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Mar 23, 2020 14:56:58   #
fullspinzoo
 
permafrost wrote:
You lost me my man...

Passed Bushes stimulus despite oppositions to it..... that k**led representative government.. different ever since, until trump came along????

trump has done everything possible to exclude anything other then his own self serving issues and his own yes-men..

Are you opposed to this stimulus from the C-19???

Also, my bad, we are ranting about different bailouts.. bush was for banks, wall street and such..

I should have been clear, my reference was the economic act which built infrastructure and overall job growth. Effective in blue states but not so much the red states.. why do you suppose that happened..
You lost me my man... br br Passed Bushes stimul... (show quote)


The bailout I like is the one that Obama did for $847 billion and there were "no shovel ready jobs". Almost a trillion $$$ down the drain. Your hero!!!!!

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Mar 23, 2020 15:08:40   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
You constantly say he lies but you can never be specific. When we talk about Obama lying we have proof on about 10 different lies just on ACA. At least we have proof. You have absolutely nothing or if you do let's hear them. And don't stupid s**t like the wall. Give me a break. That was just to get the crowd going. Technically they are paying for it. Besides they 17,000 Nat'l police up on the border. Trump is doing an excellent job. Even many Dems are throwing in their bulls**t and admitting it. As much as I h**e to admit it, you're a lost soul.
You constantly say he lies but you can never be sp... (show quote)




Gosh, so much to choose from and so little space on OPP..

well so this maybe my favorite at the moment..

https://prospect.org/power/two-biggest-lies-donald-trump-s-tax-plan/

The Big Prize: Corporate Rate Cuts

Our corporate tax rules allow many of the biggest companies to shelter much of their income from tax. As a result, even though our statutory federal tax rate until recently was higher than most other nations', corporate tax collections as a share of the U.S. economy have generally been below the OECD average.

A series of detailed studies by my organization, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), show that the biggest and most profitable corporations have, as a group, been able to shelter nearly half of their profits from tax. Our most recent study showed that between 2008 and 2015, 258 consistently profitable Fortune 500 corporations paid an average effective tax rate of 21.2 percent, and 100 of these companies avoided paying even a dime of federal income taxes in at least one profitable year during this eight-year period.

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Mar 23, 2020 15:25:06   #
Radiance3
 
permafrost wrote:
radiance, after the debacle of the tax gift and now you want to give them another pile of money with no strings attached?? think lady.. they have a s**m going and it is at our expense..

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Perma, please understand the tax reduction was for the companies that made our economy grow since 2018. Unfortunately, this v***s which had nothing to do with that tax reduction came up in 2020, from China.

This destroys our economy what was build up during 2018-2019. The Senate bailout will restore back the businesses, small and big to operation. This will allow them to hire back the laid off employees to work.

Therefore, economy will recover. This is a solution to restoring back our economy. It is not a bailout cause the companies will pay back the money to the government.

I am an accountant and auditor, and I hope you’ll listen to me how this will restore and solve our economy back to work.

It is our tax money, that is true. Speaking of tax, I’m just reviewing my IRS tax for 2019. It is $37,300 which is 25% of my income. In addition, I pay huge property tax. It is not worth having more income, cause most of it goes to the gov. But I don’t complain on the bailout. That will fix our economy. Without the bailout sooner or later, our economy will drug down further, and we all suffer. I hope you understand that.

Take care, and be safe. Don't be mean to our president. He is trying his best. This downfall of our economy hurts him most of all, because he cares for the people.

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Mar 23, 2020 15:26:26   #
fullspinzoo
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Perma, please understand the tax reduction was for the companies that made our economy grow since 2018. Unfortunately, this v***s which had nothing to do with that tax reduction came up in 2020, from China.

This destroys our economy what was build up during 2018-2019. The Senate bailout will restore back the businesses, small and big to operation. This will allow them to hire back the laid off employees to work.

Therefore, economy will recover. This is a solution to restoring back our economy. It is not a bailout cause the companies will pay back the money to the government.

I am an accountant and auditor, and I hope you’ll listen to me how this will restore and solve our economy back to work.

