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Jun 30, 2014 14:32:51   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Another video asking college kids questions mostly about history . Way to go colleges!

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/05/29/watch-this-video-proves-just-how-broken-our-education-system-is/

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Jun 30, 2014 14:47:22   #
bahmer
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Another video asking college kids questions mostly about history . Way to go colleges!

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/05/29/watch-this-video-proves-just-how-broken-our-education-system-is/


Truly sad. The liberals should all be elated right.

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Jun 30, 2014 15:00:21   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
bahmer wrote:
Truly sad. The liberals should all be elated right.


But they know how to open a can of beer!

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Jun 30, 2014 15:07:46   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Another video asking college kids questions mostly about history . Way to go colleges!

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/05/29/watch-this-video-proves-just-how-broken-our-education-system-is/


It is pathetic beyond compare, my son will be starting his new job at Turning Point USA after the 4th. Go check out their website, they are all about trying to save our nation from stupid.

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Jun 30, 2014 17:16:17   #
Glaucon
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
It is pathetic beyond compare, my son will be starting his new job at Turning Point USA after the 4th. Go check out their website, they are all about trying to save our nation from stupid.


I would think that many of the comments on this site would suggest that it is too late to save our nation from stupid.
What do you think we would find if we gave the same test to all school board members, politicians, those who comment on this site, military officers, CEO's of corporations, NRA, members, and parents?

Do you think students at one college are representative at one time who are interviewed as a random sample is a fair measure of knowledge? What about those students who know more about history, politics, economics and human behavior that our representatives in Congress? How much have you learned since you left formal education? They were probably in class, the lab, or the library.

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Jun 30, 2014 17:40:28   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Glaucon wrote:
I would think that many of the comments on this site would suggest that it is too late to save our nation from stupid.
What do you think we would find if we gave the same test to all school board members, politicians, those who comment on this site, military officers, CEO's of corporations, NRA, members, and parents?

Do you think students at one college are representative at one time who are interviewed as a random sample is a fair measure of knowledge? What about those students who know more about history, politics, economics and human behavior that our representatives in Congress? How much have you learned since you left formal education? They were probably in class, the lab, or the library.
I would think that many of the comments on this si... (show quote)


I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting. That it is too late and were already doomed or that perhaps sampling bikini clad co-eds on the beach may not be a true sampling?

I don't see common core going away anytime soon so why don't we insist on certain number of credits be in American history. Some of the facts may get twisted but we still fought the British in the revolutionary war, the civil war was over states rights & s***ery and the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

My ex is an inner city elementary school principle and I'm sure she still doesn't know that France is in Europe.

We cannot have a democratic republic when all people know about freedom and rights is what they hear in media sound bites.

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Jun 30, 2014 18:13:24   #
Glaucon
 
[quote=Constitutional libertarian]I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting. That it is too late and were already doomed or that perhaps sampling bikini clad co-eds on the beach may not be a true sampling?

I don't see common core going away anytime soon so why don't we insist on certain number of credits be in American history. Some of the facts may get twisted but we still fought the British in the revolutionary war, the civil war was over states rights & s***ery and the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Some students are doing very well, some in the middle and some not so much and often made examples of by various special interests. I am becoming convinced that the primary thing one must exhibit in order to graduate college—any college—is persistence. Some of the dumbest people I know are college grads and some college grads I know are some of the smartest people I know.

In my opinion, to pass any history course doesn’t require much knowledge or understanding only a reasonably good short-term memory and some persistence.

I am in total agreement with your statement, “We cannot have a democratic republic when all people know about freedom and rights is what they hear in media sound bites.” However I don’t know how to fix it.

Are you a teacher?

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Jun 30, 2014 18:27:43   #
Ve'hoe
 
I learned a lot,,,, as a Military Officer, I learned that liberals are cowards, start wars, and then run off,,,, I learned that the real "ugly Americans" that everyone everywhere h**e, and blame ALL of America for are our liberals....
Yes, I believe this is representative of "Liberal College Students" not conservative college students,,, because I went to a liberal college and wished I had my money back...

