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Mar 23, 2020 11:10:26   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
permafrost wrote:
Gosh, talk about dev**ed orange sheep..

Even after the results of 3 years of orangedom, you still support the subjection of yourselves..

This, excerpt from an email has some dated info.. but the message is current as of the senate attempted ripoff..

The main reason why is that Trump, Mnuchin and the GOP want a c****av***s relief package that includes $500 billion, which would be provided to corporations at the discretion of Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. The bill would permit Mnuchin to withhold the names of corporate recipients for up to six months.

T***slation: Trump wants a half-trillion dollar slush fund to boost and protect favored companies—like the Trump Organization—and corporate executives with no meaningful protections for workers, while they continue to pull down huge paychecks and fire their workers.

Sen. Jeff Merkley explains why Senate Democrats blocked Mitch McConnell's corrupt c****av***s stimulus bill, "This is absolutely the worst of the worst when it comes to essentially corporate corrupt slush fund strategy. "

So Trump aka the Grand Wizard Grifter, would use that same corporate slush fund to reward first of all himself, his friends and punish his enemies. There will be no oversight or t***sparency because the Treasury Department will defy subpoenas for documents and witnesses.

Not so fun fact: Once the six months expired and as we have seen with so much with his administration, they would likely declare this information classified, and Trump for all we know would have received more than the value of his businesses.

So this is a nonstarter for the Democrats and rightfully so. Workers need to be protected first!

And before I forget; despite the entire country and the world is suffering from the c****av***s p******c and as a direct result the economy collapsing, Trump and the GOP are still vigorously trying to take away healthcare from 20 million Americans.

In other words: Today’s Republicans h**e the idea of poor and working-class Americans getting the health care they need. A Republican can’t enjoy his dinner unless he knows someone is going without one…

It’s all about the cruelty.
Gosh, talk about dev**ed orange sheep.. br br Ev... (show quote)



Frosty, the cold weather must be getting to you up there. It has already gotten to Omar so be careful. Your diatribe is filled with phrases like "for all we know," "likely," and "iffy" suppositions. Are you nuts? Do you think the corporate leaders want to keep this crap up so they can get more temporary money? The quickest way, by FAR, is to get these companies producing again and putting their workers back to work! Do you not know how a capitalist economy works. This is basic, particularly when the economy was humming along at a record pace just before this happened. Why in the world would a sane corporation want to keep their workers from working? I am sure glad that Pelosi and Durbin haven't run any corporations. The proposal is that we make payments to individuals of $1200 and to corporations to get workers back to work and producing. The quicker the better. We don't need delays like Pelosi and Durbin are causing to tack on unnecessary and hard to administer addendums to try to guarantee workers will get paid. Believe me, if the economy gets back to work, they will get theirs. They can't continue without workers.

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Mar 23, 2020 11:19:50   #
JimMe
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Frosty, the cold weather must be getting to you up there. It has already gotten to Omar so be careful. Your diatribe is filled with phrases like "for all we know," "likely," and "iffy" suppositions. Are you nuts? Do you think the corporate leaders want to keep this crap up so they can get more temporary money? The quickest way, by FAR, is to get these companies producing again and putting their workers back to work! Do you not know how a capitalist economy works. This is basic, particularly when the economy was humming along at a record pace just before this happened. Why in the world would a sane corporation want to keep their workers from working? I am sure glad that Pelosi and Durbin haven't run any corporations. The proposal is that we make payments to individuals of $1200 and to corporations to get workers back to work and producing. The quicker the better. We don't need delays like Pelosi and Durbin are causing to tack on unnecessary and hard to administer addendums to try to guarantee workers will get paid. Believe me, if the economy gets back to work, they will get theirs. They can't continue without workers.
Frosty, the cold weather must be getting to you up... (show quote)



When you stated "... hard to administer addendums..." in Congressional Bills, it is actually what not only Fed Congress, but State Legislatures, and Local Councils always look to pass... The more obscure a Bill's language, the more these Legislators need to "correct" in Their future... Well written Bills with only concrete proposals aren't what they strive for...

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Mar 23, 2020 11:24:13   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
JimMe wrote:
When you stated "... hard to administer addendums..." in Congressional Bills, it is actually what not only Fed Congress, but State Legislatures, and Local Councils always look to pass... The more obscure a Bill's language, the more these Legislators need to "correct" in Their future... Well written Bills with only concrete proposals aren't what they strive for...


