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Mar 27, 2020 06:15:06   #
American Vet
 
Navigator wrote:
I do not enjoy banging my head against a wall but I can't seem to refrain from responding to some of the absolute idiocy so regularly displayed on OPP.



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Mar 27, 2020 14:25:50   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
It is always amazing to me to see to see people that are obviously fine, upstanding, Christian men and women involve themselves in the hypocrisy of jobs and money over people's lives. That is the fundamental issue here, people vs. economics. "I've got mine, and you can't jeopardize it." We've reduced it to a dog-eat-dog basis where the morality of the Christian faith is discarded in favor of "keeping what's mine and screw you." Charity and the "good of all" is superseded by raw survival instincts that throws us right back to the morals which existed when we lived in caves. Tolerance and charity are dead. Long live the "king of the mountain."

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Mar 27, 2020 14:26:18   #
jwrevagent
 
tbutkovich wrote:
I***ts “believe they have a right to be provided other people’s money” irregardless of the situation. They do not have to earn it. They would like to sit in a corner smoking weed, while everyone else works.

They would like to appoint someone like the government collect via taxes all the money, and place it on the “table of plenty” The government would like to collect the money so they can siphon off some of that money for their own self interests.

The government would then have all those freeloaders and working people assemble at the “table of plenty.” They would all sing a couple of verses of Koom By Yah! at the start of the ceremony. Those who sat idly by the whole year would take their unearned share, go down to the corner store, buy some more weed and repeat the sequence once again.

They call it in Bernies words:

“Democratic Socialism!” which is widely supported by the many freeloaders in this country including Bernie who never really had a real job having spending most of his life as a career politician.

If you can get enough elected Democrats in office and those that support Democratic Socialism, this policy could become practice. More and more free stuff could be passed out at the table of plenty.

After a few years, those working would get tired of sharing their hard earned dollars, but the policy would still be in force. Their only choice would be to quit working and join the other freeloaders and smoke weed. Soon the table of plenty would become the table of nothing. Everyone coming to the table would receive their fair share of nothing because nothing multiplied by any number is still nothing. No longer would the song Koom-By-Yah fill the chambers.

Yes, under “Democratic Socialism,” eventually you will run out of other people’s money!

Another failed policy being promoted by the I***tic Democrat Party.
I***ts “believe they have a right to be provided o... (show quote)


Kind of "Atlas Shrugged" like, huh? BTW, there is no such word as "irregardless". Should be "regardless of the situation." I do agree though. Interesting that the Dems keep talking about how we cannot criticize people because somehow it lowers their "self-esteem". Nothing lowers esteem like being free loader dependent on others to survive.

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Mar 27, 2020 15:14:45   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
whitnebrat wrote:
It is always amazing to me to see to see people that are obviously fine, upstanding, Christian men and women involve themselves in the hypocrisy of jobs and money over people's lives. That is the fundamental issue here, people vs. economics. "I've got mine, and you can't jeopardize it." We've reduced it to a dog-eat-dog basis where the morality of the Christian faith is discarded in favor of "keeping what's mine and screw you." Charity and the "good of all" is superseded by raw survival instincts that throws us right back to the morals which existed when we lived in caves. Tolerance and charity are dead. Long live the "king of the mountain."
It is always amazing to me to see to see people th... (show quote)


Right, nobody should have to go to work during a health crisis. Except for those responsible for the food YOU eat, and the medical care YOU need. Right?

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Mar 27, 2020 16:40:28   #
tbutkovich
 
whitnebrat wrote:
It is always amazing to me to see to see people that are obviously fine, upstanding, Christian men and women involve themselves in the hypocrisy of jobs and money over people's lives. That is the fundamental issue here, people vs. economics. "I've got mine, and you can't jeopardize it." We've reduced it to a dog-eat-dog basis where the morality of the Christian faith is discarded in favor of "keeping what's mine and screw you." Charity and the "good of all" is superseded by raw survival instincts that throws us right back to the morals which existed when we lived in caves. Tolerance and charity are dead. Long live the "king of the mountain."
It is always amazing to me to see to see people th... (show quote)


I am a Christian and I have given to over thirty different charitable organizations and gave to over ten this past year. One is a monthly donation to pay for two children in two separate countries to go to school. From time to time I give them some extra money.

