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May 23, 2020 15:38:16   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Seems a bit hypocritical, no?


It would, the thing is take the "we refuse to serve gays" gays go in there anyway then start a court case when they aren't served.

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May 23, 2020 15:43:16   #
Seth
 
Wolfman888 wrote:
Wake up !

We have been under an authoritarian government ever since Trump

took the oath.

"Protect the Constitution and the people".

You would make me laugh if you weren't so deluded.


There you go again, obeying your idol, Josef Goebbels; in this case you are accusing President Trump of exactly what B. Hussein Obama was guilty of.

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May 23, 2020 15:45:36   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Wolfman888 wrote:
If Trump is re elected y'all will have been a fool not once, but twice.


Wow this was nowhere about Trump yet this troll with his gross hatred and ignorance made it so. No it's more about how foolish you seem right now.

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May 23, 2020 15:51:45   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Rose42 wrote:
YOU be proud. Its almost like the democrats want him to win. And after THREE YEARS all the democrats could come up with is an old white guy who shows signs of the beginning of dementia. What a joke.


Today is Biden's 67th day hiding in his basement doing a podcast, funny, I've never seen any of the podcasts.

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May 23, 2020 15:54:35   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I find in time what goes around comes around, one day it'll fall back onto Phillips. He could have baked the cake and simply told them to find their own statuette topping. Baking a cake for someone is not a moral or religious belief, and since when is a product attached to the seller in a personal belief after it's been sold, or visa versa. What happened, the baker got religious cooties from the buyers, I hope this still goes to another court, it's ridiculous and I can't believe they got away with it.
I find in time what goes around comes around, one ... (show quote)


He (Phillips) didn't have billions of dollars they did. That simple.

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May 23, 2020 15:57:24   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
Seth wrote:
The 14th Amendment guarantees all citizens equal protection under the law, but has no bearing whatsoever on the rights or lack thereof of a private businessman or a private consumer. It has no application in the Masterpiece Bakery incident.

If it did apply, it would do more to protect Phillips from being prosecuted by the state for following his religious convictions.

I understand that you folks who list to port have little or no use for religious beliefs because you don't want belief in G-d to come between a citizen and the omnipotence of the government, but I'm sorry to have to inform you that even after eight years of an Obama presidency, we are still the United States of America, not the late, unlamented Soviet Union, and the First Amendment applies more to the Masterpiece Bakery incident, meaning in Phillips' favor, than the 14th which, as I pointed out, has no relevance in that situation whatsoever.
The 14th Amendment guarantees all citizens equal p... (show quote)


Seth, you can try every argument there is. It comes down to they had billions, Phillips didn't. Case closed.

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May 23, 2020 15:58:26   #
Lt. Rob Polans ret.
 
bestpal38 wrote:
If I am made to wear a mask, I will shop elsewhere. My choice!! My face!!


That's what I do.

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May 23, 2020 16:12:18   #
WEBCO
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
He serves the general public. He was prejudice, which was against a constitutional right, the fourteenth amendment. This religious clause is BS simply put, it opens the pandora's box to allow people to defy that right any time they choose for any reason they choose. It is clearly undermining our constitution, and the only reason you're all for it is that you are just as prejudice. It makes me feel that Christians should not be served under the atheist's right against religion... that work for ya?
He serves the general public. He was prejudice, wh... (show quote)

Yes

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May 23, 2020 16:13:28   #
Seth
 
Lt. Rob Polans ret. wrote:
Seth, you can try every argument there is. It comes down to they had billions, Phillips didn't. Case closed.


Yeah, there's that, too.

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May 23, 2020 18:02:27   #
Auntie Dee
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
When did someone sue a store to force the owner to let them in without a mask?



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May 23, 2020 18:08:43   #
Auntie Dee
 
Wolfman888 wrote:
If Trump is re elected y'all will have been a fool not once, but twice.


Then just leave us to our foolishness! We're obviously enjoying it!!! Maga 2020

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May 23, 2020 18:49:42   #
WEBCO
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Seems a bit hypocritical, no?


Would you feel the same if...a skin head neo-nazi walked into a bakery and ordered a cake celebrating lynching? Would the baker still be legally responsible for provide such a cake?
I say no, how about you?

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May 23, 2020 20:43:23   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
WEBCO wrote:
Would you feel the same if...a skin head neo-nazi walked into a bakery and ordered a cake celebrating lynching? Would the baker still be legally responsible for provide such a cake?
I say no, how about you?


Lynching is illegal, regardless of the religious views of the proprietor of the bakery. In any case, if the baker made lynching cakes for white people they would be obligated to make them for everyone, people of color, Muslims, Neo-Nazis. That is what is at issue under public accommodation laws.

What Masterpiece cake could have done is hire someone else to bake and decorate the cake, thereby absolving himself of participation. He even could have donated the proceeds of that cake to a charity.

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May 23, 2020 20:59:29   #
Seth
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Lynching is illegal, regardless of the religious views of the proprietor of the bakery. In any case, if the baker made lynching cakes for white people they would be obligated to make them for everyone, people of color, Muslims, Neo-Nazis. That is what is at issue under public accommodation laws.

What Masterpiece cake could have done is hire someone else to bake and decorate the cake, thereby absolving himself of participation. He even could have donated the proceeds of that cake to a charity.
Lynching is illegal, regardless of the religious v... (show quote)


In the Two Way Street Department:

What the gay guy could have done was respect Phillips' religious beliefs and gone to one of the many other bakeries in his town instead of trying to destroy the baker's livelihood.

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May 23, 2020 23:49:58   #
Kickaha Loc: Nebraska
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I find in time what goes around comes around, one day it'll fall back onto Phillips. He could have baked the cake and simply told them to find their own statuette topping. Baking a cake for someone is not a moral or religious belief, and since when is a product attached to the seller in a personal belief after it's been sold, or visa versa. What happened, the baker got religious cooties from the buyers, I hope this still goes to another court, it's ridiculous and I can't believe they got away with it.
I find in time what goes around comes around, one ... (show quote)

Actually, the problem was he wouldn't create a custom cake for the wedding. He did offer to sell them one of the generic cakes, which they could have modified on their own. He didn't tell them he refused to sell them a cake, he just said he wouldn't do a custom cake.

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