It is our tax money, that is true. Speaking of tax, I’m just reviewing my IRS tax for 2019. It is $37,300 which is 25% of my income. In addition, I pay huge property tax. It is not worth having more income, cause most of it goes to the gov. But I don’t complain on the bailout. That will fix our economy. Without the bailout sooner or later, our economy will drug down further, and we all suffer. I hope you understand that.

Take care, and be safe. Don't be mean to the GOP.
================= br i Perma, please understand t... (show quote)


Good advice, Radiance!!!!!

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Mar 23, 2020 15:28:57   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
permafrost wrote:
Bernie,,

One can not ignore fact or history...

These same corporation just finished spending the last mountain of money with no last effects..

Now we are expected to give them another unattached mountain with no oversight and trust them to do "the right thing"?..

for corporations, the right thing is to boost the bottom line in any way possible..

the writings in the 70s changed the capitalist view of labor from a partnership to one of opposition.

As of this AM, the growth of 3 years all gone.. so now a handout of money is needed to bring back the business that claimed as a trump accomplishment.. never was but what the hell does he know..

I remind you that I am a capitalist.. a very small one but I provided jobs and income to others.. I did not expect free money and then to be admired for what i did in pursuit of my own money.. that is silly..

I have not dug around to find what was provided for workers/citizens in the bill.. reports were of no oversight. that would allow the corps to do as the darn pleased..

As well as a huge payout to hotels.. who would want that little gift? think orange..

If regulation/requirements are not "tacked on" , they will never be forth coming..
Bernie,, br br One can not ignore fact or histor... (show quote)




Spending the last amount of money? What does that mean?


Trust corporations to do the right thing? How about trusting the American people to do the right thing.

You complain about the growth of the last 3 years being gone. Do you blame Trump for that? If you do, you are less than I think. I call that a really low blow.

Oversight? Are you kidding. We are dealing with an emergency. An emergency to the existence of carporations as well as individuals. Let's not bog it down with unnecessary stuff. That i***t Pelosi would keep things going forever if she could gain an ounce of recognition in this matter. She is so deficient on that she can never work her way out.

Do you view Trump's properties differently than any others? Even though his have been put in a blind trust and he has no control.

These fantasies you are having, Frosty, are very strange but I'll have to admit, not much different than what we have become accustomed to expect from Democrats.

BTW, the adversarial relationship between industry and labor was the result of labor unions and their thugs under people like John L Lewis and Jimmy Hoffa.

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Mar 23, 2020 16:06:40   #
JimMe
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Right now, the emphasis should be on expediency, not accuracy. By hard to administer, I simply mean bills that add a step that will require some court to decide if workers are being protected from being fired, when everyone knows no one wants them fired - we all want them back to work - full time.



You may not understand what I mean... Congressional Leaders don't get-a-fig about "expediency"... Quite the opposite... As has been demonstrated by both Dem and GOP Leaders, "expediency be... dammed".

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Mar 23, 2020 16:48:57   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
The bailout I like is the one that Obama did for $847 billion and there were "no shovel ready jobs". Almost a trillion $$$ down the drain. Your hero!!!!!



I just referred to that a few minutes ago..

My end point was why, while this did indeed work in blue states but in red state it seems to have never been any kind of factor..

Lots done in the real world that the right wing insists they never heard about.. why is that do you suppose?

Fox did not whisper it to you?

I have to think that the red state pols h**ed the dark guy so much they refused to use his ready to go policies for the benefit of their own constituents.. that would be you suffering for the h**e of those who feed you the kool aid you live on..

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Mar 23, 2020 16:49:53   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
permafrost wrote:
NO weasel, I did not see, or hear trump say that.. and it matters not at all what he may blabber at any press conference. nearly all of what he says is of the moment and never it true..

and last but far from least.. it matters what is in the bill which was not passed.. unattached money with no oversight to the corporations that robbed us of billions from the tax gift wanting only to do so again..

Loans, which must be paid back yes.. go for it.. also need action for the citizens of the country not only the corporations who l**t the damn place.

and I see we agree on that.. good to know...

Let them all get together and draw up a bill to fit the need.. that was once the norm for govt. action..

Just a news flash on my computer, the 2 trillion $$ bill just failed again.. no changes to prioritize anything for workers..

