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Mar 26, 2020 07:12:54   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being done here in the US, and rational and informed perspectives are beginning to entering the main stream media, which until now, has been driven by hype and fear.

Consider the comments of the following 12 medical professionals in the article below. I find the comment by Dr Peter Goetzsche, Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration particularly insightful:

"Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.

No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.

Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”

– “Corona: an epidemic of mass panic”, blog post on Deadly Medicines 21st March 2020"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic

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Mar 26, 2020 09:09:48   #
peg w
 
Corona virus is not the flu. 20 per cent of Corona virus victims need medical intervention. No one has any immunity to it. Our hospitals are about to be overwhelmed. We will lose between 1 and ten percent of our population.
That's the panic.

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Mar 26, 2020 09:46:47   #
Divine truth
 
ACP45 wrote:
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being done here in the US, and rational and informed perspectives are beginning to entering the main stream media, which until now, has been driven by hype and fear.

Consider the comments of the following 12 medical professionals in the article below. I find the comment by Dr Peter Goetzsche, Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration particularly insightful:

"Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.

No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.

Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”

– “Corona: an epidemic of mass panic”, blog post on Deadly Medicines 21st March 2020"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being ... (show quote)


Mass Fear, panicking, ignorance, media hype, propaganda, and indoctrination.

Experts, according to Merrian-Webster dictionary, is "a person with a high level of knowledge or skills in a field".

The current leadership and politicians, aren't no where near being a Expert.

Maybe Experts in the art of deception, propaganda, as FEAR advocates, but, far from being experts.

My wife wrote me yesterday, from Russia, and expressed her concerns, about what she is viewing, and hearing coming from the USA.

Coronavirus pandemic hype, and terrorism tactics of deaths, occurring, the lockdowns, and destruction of the economic.

After work yesterday, I stopped in Harlem to buy something from a local store.

The African American male, store clerk, said to another customer, "he looks sick", referring to me.

The Hispanic couple he directed his dysfunctional, ignorance statement to, was on the train with me, and got off at the same stop.

The female moved aside as I exist the store, and gave me the evil eye, so I said don't believe that.

African American male, when from being a store clerk, to a medical Coronavirus diagnoses doctor, at night.

Experts vs. ignorance, incompetent, and acquired Intelligence deficiency syndrome ("AIDS").

At the onset of the Coronavirus COVID-19 pandemic, I made this public statement, and challenged many in the public, and community.

Ignorance will kill thousands, and asked this question... what is more dangerous then Coronavirus. I gave individuals three chances, to come up with the answer.

No one could tell me 🤣, and when I revealed the answer, they agreeded, not, with me, but with the TRUTH.

Ignorance is more dangerous then Coronavirus, and John Doe, the store clerk, confirmed it.

How did John Doe get his medical license, on his back, or knees... Intelligence inquiring minds want to know.

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Mar 26, 2020 09:53:56   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
ACP45 wrote:
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being done here in the US, and rational and informed perspectives are beginning to entering the main stream media, which until now, has been driven by hype and fear.

Consider the comments of the following 12 medical professionals in the article below. I find the comment by Dr Peter Goetzsche, Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration particularly insightful:

"Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.

No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.

Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”

– “Corona: an epidemic of mass panic”, blog post on Deadly Medicines 21st March 2020"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being ... (show quote)


In case many of you have never read the story here is how I found it. Sorry if it is hard to make work but I do have trouble making the computer do what I want it to do. I typed, PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK THE LITTLE RED HEN and it worked. Probably most of us in the Silent Generation already know the story.

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Mar 26, 2020 10:07:58   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
peg w wrote:
Corona virus is not the flu. 20 per cent of Corona virus victims need medical intervention. No one has any immunity to it. Our hospitals are about to be overwhelmed. We will lose between 1 and ten percent of our population.
That's the panic.

Have faith, God is bigger than the flu!

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Mar 26, 2020 10:16:07   #
Pariahjf
 
ACP45 wrote:
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being done here in the US, and rational and informed perspectives are beginning to entering the main stream media, which until now, has been driven by hype and fear.

Consider the comments of the following 12 medical professionals in the article below. I find the comment by Dr Peter Goetzsche, Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration particularly insightful:

"Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.

No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.

Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”

– “Corona: an epidemic of mass panic”, blog post on Deadly Medicines 21st March 2020"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being ... (show quote)


Well, right now, we are ahead of China's infection rate at the same number of days in the timeline. This is not going to be pretty when it's over. You may want to save your thoughts on all of this until AFTER this is over.

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Mar 26, 2020 11:06:32   #
nwtk2007
 
ACP45 wrote:
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being done here in the US, and rational and informed perspectives are beginning to entering the main stream media, which until now, has been driven by hype and fear.

Consider the comments of the following 12 medical professionals in the article below. I find the comment by Dr Peter Goetzsche, Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration particularly insightful:

"Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.

No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.

Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”

– “Corona: an epidemic of mass panic”, blog post on Deadly Medicines 21st March 2020"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/12-experts-question-covid-19-panic
The dust is settling a bit, more testing is being ... (show quote)


I have been saying this from the beginning.

I asked a friend of mine who he thought was more afraid of this bug; guys like us who fought and many of whom died for our freedom or the ones who have never fought for the country. I explained to my wife this very morning that Americans have in it their blood, most of us that is, that we fought and died for this freedom we have. WE will take precautions but we will not just sit back and watch our freedoms be taken away.

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Mar 26, 2020 11:23:04   #
F.D.R.
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Well, right now, we are ahead of China's infection rate at the same number of days in the timeline. This is not going to be pretty when it's over. You may want to save your thoughts on all of this until AFTER this is over.


China has the distinct advantage of not having to work with Congress to get things done.

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Mar 26, 2020 11:25:57   #
nwtk2007
 
From the article and very true:

Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.

What he says:

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.

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Mar 26, 2020 11:35:12   #
nwtk2007
 
I wonder if Gates and his Gate's Foundation have taken these experts opinions into consideration. One bit of truth in this article is that when it is finally past us, still getting people sick and killing people but past us, like swine flu is now, the crazies who incited this panic will try to take credit for it being not as bad "as it could have been."

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Mar 26, 2020 11:53:00   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
peg w wrote:
Corona virus is not the flu. 20 per cent of Corona virus victims need medical intervention. No one has any immunity to it. Our hospitals are about to be overwhelmed. We will lose between 1 and ten percent of our population.
That's the panic.


Where did you get your medical degree from Peg? Did you even read the article and consider what the 12 doctors/researchers/virologists wrote? How can you even make a statement that we could loose up to 10 per cent of our population to COVID-19? Is that statement based upon anything other than the high fatality rate experienced by Italy?

Are you aware of the "study finds that more than 99 percent of Italians who died as a result of the illness had some type of pre-existing medical condition."? https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/35187-study-99-of-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-had-a-pre-existing-condition

Are you also aware that Italy has the largest percentage of elderly population of all of Europe?

Have you considered the large number of Chinese citizens that live in Italy, and that many of them traveled back and forth between Italy and China for the celebration of their New Year, and then flew back to Italy after the outbreak of the disease in China?

"The community of Chinese people in Italy has grown rapidly in the past ten years. Official statistics indicate there are at least 320,794 Chinese citizens in Italy, although these figures do not account for former Chinese citizens who have acquired Italian nationality or Italian-born people of Chinese descent.[1]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Italy

Take a look at the following charts Peg, and tell me what you see? https://mises.org/wire/uss-covid-19-death-rate-far-below-rates-italy-and-spain



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Mar 26, 2020 12:11:16   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Pariahjf wrote:
Well, right now, we are ahead of China's infection rate at the same number of days in the timeline. This is not going to be pretty when it's over. You may want to save your thoughts on all of this until AFTER this is over.


So you believe the official numbers of the CCP? There is an infection rate, and a current fatality rate (CFR). You can be infected and be asymptomatic in the first case, but you don't want to find yourself in the second case. So how do we fare so far - check the chart.



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Mar 26, 2020 12:39:33   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Redding, CA
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I have been saying this from the beginning.

I asked a friend of mine who he thought was more afraid of this bug; guys like us who fought and many of whom died for our freedom or the ones who have never fought for the country. I explained to my wife this very morning that Americans have in it their blood, most of us that is, that we fought and died for this freedom we have. WE will take precautions but we will not just sit back and watch our freedoms be taken away.


Question that I'm not hearing anyone ask.
Let me first preface....
When news came into the States informing how communist China was putting 500 million on lockdown, then 600, then 700, using military to enforce "stay in place" in the hardest hit areas, I was appalled and disgusted...but that's communism for ya.
Then the whistle blowers began releasing videos of thousands upon thousands trying to get into hospitals, the body bags and then came the videos of incinerators , over a hundred burning the dead 24/7 .
It occurred to me that so many were not asking one question when lockdowns came to America.....
How many in China would have perished had there not been a lockdown?
We know this is bio engineered and not the flu.
We know China lied to us.
We know our government is lying to us.

If this isn't engineered to cause a global economic reset then we must consider every nation on earth locking it's citizens down (with exceptions) is telling of the pathogen itself.

It has a ten times higher contagion rate than the flu, some experts are quoted saying even much higher.

It is designed to mutate and with each mutation becomes more lethal.

In 2014-15 it is estimated 51,000 people died, 65 million infected.
This has nearly a ten time higher kill rate, ten time higher contagion rate.
Get it?

Without a stay in place order liken to communist China, we could in reality see 80% of our population infected or about 280 million and at its kill rate, isn't that around 28 million but now add a few million more because hospitals would be overrun and diseases from millions of rotten bodies.

