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Alabama Looking To Restrict Some From Getting A Respirator, It's Called Triage
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Mar 25, 2020 19:24:48   #
woodguru
 
Italy got to this point, only so many available respirators, way more people needing them, how do you decide?

You have to rule out severe cases that your experience says probably won't make it anyway
...still not enough respirators, people dying of cancer or heart failure are out
...still not enough, now we're looking at severely mentally retarded
...then we get to where Italy got, choosing younger people and those with kids, the elderly left at home to die

This is harsh, but many areas are going to be making choices as to who dies...it takes courage and resolve to set a policy upfront so the choice isn't made under pressure.

https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-plan-could-restrict-ventilator-access-people-advanced-dementia-severe-cancer-other-1494319

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Mar 25, 2020 19:34:00   #
Kevyn
 
woodguru wrote:
Italy got to this point, only so many available respirators, way more people needing them, how do you decide?

You have to rule out severe cases that your experience says probably won't make it anyway
...still not enough respirators, people dying of cancer or heart failure are out
...still not enough, now we're looking at severely mentally retarded
...then we get to where Italy got, choosing younger people and those with kids, the elderly left at home to die

This is harsh, but many areas are going to be making choices as to who dies...it takes courage and resolve to set a policy upfront so the choice isn't made under pressure.

https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-plan-could-restrict-ventilator-access-people-advanced-dementia-severe-cancer-other-1494319
Italy got to this point, only so many available re... (show quote)

This is what the right wing nutters said would result from universal health care, now it is here the death panels are a result of market based health care.

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Mar 25, 2020 19:40:08   #
saltwind78
 
woodguru wrote:
Italy got to this point, only so many available respirators, way more people needing them, how do you decide?

You have to rule out severe cases that your experience says probably won't make it anyway
...still not enough respirators, people dying of cancer or heart failure are out
...still not enough, now we're looking at severely mentally retarded
...then we get to where Italy got, choosing younger people and those with kids, the elderly left at home to die

This is harsh, but many areas are going to be making choices as to who dies...it takes courage and resolve to set a policy upfront so the choice isn't made under pressure.

https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-plan-could-restrict-ventilator-access-people-advanced-dementia-severe-cancer-other-1494319
Italy got to this point, only so many available re... (show quote)


wood, We can make lots more respirators than we are now. The problem is that Trump has not ordered American companies to manufacture them. He is looking for companies to volunteer. He certainly has the power to make super large corporations manufacture protective gear, tests for the virus and respirators. He is in a position to save thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of lives. He said that we are at war with this disease. If FDR would have asked American companies to volunteer making tanks airplanes and all the other materials for making war, we all would be speaking German now.

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Mar 25, 2020 19:41:31   #
Gatsby
 
woodguru wrote:
Italy got to this point, only so many available respirators, way more people needing them, how do you decide?

You have to rule out severe cases that your experience says probably won't make it anyway
...still not enough respirators, people dying of cancer or heart failure are out
...still not enough, now we're looking at severely mentally retarded
...then we get to where Italy got, choosing younger people and those with kids, the elderly left at home to die

This is harsh, but many areas are going to be making choices as to who dies...it takes courage and resolve to set a policy upfront so the choice isn't made under pressure.

https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-plan-could-restrict-ventilator-access-people-advanced-dementia-severe-cancer-other-1494319
Italy got to this point, only so many available re... (show quote)


Say Goodbye to Biden!

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Mar 25, 2020 19:46:33   #
woodguru
 
saltwind78 wrote:
wood, We can make lots more respirators than we are now. The problem is that Trump has not ordered American companies to manufacture them. He is looking for companies to volunteer. He certainly has the power to make super large corporations manufacture protective gear, tests for the virus and respirators. He is in a position to save thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of lives. He said that we are at war with this disease. If FDR would have asked American companies to volunteer making tanks airplanes and all the other materials for making war, we all would be speaking German now.
wood, We can make lots more respirators than we ar... (show quote)


I caught something about Tesla engineering a respirator they could make, they were at a stage where they can deliver the first thousand.

It obviously would take companies situated with the right tools and technology. Mask manufacturers should be ramping up on 2/3 shifts until the demand is determined, they know the demand will be there.

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Mar 25, 2020 19:48:45   #
woodguru
 
Gatsby wrote:
Say Goodbye to Biden!


Bye bye Bernie Lol

This just aint right to laugh about...

Why would trump get a respirator?

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Mar 25, 2020 20:02:12   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Bye bye Bernie Lol

This just aint right to laugh about...

Why would trump get a respirator?



There are certain perks to being Comander in Chief, The President.....The Man!! He gets a respirator, and a big mac if he so desires

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Mar 25, 2020 20:20:09   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
Bye bye Bernie Lol

This just aint right to laugh about...

Why would trump get a respirator?


I can't read and respond to any more stupid comments!

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Mar 25, 2020 20:40:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
woodguru wrote:
Italy got to this point, only so many available respirators, way more people needing them, how do you decide?