Fortunately I met other military officers and enlisted men who were much smarter, as well as had experience that matured them and refined their education from mere empirical knowledge to a functionality that infuriates the average scum-sucking liberal loser, that I experienced in our colleges, government, IRS, Senate and Congress, and especially the State Department... yes, I learned that those stale minds that sat in college actually became diseased, (case in point: you) they talk a lot, have ZERO depth, and preface most everything by feeling like they have to tell you how smart they are... After a while I began to understand that they (and you) had been educated beyond your ability to reason and function, therefore you had to try to reinforce your "intellectual superiority" to feel better about yourself,,,, because what makes you fearful, is not what you know about others, it is what you know about yourself.... you are weak, unintelligent, and scared,,, and you are right to be.

Glaucon wrote:
I would think that many of the comments on this site would suggest that it is too late to save our nation from stupid.
What do you think we would find if we gave the same test to all school board members, politicians, those who comment on this site, military officers, CEO's of corporations, NRA, members, and parents?

Do you think students at one college are representative at one time who are interviewed as a random sample is a fair measure of knowledge? What about those students who know more about history, politics, economics and human behavior that our representatives in Congress? How much have you learned since you left formal education? They were probably in class, the lab, or the library.
I would think that many of the comments on this si... (show quote)

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Jun 30, 2014 18:31:00   #
bahmer
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting. That it is too late and were already doomed or that perhaps sampling bikini clad co-eds on the beach may not be a true sampling?

I don't see common core going away anytime soon so why don't we insist on certain number of credits be in American history. Some of the facts may get twisted but we still fought the British in the revolutionary war, the civil war was over states rights & s***ery and the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

My ex is an inner city elementary school principle and I'm sure she still doesn't know that France is in Europe.

We cannot have a democratic republic when all people know about freedom and rights is what they hear in media sound bites.
I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting.... (show quote)


Along with American History, they also need a world history class, showing the various political systems in the world and what there ups and downs are, and how they affect the governed, and what started the various wars, and what political ideologies were at play then.

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Jun 30, 2014 18:32:17   #
Ve'hoe
 
More likely those were the smart students,,, and the others were doped up, hooking up, or f-ng up, which is what a liberal education actually accomplishes... fortunately for some, the real world straightens some people out, unless they become a professor, a politician, or a lawyer..

Amazing that oduma is all Three!?!


Glaucon wrote:
I would think that many of the comments on this site would suggest that it is too late to save our nation from stupid.
What do you think we would find if we gave the same test to all school board members, politicians, those who comment on this site, military officers, CEO's of corporations, NRA, members, and parents?

Do you think students at one college are representative at one time who are interviewed as a random sample is a fair measure of knowledge? What about those students who know more about history, politics, economics and human behavior that our representatives in Congress? How much have you learned since you left formal education? They were probably in class, the lab, or the library.
I would think that many of the comments on this si... (show quote)

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Jun 30, 2014 18:57:58   #
bahmer
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
More likely those were the smart students,,, and the others were doped up, hooking up, or f-ng up, which is what a liberal education actually accomplishes... fortunately for some, the real world straightens some people out, unless they become a professor, a politician, or a lawyer..

Amazing that oduma is all Three!?!


Which would what, make him three times more screwed up than Glaucon?

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Jun 30, 2014 20:14:27   #
Glaucon
 
Ve’hoe,

I was not aware nor do I believe there are liberal and conservative colleges. Real learning requires more open mindedness, so I would suppose there would be more who are leaning liberal than leaning conservative. In my opinion, only the stupid would be considered or consider themselves purely one or the other. However, from you beginning paragraph, I tend to believe you may in fact consider yourself purely conservative.

I attended four colleges and at all of them, I found some students and some professors leaning liberal and some leaning conservative. I tried not to lean. It seems easy, but terribly oversimplified to label anyone as liberal or or conservative. I would guess that you are sufficiently liberal to be open minded in some areas and I am more conservative than you apparently are aware or want to be aware.