Right now, the emphasis should be on expediency, not accuracy. By hard to administer, I simply mean bills that add a step that will require some court to decide if workers are being protected from being fired, when everyone knows no one wants them fired - we all want them back to work - full time.

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Mar 23, 2020 11:48:52   #
Kevyn
 
Weasel wrote:
Did you not see, hear, or read that President Trump will not allow big business to use any of this money for personal gains. Such as Stock Buy Backs? And will have to pay back the money they recieve, because it is issued to the as a loan. Not a grant. (Not Free Money For Big Business).
Da...

Nope he said no such thing, he hoped they wouldn’t but there is nothing in the senate bill that rules it out. Here is a basic outline of how to do it right. For any corporation getting a bailout the Treasury holds corporate stock as collateral until the bailout is paid back in full with interest. All executives and board members of any company bailed out surrender their stock options and their compensation is capped at that of the highest paid Union employee at the company until the bailout is paid back with interest. For instance the CEO of an airline getting taxpayer funds would make the same or less than a senior pilot. No company with more than 50 employees that doesn’t pay a living wage and provide paid sick time and health insurance to all employees is eligible for any bailout money. Everyone in the country gets a stipend to stay home from work during the emergency the exception being people who have an adjusted gross income of over double the poverty rate or hold over $250,000 in assets. The money is distributed by social security number so homeless and those not filing for federal income tax all receive the money.

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Mar 23, 2020 12:08:33   #
Radiance3
 
Kevyn wrote:
Nope he said no such thing, he hoped they wouldn’t but there is nothing in the senate bill that rules it out. Here is a basic outline of how to do it right. For any corporation getting a bailout the Treasury holds corporate stock as collateral until the bailout is paid back in full with interest. All executives and board members of any company bailed out surrender their stock options and their compensation is capped at that of the highest paid Union employee at the company until the bailout is paid back with interest. For instance the CEO of an airline getting taxpayer funds would make the same or less than a senior pilot. No company with more than 50 employees that doesn’t pay a living wage and provide paid sick time and health insurance to all employees is eligible for any bailout money. Everyone in the country gets a stipend to stay home from work during the emergency the exception being people who have an adjusted gross income of over double the poverty rate or hold over $250,000 in assets. The money is distributed by social security number so homeless and those not filing for federal income tax all receive the money.
Nope he said no such thing, he hoped they wouldn’t... (show quote)

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Present me the outline and I'll explain it to you. Put it up! There is no such thing in your claim, let me see it first so I could detail to you how it is done.

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Mar 23, 2020 12:48:19   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
I bet your mouth ran in a different direction when President Obama worked for the stimulus bill to fight the great recession which triggered under bush..

that was cut and cut again by the right wingers who then danced on the roof tops when the amount of money was not sufficient..

so now you see a need to give another mountain of money to the rich with no restrictions of oversight..

Wow, once and orange fool, always and orange fool..


They passed Bushes trillion dollar stimulus despite opposition to it by 90% of the population, me being one of them. It was the day representative government died. It's been different ever since, until Trump came along.

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Mar 23, 2020 14:07:05   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Frosty, you failed to understand that restoring the companies that generate revenue and employment are essential to our overall economy. Without them who will produce? The government does not produce, it spends that the private companies earn and pay.

So, bailing them out is not entirely a free bee, and helping the rich. That mentality is for the socialist brain. These companies pay back the money loaned to them. These companies when back to its operations, hiring thousands of people again so their jobs are restored. That is how our economy works.

We are a capitalist country, where private ownership incentivizes production, creativity, innovation, hard work, for more profit expansion of overall wealth. That is why our country became the wealthiest country over all the world.

We are a Capitalist Republic. That is how our Founding Fathers set it up. Their vision was great that benefited all of us.

But the people screw it up. Who are they? The radical DEMS. Don't blame me.
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radiance, after the debacle of the tax gift and now you want to give them another pile of money with no strings attached?? think lady.. they have a s**m going and it is at our expense..

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Mar 23, 2020 14:09:55   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:
radiance, after the debacle of the tax gift and now you want to give them another pile of money with no strings attached?? think lady.. they have a s**m going and it is at our expense..


What "debate of the tax gift" are you talking about?

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Mar 23, 2020 14:13:42   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
But your still unwilling to name one person who could do a better job. You really don't have the cojones. So shut up with all due respect. You are one of the biggest b***h and moaners but not ONCE have I heard you offer a SOLUTION that makes sense. You are the worst.


what??? spin, you did not read my replies to that question? I gave several options..

want one more right now? OK..

