he thinks he's always right, he took too long to do something about the c****av***s, which he originally called a "h**x" by the Democrats, but worst of all, he behaves like a spoiled rotten rich brat, like a schoolyard bully, and like a paranoid tyrant who sees enemies everywhere, especially among the media, which he has called "evil," and "the enemy of the people," and has threatened to silence by using (or rather misusing) the libel laws, even though to do so would violate the First Amendment guarantee of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press.

While all these things probably wouldn't fit the traditional definition of corruption, you have to admit that they are basically immoral acts.

Kickaha Loc: Nebraska

As a boss, he has every right to fire his employees who are detrimental to his vision of what he wants to accomplish. If he believes that someone is lying about him, he is within his rights to file libel charges to clear his name. Free speech and freedom of the press don't give them carte blanc to print or say wh**ever lies they want. A press that spreads f**e news IS the enemy of the people. He did not call the c****a v***s a h**x. He called the Democrats politicizing it a h**x. I agree he needs to either give Twitter a rest or at least tone down the rhetoric. But it is nice to see someone attacked by his opponents or even the press, fight back for a change. Too often conservatives or Republicans have just rolled over and played dead when attacked. I'm sure you'd prefer to see your side fight back when they are attacked.

Seth

If the Democrats' Ministry of Propaganda mainstream media did their job and presented fair and impartial reporting as their product, all the hard evidence that continues to emerge about criminal wrongdoing by Democrats would be public knowledge. It would also be public knowledge that thanks to Obama's deep state sycophancy in the federal Law Enforcement and Intelligence communities, a number of indictable offenses occurring under that former POTUS' auspices would have been addressed and thoroughly scandalized Obama's so-called "scandal free" presidency.

However, thanks to the Democrats' media stooges and the political corruption with which that administration from January 2009-January 2017 was rife, Obama and his minions got away (at least, as we will soon learn, for the time being) with a historically unprecedented amount of skullduggery.

Meanwhile the Trump Administration, which has committed no fouls of an indictable or, despite semi-recent House proceedings, impeachable nature, is forced to function under a constant bombardment of false accusations, unreasonably conceived investigations, unfounded innuendo, slander and both unproven and unprovable allegations to a degree as unprecedented as were the Obama Administration's plethora of high crimes and misdemeanors.

It has been a perfect Goebbels scenario: the side that breaks every law known to man and violates every ethic accusing the side that doesn't of being what they themselves have become.

You go ahead and live in your personal twilight zone, then in the not too distant future when the indictments start rolling in supported by hard proof rather than the Muelleresque multi-million dollar (the taxpayers' millions) nothing burgers like the phony collusion accusation or the nothing to impeach over impeachment see what you have to say.

When former FBI and CIA officials are actually convicted of setting up the f**e collusion s**m and the inevitable rolling over leads right to Obama's door, useful fools, dupes and dumbjohns such as yourself undoubtedly still won't get it.

You still won't comprehend the Goebbels technique that was used of the bad guys accusing the good guys of doing what they, the bad guys, do. Because you're all the kind of people l*****ts require -- gullible, weak minded tools who can be easily turned against your own country.

Wolfman888

Gullible weak minded fools is more of a term for sycophantic conspiracy hawk

Trump v**ers though, isn't it Seth ?

Throwing around Goebbels name brings to mind another leader

who was taken down by the weight of history, just like your boy will be relegated

to the dustbin (dung heap) of history.

Also Goebbels supported the man in power, just as you do.

Congratulations !

Look what you share !

Seth

The difference is that the Third Reich, like the CCP and the USSR, "regulate" or "regulated" the flow of information to the people to contain only that which favors or favored the party's political agendas, preferring to control public knowledge and therefore limit the people's ability to act upon any real informed opinion -- just like today's Democratic Party and their tame media here in the U.S.A. -- whereas we conservatives favor having both sides of the political argument made completely available to the people so all Americans can see the entire picture and make their own decisions.

There is no "conspiracy theory" involved, and unless you're supremely obtuse this should be as obvious to you as it is to anybody with a brain.

The media simply ignores anything of which public knowledge would be inconvenient for the Democrats and embellishes wh**ever unsubstantiated innuendo that either denigrates President Trump or provides the Democrats with what they believe would give them an e*******l edge.

You can ignore all the findings, for example, that are resulting from the various investigations into the bogus Russia Collusion accusations against Trump, the ones that prompted the $30 million plus, taxpayer funded, fruitless Mueller circus along with two years of a misled (downright lied to) American public, all the evidence emerging that Adam Schitt and others knew they were lying when they said they had definite proof of this collusion, ignore it just like the mainstream media is doing, but that won't prevent the t***h from seeing the light of day in the not too distant future when indictments come out -- and then even the MSM won't be able to conceal the t***h -- and you can look like an i***t once that happens... and believe me, it is inevitable.

Naturally, just like the rest of the TDS coffee klatch here at OPP, you'll either disappear back to wherever and crawl back under your Stalinist stone or offer up the usual bumbling, sputtering and snivelling we get from hapless lefties caught in the spotlight of the t***h.

Face it, the political party you support knows it offers nothing most Americans want any part of -- we defeated everything your ilk stands for during WWII and the Cold War -- and the only way they can make any headway at the polls is to lie to the American people about their actual intentions.

The Goebbels bit comes in where they accuse Trump and the GOP of the f*****m, r****m and other qualities of which the Democrats themselves are guilty.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

There is a huge difference between criminalizes and decriminalizes. Decriminalizing is not ex post facto. Your liberty is not being taken from you on a whim so there is no jeopardy involved.

Wolfman888

You are hilarious !

Are you telling me that the Trump White House DOESN'T

" regulate the flow of the information to the people to contain only that which favors

the Partys political agenda " ?

What rock have you been living under ?

He tried to keep information about the v***s from us, downplaying it at every turn.

He's now basically saying forget about the 100,000 dead let's move on to get

the economy rolling so we can enjoy another 4 years of his bullying, narcisstic b s !

Forget the fact that more will die with his attitude towards masking and protecting each other.

He cares nothing about the lives of regular American people.

Democrat or Republican.

Wake up !