I feel very strongly that lady pelosi and company have a must win position.. for all americans..
NO weasel, I did not see, or hear trump say that..... (show quote)


Thank God for Executive Orders, and Magic Pens.

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Mar 23, 2020 17:15:06   #
Radiance3
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Good advice, Radiance!!!!!

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Thank you. That won't make any difference to the minds of the left. Please take care.

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Mar 23, 2020 17:22:26   #
JimMe
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
They passed Bushes trillion dollar stimulus despite opposition to it by 90% of the population, me being one of them. It was the day representative government died. It's been different ever since, until Trump came along.



Pres Trump deserves a Conservative GOP Majority House and Senate... We the People need to ensure this in the 2020 General E******ns... And the 2012 Midterms as well...

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Mar 23, 2020 17:32:03   #
Radiance3
 
JimMe wrote:
Pres Trump deserves a Conservative GOP Majority House and Senate... We the People need to ensure this in the 2020 General E******ns... And the 2012 Midterms as well...

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Putting back Congress and the Senate to the GOP in Nov. 2020, is the only way we could solve this economy and keep it going. The radical DEMS don't care, will d**g us further down, until the president gives up.

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Mar 23, 2020 17:38:28   #
Radiance3
 
permafrost wrote:
I just referred to that a few minutes ago..

My end point was why, while this did indeed work in blue states but in red state it seems to have never been any kind of factor..

Lots done in the real world that the right wing insists they never heard about.. why is that do you suppose?

Fox did not whisper it to you?

I have to think that the red state pols h**ed the dark guy so much they refused to use his ready to go policies for the benefit of their own constituents.. that would be you suffering for the h**e of those who feed you the kool aid you live on..
I just referred to that a few minutes ago.. br b... (show quote)

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Please remove that guilty conscience about dark color.
It is not the outside. It is the inside part in your heart that matters. That's the one that decides. The brain thinks, the heart nurtures it.

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Mar 23, 2020 19:46:04   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Spending the last amount of money? What does that mean?


Trust corporations to do the right thing? How about trusting the American people to do the right thing.

You complain about the growth of the last 3 years being gone. Do you blame Trump for that? If you do, you are less than I think. I call that a really low blow.

Oversight? Are you kidding. We are dealing with an emergency. An emergency to the existence of carporations as well as individuals. Let's not bog it down with unnecessary stuff. That i***t Pelosi would keep things going forever if she could gain an ounce of recognition in this matter. She is so deficient on that she can never work her way out.

Do you view Trump's properties differently than any others? Even though his have been put in a blind trust and he has no control.

These fantasies you are having, Frosty, are very strange but I'll have to admit, not much different than what we have become accustomed to expect from Democrats.

BTW, the adversarial relationship between industry and labor was the result of labor unions and their thugs under people like John L Lewis and Jimmy Hoffa.
Spending the last amount of money? What does that... (show quote)




I blame it all on the keybd..

Should have been.... spent the last of the mountain of money from the tax gift..

When money is involved, never ever lose the oversight..

Pelosi is the one looking out for the individual over the free cash for corporations.

only trump views his properties as different from all other properties in the world.. his own, all he cares about..

Last 3 years gone.. only making the observation, all the big talk, none of it real and in days his bragging is gone with the wind..

While a rebound could also be very fast.. customers return... wow the airlines, hotels and resorts are back in good times.. I think with trump indicating he is fed up with health issues depressing business day to day. He will demand normalcy and screw it up within a few weeks when the v***s expands to the extreme from which our sorry efforts have held it from reaching..

Corporations will never do the right thing and the people are powerless if the pols have their way..

NO....trump did not put his property in a blind trust and I have written a few posts b***hin about that..

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/17/congress-donald-trump-financial-conflicts-interest-illegal-column/2586149002/

Prior to Donald Trump, every other president in the modern era divested investments that conflict with official duties and placed personal assets in conflict-free investments or a blind trust. Trump has refused to do so. Rather, he insists on holding onto his hotels, clubs, and real estate and licensing interests around the world. The result so far is more than 1,400 known conflicts of interest.

President Trump’s response to his critics is telling. He says “the president can't have a conflict of interest,” an attitude more fit for a king than a president.

