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Mar 28, 2020 12:19:05   #
tbutkovich
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I am pointing out the fact that we're doing this as a society. As an individual, I'm sure that you don't consider that you would do any of these things, but as a country we are (and have always) had a problem with race and we discriminate based on it. The Civil War was fought because of it, and Reconstruction amplified it to the extent that we have the problem today. Only now, it's coupled with ageism and sexism. Am I a r****t? I would tell you that I'm not such, as I'm sure you would also state. The example you quote probably occurs multiple times a day in our hospitals. How about the situation where one of the patients was obviously homosexual? Would you discriminate? Would you choose one over the other? And if so, for what reason?
By your standards, you choose to call me a r****t (or an 'ist' or 'phobe' of any type), but in fact, we as a country are (and always have been) such, and it's getting worse. If you're choosing to judge me based on what I perceive to be factual evidence, we agree to disagree. I look forward to your answer.
I am pointing out the fact that we're doing this a... (show quote)


“Perceive to be factual evidence” is the definition of “assumption!”

You assume this would happen in hospitals means your charging health care workers are r****ts, xenophobic, h********cs. WOW!

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Mar 28, 2020 12:26:20   #
tbutkovich
 
From the TV series D**gnet and Joe Friday: “All we want is the facts, just the facts!” Allegations don’t pass the smell test!

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Mar 28, 2020 15:25:39   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Surely you jest! Where in anything that I have written does it suggest that I am a "r****t bigot"? Au contraire, mon cher, nothing could be further from the t***h. You must have grossly misread my posts. But if you interpreted them that way, you were not taking anything close to the correct meaning from them.


What's funny is I believe you, you actually believe you're not a r****t. Your r****m and bigotry are so ingrained and natural you can't even detect them.

I'm sure I'm wasting my time here, but hope springs eternal. This is a copy and paste of part of what you wrote:

"If you say that you agree with elevating that white life over the brown one, and that the brown one doesn't deserve the care ... I truly feel sorry for you."

And you say you don't see any bigotry or r****m in that. So, how about if someone wrote:

"If you say that you agree with elevating that brown life over the white one, and that the white one doesn't deserve the care ... I truly feel sorry for you."

I expect you'd be screaming about their r****t bigotry, and rightly so.

Further, just as an aside, NOBODY is balking at the cost of respirators. Just the opposite, they're being built by the boatload at what is no doubt a highly inflated cost. I thoroughly expect the vast majority of those being built now and over the next few months will eventually rust away without ever having been used.

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Mar 28, 2020 16:02:45   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
What's funny is I believe you, you actually believe you're not a r****t. Your r****m and bigotry are so ingrained and natural you can't even detect them.

I'm sure I'm wasting my time here, but hope springs eternal. This is a copy and paste of part of what you wrote:

"If you say that you agree with elevating that white life over the brown one, and that the brown one doesn't deserve the care ... I truly feel sorry for you."

And you say you don't see any bigotry or r****m in that. So, how about if someone wrote:

"If you say that you agree with elevating that brown life over the white one, and that the white one doesn't deserve the care ... I truly feel sorry for you."

I expect you'd be screaming about their r****t bigotry, and rightly so.

Further, just as an aside, NOBODY is balking at the cost of respirators. Just the opposite, they're being built by the boatload at what is no doubt a highly inflated cost. I thoroughly expect the vast majority of those being built now and over the next few months will eventually rust away without ever having been used.
What's funny is I believe you, you actually believ... (show quote)


You're missing the fact that I asked the questions to you all personally, not in rhetorical terms. You can blame me for asking the questions, and call me any name you want, but you haven't answered the questions that I posed. I'm still waiting.

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Mar 28, 2020 16:05:59   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
whitnebrat wrote:
You're missing the fact that I asked the questions to you all personally, not in rhetorical terms. You can blame me for asking the questions, and call me any name you want, but you haven't answered the questions that I posed. I'm still waiting.


I can't speak for anybody but myself. For me, the color of a person's skin is irrelevant. Their character is what matters. Your obsession with skin color is part of what makes you a r****t.