One time I gave Ramon in Guatemala an extra $500.00 at Christmas. He wrote me later that he used the money to buy an acre of coffee beans.

I started another young boy from rhe Philippines in the program and when He entered the program, I gave him an extra $100.00 to buy some new clothes for school. He sent me a letter and said thank you for the extra money. He said: “I gave the money to my mom to fix our washing machine.”

You seem to have this idea that all Republicans don’t care about other people. You are really wrong about this! I prefer to keep my money away from the government and select those charities where I know my money will be put to good use. I object to giving it to the Democrats who like to use it to k**l babies and am a strong critic of planned parenthood!

Just curious. What have you done personally for charity?

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Mar 27, 2020 16:41:55   #
jwrevagent
 
whitnebrat wrote:
It is always amazing to me to see to see people that are obviously fine, upstanding, Christian men and women involve themselves in the hypocrisy of jobs and money over people's lives. That is the fundamental issue here, people vs. economics. "I've got mine, and you can't jeopardize it." We've reduced it to a dog-eat-dog basis where the morality of the Christian faith is discarded in favor of "keeping what's mine and screw you." Charity and the "good of all" is superseded by raw survival instincts that throws us right back to the morals which existed when we lived in caves. Tolerance and charity are dead. Long live the "king of the mountain."
It is always amazing to me to see to see people th... (show quote)


Wow. Sure glad I do not live where you do! Went to the grocery store today to pick up milk and fruit-oh, yeah, I also bought some cheese-guess I am one of the Christians you are talking about, huh? Anyway, in line ahead of me was a person who had two carts full of food and supplies. She apologized for the long wait while she checked out, but she said she was shopping for 4 elderly neighbors-I have not personally seen any sign of the mentality you describe. I live in the civilized midwest in a city of about 70000 people or so. In this state and in this city, people are making do, distancing, and self isolating when necessary. Other step up to help-no one cares if you can pay for groceries at this time or not-we take care of each other. Sorry about wherever it is that you live.

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Mar 28, 2020 00:25:09   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Since some of you have taken my criticism personally, let me say this:
I have no doubt that individual acts of charity are the norm for all of you. And yes, they do make a difference ... but not enough of a difference to alter the trajectory of our anti-immigrant tendencies, and the intolerance for minorities. It looks like we'll have to start rationing life-saving care in many large cities, which means that us older folks are the first to go. That was what I meant about the money vs. lives. We keep saying that you can't put a price on a human life ... we're doing just that when we balk at the cost of more ventilators for these hospitals. We're doing that when we elevate a white Christian life over that of a Guatemalan woman ... both of which are equally in need of life-saving care.
If you say that you agree with elevating that white life over the brown one, and that the brown one doesn't deserve the care ... I truly feel sorry for you.
That is what I meant ... I do hope that you really and truly think about this and choose tolerance and e******y.
If not, there's nothing more for me to say.

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Mar 28, 2020 01:28:36   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Since some of you have taken my criticism personally, let me say this:
I have no doubt that individual acts of charity are the norm for all of you. And yes, they do make a difference ... but not enough of a difference to alter the trajectory of our anti-immigrant tendencies, and the intolerance for minorities. It looks like we'll have to start rationing life-saving care in many large cities, which means that us older folks are the first to go. That was what I meant about the money vs. lives. We keep saying that you can't put a price on a human life ... we're doing just that when we balk at the cost of more ventilators for these hospitals. We're doing that when we elevate a white Christian life over that of a Guatemalan woman ... both of which are equally in need of life-saving care.
If you say that you agree with elevating that white life over the brown one, and that the brown one doesn't deserve the care ... I truly feel sorry for you.
That is what I meant ... I do hope that you really and truly think about this and choose tolerance and e******y.
If not, there's nothing more for me to say.
Since some of you have taken my criticism personal... (show quote)


Personally, I sincerely hope you do not contract the C****-** v***s and live a long healthy life. At least long enough to learn not to be a r****t bigot.