But the United States is not a monarchy, and nothing in our Constitution or laws would support such a characterization of p**********l immunity from conflict of interest. In fact, we have a republican form of government that was designed specifically to avoid this royal approach. Our leaders are supposed to represent the people who elect them. And any of them, including the president, can have a conflict of interest if their financial interests put them in a position where they could be tempted to put their own personal interests ahead of those of the republic.

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Mar 23, 2020 20:18:03   #
Radiance3
 
permafrost wrote:
I blame it all on the keybd..

Should have been.... spent the last of the mountain of money from the tax gift..

When money is involved, never ever lose the oversight..

Pelosi is the one looking out for the individual over the free cash for corporations.

only trump views his properties as different from all other properties in the world.. his own, all he cares about..

Last 3 years gone.. only making the observation, all the big talk, none of it real and in days his bragging is gone with the wind..

While a rebound could also be very fast.. customers return... wow the airlines, hotels and resorts are back in good times.. I think with trump indicating he is fed up with health issues depressing business day to day. He will demand normalcy and screw it up within a few weeks when the v***s expands to the extreme from which our sorry efforts have held it from reaching..

Corporations will never do the right thing and the people are powerless if the pols have their way..

NO....trump did not put his property in a blind trust and I have written a few posts b***hin about that..

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/01/17/congress-donald-trump-financial-conflicts-interest-illegal-column/2586149002/

Prior to Donald Trump, every other president in the modern era divested investments that conflict with official duties and placed personal assets in conflict-free investments or a blind trust. Trump has refused to do so. Rather, he insists on holding onto his hotels, clubs, and real estate and licensing interests around the world. The result so far is more than 1,400 known conflicts of interest.

President Trump’s response to his critics is telling. He says “the president can't have a conflict of interest,” an attitude more fit for a king than a president.

But the United States is not a monarchy, and nothing in our Constitution or laws would support such a characterization of p**********l immunity from conflict of interest. In fact, we have a republican form of government that was designed specifically to avoid this royal approach. Our leaders are supposed to represent the people who elect them. And any of them, including the president, can have a conflict of interest if their financial interests put them in a position where they could be tempted to put their own personal interests ahead of those of the republic.
I blame it all on the keybd.. br br Should have b... (show quote)

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1.Ya, and Pelosi wants to pay the $1.6 trillion student loan.
2.Pelosi wants to require all Airline companies to pay for control pollution.
3. While she traverse every weekend to San Fran, using her official plane provided by Congress at the same time pollutes the air.
4. Pelosi wants to include payment of $1.6 trillion student loan starting initially by paying each student $10,000.
5.Pay grants to states for limiting audit of the results of e******n. In other words pay states for limiting or prohibiting audits of v***r f***ds.
6. Adding budget for PP a******n budget for women to choose k*****g babies.
7. Allowing L**T, t***s ginger to medically change their sex from male to female, or vice versa, and paid for by the taxpayers.
8. Allowing student to barrow money added to their student loan for their Spring brake naked displays bodies as they drink alcohol their ugly d********g naked bodies screwing up with every body.

That is why all students will v**e for the democrats. The money that Pelosi wants to give is a v**e buying scheme, the only way to win their e******n.

There are so many more that Pelosi wants to pay using my tax money and that of others who pay taxes.

There are so many bizarre behavior of people where Pelosi wants to pay so they v**e for the democrats.
Note: This is only partial. I have to go.

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Mar 23, 2020 20:37:54   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
The situation looked promising with Dems and GOP working together and appears they were so close to finishing the deal when Speaker Pelosi walked and squashed the whole deal. Looks like those payments of around $12,000 will be delayed because Pelosi has thrown a wrench into the whole deal. Maybe we won't be getting those checks as soon expected. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-fails-move-foward-c****av***s-phase-three-rescue-bill
$1200 for singles, $2400 for families.

I just heard a reading of the provisions in N**i Pelosi's proposed c****av***s "stimulus" bill, there is nothing in it even remotely related to the p******c. What she is proposing is deadly. If congress, either GOP or dems, pass any kind of "stimulus" bill, we Americans are gonna get raped.

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