I also served in the military as an NCO. I was in combat for longer than I wanted to be and was discharged as soon as I could be. I don’t think the military had much impact on me, but I don’t think I needed much impact.

I would support your view that you should get your money back from the college you attened. From your level of accurate information, your openness to new experience, and your tolerance of people who disagree with you, I am convinced that either you failed college or college failed you.

Your statement that I am, “ weak, unintelligent, and scared” is quite a diagnose and very insulting for someone who knows so little about me. Most college people I know have more facility with words to say something like,” average scum-sucking liberal loser. It makes you sound like a raving bigot and decreasing that kind of student’s bigotry is one of the objectives of a college education.

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Jun 30, 2014 20:43:56   #
Glaucon
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
Another video asking college kids questions mostly about history . Way to go colleges!

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/05/29/watch-this-video-proves-just-how-broken-our-education-system-is/


This "interview" technique to attempt to prove our kids are ignorant and make fun of them and to "prove" our schools are failing has been done by TV talk show hosts who carefully select people to interview and trash the interviews of those who are informed and intelligent has been done repeatedly and will prove nothing about our kids or our schools. If it proves it to you and Glenn Beck, you both need some education.

This is a trick we all do on ourselves, hear what you want to hear and disregard the rest.

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Jun 30, 2014 20:48:40   #
Glaucon
 
bahmer wrote:
Truly sad. The liberals should all be elated right.
Why would you say, "The liberals should be elated, right?" Why would liberals want our children to seem to be ignorant? I know a lot of people who claim to be liberals, but I don't know any one of them who would "be elated" to have or kids fail. It is truly sad that anyone would believe this nonsense proves our kids are ignorant. I Think that is more than ignorant, it is stupid.

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Jul 1, 2014 07:04:10   #
Ve'hoe
 
And that is why you are surprised as well as mistaken, or at least weakend in drwing "correct" conclusions from the evidence around you,,,, I consider myself, educated, but also tempered with real world experience,, I consider you,,, and most liberals, not...


It is not the mark of education, nor experience, that you observe things around you, and cannot truly judge their meaning,,, it is discernment that you l*****ts lack,,, and you demonstrate continually,,

For instance v****g in obama with no resume, giving him a peace prize, as well as a fairly subdued middle east, and then he starts 6 wars, and the world erupts in violence, the terrorist organization he had on the floor, gets back up, he rearms them, costing him one ambassador. He wrecks the medical system, the VA system, the economy, the energy sector, and you think he is doing a great job...based on his experience...


Glaucon wrote:
Ve’hoe,

I was not aware nor do I believe there are liberal and conservative colleges. Real learning requires more open mindedness, so I would suppose there would be more who are leaning liberal than leaning conservative. In my opinion, only the stupid would be considered or consider themselves purely one or the other. However, from you beginning paragraph, I tend to believe you may in fact consider yourself purely conservative.

I attended four colleges and at all of them, I found some students and some professors leaning liberal and some leaning conservative. I tried not to lean. It seems easy, but terribly oversimplified to label anyone as liberal or or conservative. I would guess that you are sufficiently liberal to be open minded in some areas and I am more conservative than you apparently are aware or want to be aware.

I also served in the military as an NCO. I was in combat for longer than I wanted to be and was discharged as soon as I could be. I don’t think the military had much impact on me, but I don’t think I needed much impact.

I would support your view that you should get your money back from the college you attened. From your level of accurate information, your openness to new experience, and your tolerance of people who disagree with you, I am convinced that either you failed college or college failed you.

Your statement that I am, “ weak, unintelligent, and scared” is quite a diagnose and very insulting for someone who knows so little about me. Most college people I know have more facility with words to say something like,” average scum-sucking liberal loser. It makes you sound like a raving bigot and decreasing that kind of student’s bigotry is one of the objectives of a college education.
Ve’hoe, br br I was not aware nor do I believe th... (show quote)

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