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Mar 28, 2020 02:19:16   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Personally, I sincerely hope you do not contract the C****-** v***s and live a long healthy life. At least long enough to learn not to be a r****t bigot.


Surely you jest! Where in anything that I have written does it suggest that I am a "r****t bigot"? Au contraire, mon cher, nothing could be further from the t***h. You must have grossly misread my posts. But if you interpreted them that way, you were not taking anything close to the correct meaning from them.

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Mar 28, 2020 02:37:29   #
American Vet
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Surely you jest! Where in anything that I have written does it suggest that I am a "r****t bigot"? Au contraire, mon cher, nothing could be further from the t***h. You must have grossly misread my posts. But if you interpreted them that way, you were not taking anything close to the correct meaning from them.


"to alter the trajectory of our anti-immigrant tendencies, and the intolerance for minorities" and "We're doing that when we elevate a white Christian life over that of a Guatemalan woman".

Right here - you accuse others of being 'r****t bigots' - thus implying that because one is 'white', one is intolerant of minorities. That' r****m.

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Mar 28, 2020 06:05:56   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
I am pointing out the fact that we're doing this as a society. As an individual, I'm sure that you don't consider that you would do any of these things, but as a country we are (and have always) had a problem with race and we discriminate based on it. The Civil War was fought because of it, and Reconstruction amplified it to the extent that we have the problem today. Only now, it's coupled with ageism and sexism. Am I a r****t? I would tell you that I'm not such, as I'm sure you would also state. The example you quote probably occurs multiple times a day in our hospitals. How about the situation where one of the patients was obviously homosexual? Would you discriminate? Would you choose one over the other? And if so, for what reason?
By your standards, you choose to call me a r****t (or an 'ist' or 'phobe' of any type), but in fact, we as a country are (and always have been) such, and it's getting worse. If you're choosing to judge me based on what I perceive to be factual evidence, we agree to disagree. I look forward to your answer.

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Mar 28, 2020 10:14:22   #
Rose42
 
teabag09 wrote:
Rose, you've hit the most important button. If the work force is sitting at home, milk, eggs, bread, meat, pharmaceuticals, TOILET PAPER, electricity and water and everything else we rely on for survival are all gone.

What's the answer? I don't know but I think this has been really over blown. The flu sickens and k**ls many more every year. This stuff isn't affecting younger people but mainly we seniors with other conditions. I believe it's a planned situation. Mike


There was no such panic even 10 years ago. The media is inciting it. My brother is a doc in a hot zone and says the vast majority recover. Yet the media focusses on death. They’re irresponsible.

Its easy for those who live comfortably to sit back and pontificate. Not so easy when you’re poor and need the income you just lost. The longer this goes on the worse it will get. And the longer it goes on the less tolerant and more hysterical people will become.

There are no easy answers but just 10 years ago I never saw the kinds of comments I see now. Nor have I ever seen people so primed for a police state.

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Mar 28, 2020 11:47:49   #
American Vet
 
whitnebrat wrote:
The example you quote probably occurs multiple times a day in our hospitals..


"Probably"??

Try using facts - good empirical data instead of your preconceived ideas (which are insulting to the health care community).

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Mar 28, 2020 12:11:49   #
tbutkovich
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
Yup. The more crises they can create, the more funding they receive.


More legislation, more pork, more kickbacks, more payola. Every Democrat gets a big bonus check. If the Senate or President doesn’t support the pork, the original bill will be delayed. Happens every time the budget is v**ed on in the Omnibus bills for upcoming years. GOP needs to get control of the House to stop this nonsense.

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Mar 28, 2020 12:12:43   #
American Vet
 
tbutkovich wrote:
More legislation, more pork, more kickbacks, more payola. Every Democrat gets a big bonus check. If the Senate or President doesn’t support the pork, the original bill will be delayed. Happens every time the budget is v**ed on in the Omnibus bills for upcoming years. GOP needs to get control of the House to stop this nonsense.



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