This is unprecedented, a bio engineered pathogen.

Is there a reason we are being lied too? We saw a run on toilet paper and still the shelves are empty. Imagine if they told the truth?

What would happen if we didn't have stay in place? How many infected, how many dead.

What would our founders have done?
I think they would have amended our constitution that any government powers gained during this crisis would be removed at end. I believe they would not want to see businesses permanently shut down because 28-35 million Americans died and fear, panic perhaps many, many more times.

We can not compare this with flu's in America's history because it is not the flu.

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Mar 26, 2020 13:34:16   #
nwtk2007
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Question that I'm not hearing anyone ask.
Let me first preface....
When news came into the States informing how communist China was putting 500 million on lockdown, then 600, then 700, using military to enforce "stay in place" in the hardest hit areas, I was appalled and disgusted...but that's communism for ya.
Then the whistle blowers began releasing videos of thousands upon thousands trying to get into hospitals, the body bags and then came the videos of incinerators , over a hundred burning the dead 24/7 .
It occurred to me that so many were not asking one question when lockdowns came to America.....
How many in China would have perished had there not been a lockdown?
We know this is bio engineered and not the flu.
We know China lied to us.
We know our government is lying to us.

If this isn't engineered to cause a global economic reset then we must consider every nation on earth locking it's citizens down (with exceptions) is telling of the pathogen itself.

It has a ten times higher contagion rate than the flu, some experts are quoted saying even much higher.

It is designed to mutate and with each mutation becomes more lethal.

In 2014-15 it is estimated 51,000 people died, 65 million infected.
This has nearly a ten time higher kill rate, ten time higher contagion rate.
Get it?

Without a stay in place order liken to communist China, we could in reality see 80% of our population infected or about 280 million and at its kill rate, isn't that around 28 million but now add a few million more because hospitals would be overrun and diseases from millions of rotten bodies.

This is unprecedented, a bio engineered pathogen.

Is there a reason we are being lied too? We saw a run on toilet paper and still the shelves are empty. Imagine if they told the truth?

What would happen if we didn't have stay in place? How many infected, how many dead.

What would our founders have done?
I think they would have amended our constitution that any government powers gained during this crisis would be removed at end. I believe they would not want to see businesses permanently shut down because 28-35 million Americans died and fear, panic perhaps many, many more times.

We can not compare this with flu's in America's history because it is not the flu.
Question that I'm not hearing anyone ask. br Let ... (show quote)


We may never know the answer to many of your questions.

But we certainly CAN compare the two:flu and coronavirus.

http://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

Note the very first paragraph. Something also to take into consideration is that we have a vaccine for most flu's and still have huge numbers of deaths in the USA alone.

Fact is, if your not old with pre-existing conditions your chances of dying of the flu are greater than dying of Covid19 simply because we have no reliable numbers on Covid19. There are a lot of anecdotal stories and information on Covid19 thus far but we can't base our decisions on that/the rare cases.

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Mar 26, 2020 14:34:28   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Question that I'm not hearing anyone ask.
Let me first preface....
When news came into the States informing how communist China was putting 500 million on lockdown, then 600, then 700, using military to enforce "stay in place" in the hardest hit areas, I was appalled and disgusted...but that's communism for ya.
Then the whistle blowers began releasing videos of thousands upon thousands trying to get into hospitals, the body bags and then came the videos of incinerators , over a hundred burning the dead 24/7 .
It occurred to me that so many were not asking one question when lockdowns came to America.....
How many in China would have perished had there not been a lockdown?
We know this is bio engineered and not the flu.
We know China lied to us.
We know our government is lying to us.

If this isn't engineered to cause a global economic reset then we must consider every nation on earth locking it's citizens down (with exceptions) is telling of the pathogen itself.

It has a ten times higher contagion rate than the flu, some experts are quoted saying even much higher.

It is designed to mutate and with each mutation becomes more lethal.

In 2014-15 it is estimated 51,000 people died, 65 million infected.
This has nearly a ten time higher kill rate, ten time higher contagion rate.
Get it?

Without a stay in place order liken to communist China, we could in reality see 80% of our population infected or about 280 million and at its kill rate, isn't that around 28 million but now add a few million more because hospitals would be overrun and diseases from millions of rotten bodies.

This is unprecedented, a bio engineered pathogen.

Is there a reason we are being lied too? We saw a run on toilet paper and still the shelves are empty. Imagine if they told the truth?

What would happen if we didn't have stay in place? How many infected, how many dead.

What would our founders have done?
I think they would have amended our constitution that any government powers gained during this crisis would be removed at end. I believe they would not want to see businesses permanently shut down because 28-35 million Americans died and fear, panic perhaps many, many more times.

We can not compare this with flu's in America's history because it is not the flu.
Question that I'm not hearing anyone ask. br Let ... (show quote)


You're buying the Cool-Aid Jack. Read the chart!

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