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Mar 28, 2020 21:13:30   #
Navigator
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Since some of you have taken my criticism personally, let me say this:
I have no doubt that individual acts of charity are the norm for all of you. And yes, they do make a difference ... but not enough of a difference to alter the trajectory of our anti-immigrant tendencies, and the intolerance for minorities. It looks like we'll have to start rationing life-saving care in many large cities, which means that us older folks are the first to go. That was what I meant about the money vs. lives. We keep saying that you can't put a price on a human life ... we're doing just that when we balk at the cost of more ventilators for these hospitals. We're doing that when we elevate a white Christian life over that of a Guatemalan woman ... both of which are equally in need of life-saving care.
If you say that you agree with elevating that white life over the brown one, and that the brown one doesn't deserve the care ... I truly feel sorry for you.
That is what I meant ... I do hope that you really and truly think about this and choose tolerance and e******y.
If not, there's nothing more for me to say.
Since some of you have taken my criticism personal... (show quote)


What a bunch of total nonsense. "...alter the trajectory of our anti-immigrant tendencies, and the intolerance for minorities." Just exactly where the devil do you live? In my neck of the woods there is no intolerance for minorities, hell, half the people around here ARE minorities! And "...anti-immigrant tendencies..." is the biggest lie of the last two centuries. Virtually no Americans are anti-immigrant but many are anti-i*****l i*******t. Do you actually know any Hispanic citizens or permanent residents? Go talk to A FEW of them and find out what they think about I*****L i*******ts. I am sure it will shock your sheltered MSM brainwashed mind.

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Mar 29, 2020 06:32:52   #
American Vet
 
whitnebrat wrote:
You're missing the fact that I asked the questions to you all personally, not in rhetorical terms. You can blame me for asking the questions, and call me any name you want, but you haven't answered the questions that I posed. I'm still waiting.


Here is the only questions I could find that you asked:

"Am I a r****t?"
Based on your comments, I would say yes - you are.

As a side note, this comment is completely off the mark and basically an very serious insult to everyone in the health care community.
"The example you quote probably occurs multiple times a day in our hospitals.

"How about the situation where one of the patients was obviously homosexual? Would you discriminate? Would you choose one over the other? And if so, for what reason?"
Answer: No.
And exactly how does one tell a critically ill patient is "obviously homosexual"?

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Mar 29, 2020 11:46:42   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
American Vet wrote:

And exactly how does one tell a critically ill patient is "obviously homosexual"?


Good question. Hemorrhoids down to the knees maybe?

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Mar 29, 2020 14:54:41   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
I object to your taking the intent of my posts and parsing them to your own concepts. I shouldn't be surprised, however, that you ignore the point that I was trying to make, and attack the messenger.
My only hope is that at some point you all take your heads out of the sand, stop drinking the koolade and get a life that doesn't involve tribal ideas that don't benefit all of us. Good luck. I'm through.

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Mar 29, 2020 15:27:34   #
tbutkovich
 
Wh**ever point she was trying to make, it missed the target.

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Mar 29, 2020 16:30:23   #
American Vet
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I object to your taking the intent of my posts and parsing them to your own concepts.


Then what was the intent of your posts?

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Mar 29, 2020 22:07:11   #
tbutkovich
 
American Vet wrote:
Then what was the intent of your posts?


Silence implies defeat!

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Mar 31, 2020 14:14:20   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
tbutkovich wrote:
Silence implies defeat!


Trying to get a point across with you all is equivalent to trying to demolish a brick wall with a BB gun. It's totally counterproductive and only leads to frustration and anger. If you want to call it a defeat, so be it, but it's just my giving up on any productive discussion here. Silence reigns.

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Mar 31, 2020 14:31:57   #
American Vet
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Trying to get a point across with you all is equivalent to trying to demolish a brick wall with a BB gun. It's totally counterproductive and only leads to frustration and anger. If you want to call it a defeat, so be it, but it's just my giving up on any productive discussion here. Silence reigns.


The issue is that you haven't produced a 'productive' discussion. When you (as most of the l*****t do here) present something you just assume that because you said it, it's a 'fact'. When shown it isn't, or asked to produce your source - crickets.

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Mar 31, 2020 16:49:50   #
tbutkovich
 
American Vet wrote:
The issue is that you haven't produced a 'productive' discussion. When you (as most of the l*****t do here) present something you just assume that because you said it, it's a 'fact'. When shown it isn't, or asked to produce your source - crickets.



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