Peewee wrote:
Then watch what he has said and you decide. Sometimes things don't come to pass as soon as it leaves a person's mouth. But I do agree with that point. Check what he has said and that should have come true already. Do some research yourself. It's what I did. He has been very accurate in my humble opinion. Especially, about Trump and years in advance. He said Trump would appoint five supreme court justices and serve two terms. That means Trump will be reelected and appoint three more justices. That one has only a few more months to confirm the reelection and five more years for the justices. RBG isn't getting any younger but I have no idea who the other two could be. Trust but verify is still good advice, from Reagan.
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It appears that Kim Clement claimed to be a prophet and made prophecies in God’s name. So, biblically speaking, how can we discern if he was a prophet? Deuteronomy gives us the answer:
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (NASB)
20 'But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.'
21 "You may say in your heart, 'How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'
22 "When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
You stated that Clement’s accuracy is off the charts and that he has been very accurate in your humble opinion, but is that 100 percent? I don’t doubt your enthusiasm but it appears that what you’re looking for are “signs and wonders” so please read on.
Being a Berean, I dug a little deeper. Clement was a part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), a movement which asserts that God is restoring the lost offices of church governance, namely the offices of Prophet and Apostle.
Leading figures in this seemingly loosely organized movement claim that these prophets and apostles alone have the power and authority to execute God’s plans and purposes on earth. They believe they are laying the foundation for a global church, governed by them.
They place a greater emphasis on dreams, visions and extra-biblical revelation than they do on the Bible, claiming that their revealed teachings and reported experiences (e.g. trips to heaven, face-to-face conversations with Jesus, visits by angels) cannot be proven by the ‘old’ Scripture.
Fast Facts• Also known as Dominionism, Third Wave, Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, Joel’s Army, Manifest Sons of God, Charismatic Renewal, Charismania.
• Its founder was C. Peter Wagner who claims that the Church of the 21st Century will be ruled by Apostles and Prophets. Wagner has anointed himself NAR’s “Presiding Apostle.”
• Linked with the Kansas City Prophets “who brought grandiose claims that a ‘new breed’ of super prophets were beginning to arrive on planet earth who would change the world forever,” likewise Word of Faith and Pentecostal movements.
• Not governed by an official denomination, it is led by alleged apostles and prophets.
• Teaches that the new apostles and prophets are to be the government for the emerging “New Order” church.
• Claims there will be a reformation greater in scale than the Protestant Reformation.
• Claim direct revelation from God and many allege that Jesus and angels visit them in person. Some of them declare that they have visited heaven many times and had conversations with Jesus as well as the Prophets and Apostles.
• NAR’s extensive mission outreach throughout the globe has caused the astonishing church growth that’s happening in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.
• Denigration of the Bible and Sola Scriptura.
• Experience-oriented theology and based in emotionalism.
• Steeped in mysticism.
Common TraitsHere are 6 traits, beliefs, and some of the common lingo used by adherents:
1. “APOSTLES”
We’re in a “Second Apostolic Age.” There are new Apostles are on the earth today, anointed by the laying of hands to represent and speak for God here on Earth. These “Super Apostles” are equal to the original Apostles – the ones who witnessed Jesus’ life, death and resurrection and were appointed by Christ Himself to the office. Since these new apostles are commissioned by God, their authority may not be questioned.
2. “KINGDOM”
Rather than preach the Gospel of the cross, Apostolic leaders are working to bring the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven to Earth. They do this by taking dominion of earthly kingdoms or “mountains” of government, media, entertainment, education, business, family, and religion. Leaders often talk of city building and organize prayer walks to pray against demonic strongholds. They often speak of being mission-focused rather than being Christ-centered.
3. “DESTINY” “PRESENCE” “GLORY”
Though members are not always charismatic, they frequently emphasize a manifestation of “Glory” and “God’s presence,” and often have a special anointing to receive direct revelation from God, perform healings and other signs and wonders. They teach that our purpose is to achieve our dream destiny so that we can change the world.
4. “REVIVAL”
Revival on a massive scale is key in this movement. There is a strong emphasis on an “end times harvest” through a great awakening that we can usher in. Often these revivals are held in stadiums and reach millions around the world via live stream technology; they are marketed and produced like rock concerts. All scripture verses about an end times falling away are ignored, and get replaced with hyped-up claims about the Next Big Thing that’s always just around the corner.
5. “UNITY”
Unity (at the expense of biblical doctrine) is almost always used as both the how and the why in this movement. Unity for the sake of bringing Heaven to Earth is leading to the blurring of doctrinal and denominational lines, often bringing together well-known leaders of charismatic, reformed, Word of Faith, seeker-emergent, progressive and Roman Catholics churches, all under one umbrella.
Finally, NAR churches almost always abandon a major tenet of Christian faith:
6. NAR DENIES THE SUFFICIENCY OF SCRIPTURE.
NAR adherents may believe in the inerrancy and authority of the Bible, but God’s breathed-out Word is just not enough for them. Jesus’ sacrificial death for our sins is not good enough; the promise of eternal life in Heaven is not good enough.
LeadersThe founder of the New Apostolic Reformation is church growth specialist C. Peter Wagner. Wagner served as Professor of Church Growth at the Fuller Theological Seminary’s School of World Missions until his retirement. Until recently he was president of Global Harvest Ministries and is currently Chancellor emeritus of the Wagner Leadership Institute. Prominent member of the International Council of Apostles Chuck Pierce was his successor.
“Apostles” and “Prophets” and others intrenched in the NAR cult:
• Peter Wagner
• Chuck Pierce
• Bob Jones
• Paul Cain
• Cindy Jacobs,
• Mike Bickle (International House of Prayer –IHOP)
• Rick Joyner
• Bill Johnson (Bethel Church, Redding CA)
• Todd Bentley
• Lou Engle
• Brian & Bobbie Houston (Hillsong Church)
• Becky Fischer
• Brian Simmons
• Steve Shultz (The Elijah List)
• Rod Parsley
• and many others.
What the Bible says:2 Peter 2:1 (NASB)
1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
Matthew 24:24 (NASB)
24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
If I were you Peewee, I would steer clear of this man’s prophecies.