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Apr 2, 2020 06:59:54   #
American Vet
 
How many would possibly die if people went back to work now?

How many would possibly die if we shelter in place, ruin the economy for a generation or more, and leave China and Russia as the world's super powers?

Your thoughts?

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Apr 2, 2020 07:01:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
American Vet wrote:
How many would possibly die if people went back to work now?

How many would possibly die if we shelter in place, ruin the economy for a generation or more, and leave China and Russia as the world's super powers?

Your thoughts?


Far fewer...

What's up with the economy that it can't take a few months?

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Apr 2, 2020 07:14:04   #
Rose42
 
American Vet wrote:
How many would possibly die if people went back to work now?

How many would possibly die if we shelter in place, ruin the economy for a generation or more, and leave China and Russia as the world's super powers?

Your thoughts?


We have no way of knowing. We can’t trust the numbers they give us because the media just isn’t trustworthy. How many misdiagnoses, bad tests, etc. These are numbers we don’t know. It was already here before the Chinese reported it.

No one is talking about those who live on the poverty line or below it. Its easy for those who live relatively comfortably to forget about them. The bills won’t stop. The need for supplies won’t stop. Stress makes one much more susceptible to getting sick.

In the long run more could end up dying than in the short term. But again, there is no way of knowing either way. Its all guesswork.

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Apr 2, 2020 09:10:33   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
American Vet wrote:
How many would possibly die if people went back to work now?

How many would possibly die if we shelter in place, ruin the economy for a generation or more, and leave China and Russia as the world's super powers?

Your thoughts?


If the economy was as booming for as long as was claimed, it should be able to whether months of reversal and pick up where it left off. Death, however, is not reversible.

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Apr 2, 2020 09:47:44   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If the economy was as booming for as long as was claimed, it should be able to whether months of reversal and pick up where it left off. Death, however, is not reversible.


Exactly

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Apr 2, 2020 10:08:04   #
Rose42
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If the economy was as booming for as long as was claimed, it should be able to whether months of reversal and pick up where it left off. Death, however, is not reversible.


The issue is nobody knows if long term there will be more deaths as a result of a prolonged lockdown.

Either way, its the poor that will suffer the most and they are usually lost in the shuffle.

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Apr 2, 2020 10:11:43   #
American Vet
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If the economy was as booming for as long as was claimed, it should be able to whether months of reversal and pick up where it left off. Death, however, is not reversible.


I think that is an assumption. I believe the recovery will occur (but it might to...) - it's more a question of when - weeks? Months? Years?

Nobody knows.

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Apr 2, 2020 11:23:56   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Rose42 wrote:
The issue is nobody knows if long term there will be more deaths as a result of a prolonged lockdown.

Either way, its the poor that will suffer the most and they are usually lost in the shuffle.


Yes, the end of every calculus has the poor bearing the brunt of wh**ever is going down. The poor usually get blamed for wh**ever malady is inconveniencing the rest of us. In this case, the poor hardly had the means to travel abroad, contract a disease and bring it back.

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Apr 2, 2020 11:27:29   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
American Vet wrote:
I think that is an assumption. I believe the recovery will occur (but it might to...) - it's more a question of when - weeks? Months? Years?

Nobody knows.


Not an assumption. How many years have we been hearing about how great the economy was doing? Years, mind you, not months, which means a hell of a lot of cash was generated. Now, a few months of dismal numbers, and folks are going ape s**t.

Those who socked away all that cash somewhere, might just have to repatriate some of it. The simple fact is, one does NOT take money from the wealthy.............................ever......................so it's the most vulnerable among us who must bear the burden.

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Apr 2, 2020 11:30:13   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If the economy was as booming for as long as was claimed, it should be able to whether months of reversal and pick up where it left off. Death, however, is not reversible.


The prolonged "lockdown, does not decrease deaths in the long run, it only defers them to later dates, but deaths are going to be the deaths, period. Destroying the economy, how ever strong you might claim it to be or have been, is not going to help in the end. We know who this v***s prefers, albeit there are exceptions but very, very few. It prefers the elderly who have pre-existing conditions, pure and simple. We can, if they wish, protect them but shutting down the economy of the USA and thus most of the world, is not helping and we don't have to do it. Low risk individuals are running scared because of the media hype and misinformation campaign to hurt and continue to hurt Trump. It's really beyond imagination how far this has gone.

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Apr 2, 2020 13:46:58   #
American Vet
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yes, the end of every calculus has the poor bearing the brunt of wh**ever is going down. The poor usually get blamed for wh**ever malady is inconveniencing the rest of us. .


Interesting - I have never heard anyone say the poor get blamed for 'wh**ever malady'. I think it is BS, but still interesting....

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Apr 2, 2020 13:49:13   #
American Vet
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
The prolonged "lockdown, does not decrease deaths in the long run, it only defers them to later dates, but deaths are going to be the deaths, period. Destroying the economy, how ever strong you might claim it to be or have been, is not going to help in the end. We know who this v***s prefers, albeit there are exceptions but very, very few. It prefers the elderly who have pre-existing conditions, pure and simple. We can, if they wish, protect them but shutting down the economy of the USA and thus most of the world, is not helping and we don't have to do it. Low risk individuals are running scared because of the media hype and misinformation campaign to hurt and continue to hurt Trump. It's really beyond imagination how far this has gone.
The prolonged "lockdown, does not decrease de... (show quote)


Shutting down the economy will result in more harm and deaths by an unbelievable magnitude.

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Apr 2, 2020 14:20:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
American Vet wrote:
Shutting down the economy will result in more harm and deaths by an unbelievable magnitude.


Which is what the l*****t, grossly stupid Trump h**ers want. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to get rid of Trump.

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Apr 2, 2020 14:30:03   #
woodguru
 
American Vet wrote:
How many would possibly die if people went back to work now?

How many would possibly die if we shelter in place, ruin the economy for a generation or more, and leave China and Russia as the world's super powers?

Your thoughts?


A couple hundred thousand could easily top a million if we did that. Social distancing is not likely to keep us at the optimistic numbers being used.

Our curve is on a rise that will go to 2000 deaths a day in a few days, 4000 a day a few days later, 8000 a day a short time after that. We have a mix of some states that may be slowing that with states that are acting this week quite a bit late, and others who are still not. This is what the president should have done quite a ways back. This every day increase will continue to rise through April. Take a pad of paper, increase the new deaths every day at a rate that is double in five days and see where you are at in 15 days, then take that to 30 days. If you don't get it and you aren't scared I don't know what to say.

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Apr 2, 2020 14:43:19   #
woodguru
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Which is what the l*****t, grossly stupid Trump h**ers want. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to get rid of Trump.


We will be having a different conversation in three or four weeks, when numbers have gone stupid, and it becomes apparent that Trump has displayed a degree of incompetence and negligence that is the direct cause.

Pence said it yesterday Wednesday, we are following the Italian model closest, that started with weeks of downplaying and refusing to do anything, followed in about four weeks by their total dismay that they should have taken it seriously and done something.

Yes Pence said it, we are on track along with the countries that handled this the worst.

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