You have to rule out severe cases that your experience says probably won't make it anyway
...still not enough respirators, people dying of cancer or heart failure are out
...still not enough, now we're looking at severely mentally retarded
...then we get to where Italy got, choosing younger people and those with kids, the elderly left at home to die

This is harsh, but many areas are going to be making choices as to who dies...it takes courage and resolve to set a policy upfront so the choice isn't made under pressure.

https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-plan-could-restrict-ventilator-access-people-advanced-dementia-severe-cancer-other-1494319
Italy got to this point, only so many available re... (show quote)


Triage is difficult...

Brutal really...

Hope it doesn't come to that....

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Mar 25, 2020 23:25:40   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Kevyn wrote:
This is what the right wing nutters said would result from universal health care, now it is here the death panels are a result of market based health care.


NWR

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Mar 25, 2020 23:27:29   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
saltwind78 wrote:
wood, We can make lots more respirators than we are now. The problem is that Trump has not ordered American companies to manufacture them. He is looking for companies to volunteer. He certainly has the power to make super large corporations manufacture protective gear, tests for the virus and respirators. He is in a position to save thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of lives. He said that we are at war with this disease. If FDR would have asked American companies to volunteer making tanks airplanes and all the other materials for making war, we all would be speaking German now.
wood, We can make lots more respirators than we ar... (show quote)


Oh, come on.

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Mar 25, 2020 23:31:16   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Kevyn wrote:
This is what the right wing nutters said would result from universal health care, now it is here the death panels are a result of market based health care.
Thank you, Obama.

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Mar 25, 2020 23:41:38   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
saltwind78 wrote:
wood, We can make lots more respirators than we are now. The problem is that Trump has not ordered American companies to manufacture them. He is looking for companies to volunteer. He certainly has the power to make super large corporations manufacture protective gear, tests for the virus and respirators. He is in a position to save thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of lives. He said that we are at war with this disease. If FDR would have asked American companies to volunteer making tanks airplanes and all the other materials for making war, we all would be speaking German now.
wood, We can make lots more respirators than we ar... (show quote)
Guess you missed hearing Trump give Ford, GM and Tesla the green light to begin work on respirators and other critical items.

Ford is working with 3M and GE to make respirators and ventilators They'll be making masks also.

A respiratory ventilator is not a wind up toy, it is a sophisticated technological machine. Gonna take these manufacturers a little time to get all the construction data squared away and tool up or retool to get these babies rolling.

It is the state governments, i.e., governors, who are responsible for preparing their states for such contingencies. State governments certify hospitals, clinics, and medical facilities within their state, they regulate them, approve expansion of them, authorize upgrades in medical equipment and supplies. State governments license physicians, nurses, and other medical professionals. This is not the responsibility of the federal government.

It is telling that the hardest hit states - New York, California, Washington, New Jersey - are all run by democrats. With over half the cases of COVID-19, NY is the epicenter of this pandemic.

Due to prior viral outbreaks such as the flu and Ebola, governor Cuomo was told that NY needed to beef up the state's defense. He rejected the proposal.

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Mar 25, 2020 23:51:04   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Guess you missed hearing Trump give Ford, GM and Tesla the green light to begin work on respirators and other critical items.

Ford is working with 3M and GE to make respirators and ventilators They'll be making masks also.

A respiratory ventilator is not a wind up toy, it is a sophisticated technological machine. Gonna take these manufacturers a little time to get all the construction data squared away and tool up or retool to get these babies rolling.

It is the state governments, i.e., governors, who are responsible for preparing their states for such contingencies. State governments certify hospitals, clinics, and medical facilities within their state, they regulate them, approve expansion of them, authorize upgrades in medical equipment and supplies. State governments license physicians, nurses, and other medical professionals. This is not the responsibility of the federal government.

It is telling that the hardest hit states - New York, California, Washington, New Jersey - are all run by democrats. With over half the cases of COVID-19, NY is the epicenter of this pandemic.

Due to prior viral outbreaks such as the flu and Ebola, governor Cuomo was told that NY needed to beef up the state's defense. He rejected the proposal.
Guess you missed hearing Trump give Ford, GM and T... (show quote)


Due to prior viral outbreaks such as the flu and Ebola, governor Cuomo was told that NY needed to beef up the state's defense. He rejected the proposal.

>>>And he bitches the loudest, like a true Democrat. Disregard Federal Government directions, waste any money the Federal Government sends and then blames Trump for not bailing out his ass before the rest of New York sees him for what he is.

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Mar 26, 2020 00:23:06   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
Due to prior viral outbreaks such as the flu and Ebola, governor Cuomo was told that NY needed to beef up the state's defense. He rejected the proposal.

>>>And he bitches the loudest, like a true Democrat. Disregard Federal Government directions, waste any money the Federal Government sends and then blames Trump for not bailing out his ass before the rest of New York sees him for what he is.


He can't be any worse than De Blasio, can he?

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