Joe Biden... you mock him with the usual character assassination of the orange cult..

But while he makes slips and chuckles over them, trump the orange dip sh** lies to your face and then lies about his lies..

trump struggles to make sense of his prepared script and yet you have the mind set to b***h at the acknowledged slips of the tongue from Joe.

It does not matter that all of trumps only gain, the stock market increase is gone and done, you want to give him even more money..

Hopeless group of hopeless people with no mind of their own.. lost and do not know it..

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Mar 23, 2020 14:21:15   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Weasel wrote:
Did you not see, hear, or read that President Trump will not allow big business to use any of this money for personal gains. Such as Stock Buy Backs? And will have to pay back the money they recieve, because it is issued to the as a loan. Not a grant. (Not Free Money For Big Business).
Da...



NO weasel, I did not see, or hear trump say that.. and it matters not at all what he may blabber at any press conference. nearly all of what he says is of the moment and never it true..

and last but far from least.. it matters what is in the bill which was not passed.. unattached money with no oversight to the corporations that robbed us of billions from the tax gift wanting only to do so again..

Loans, which must be paid back yes.. go for it.. also need action for the citizens of the country not only the corporations who l**t the damn place.

and I see we agree on that.. good to know...

Let them all get together and draw up a bill to fit the need.. that was once the norm for govt. action..

Just a news flash on my computer, the 2 trillion $$ bill just failed again.. no changes to prioritize anything for workers..

I feel very strongly that lady pelosi and company have a must win position.. for all americans..

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Mar 23, 2020 14:36:13   #
fullspinzoo
 
permafrost wrote:
what??? spin, you did not read my replies to that question? I gave several options..

want one more right now? OK..

Joe Biden... you mock him with the usual character assassination of the orange cult..

But while he makes slips and chuckles over them, trump the orange dip sh** lies to your face and then lies about his lies..

trump struggles to make sense of his prepared script and yet you have the mind set to b***h at the acknowledged slips of the tongue from Joe.

It does not matter that all of trumps only gain, the stock market increase is gone and done, you want to give him even more money..

Hopeless group of hopeless people with no mind of their own.. lost and do not know it..
what??? spin, you did not read my replies to that ... (show quote)


You constantly say he lies but you can never be specific. When we talk about Obama lying we have proof on about 10 different lies just on ACA. At least we have proof. You have absolutely nothing or if you do let's hear them. And don't stupid s**t like the wall. Give me a break. That was just to get the crowd going. Technically they are paying for it. Besides they 17,000 Nat'l police up on the border. Trump is doing an excellent job. Even many Dems are throwing in their bulls**t and admitting it. As much as I h**e to admit it, you're a lost soul.

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Mar 23, 2020 14:36:34   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Frosty, the cold weather must be getting to you up there. It has already gotten to Omar so be careful. Your diatribe is filled with phrases like "for all we know," "likely," and "iffy" suppositions. Are you nuts? Do you think the corporate leaders want to keep this crap up so they can get more temporary money? The quickest way, by FAR, is to get these companies producing again and putting their workers back to work! Do you not know how a capitalist economy works. This is basic, particularly when the economy was humming along at a record pace just before this happened. Why in the world would a sane corporation want to keep their workers from working? I am sure glad that Pelosi and Durbin haven't run any corporations. The proposal is that we make payments to individuals of $1200 and to corporations to get workers back to work and producing. The quicker the better. We don't need delays like Pelosi and Durbin are causing to tack on unnecessary and hard to administer addendums to try to guarantee workers will get paid. Believe me, if the economy gets back to work, they will get theirs. They can't continue without workers.
Frosty, the cold weather must be getting to you up... (show quote)


Bernie,,

One can not ignore fact or history...

These same corporation just finished spending the last mountain of money with no last effects..

Now we are expected to give them another unattached mountain with no oversight and trust them to do "the right thing"?..

for corporations, the right thing is to boost the bottom line in any way possible..

the writings in the 70s changed the capitalist view of labor from a partnership to one of opposition.

As of this AM, the growth of 3 years all gone.. so now a handout of money is needed to bring back the business that claimed as a trump accomplishment.. never was but what the hell does he know..

I remind you that I am a capitalist.. a very small one but I provided jobs and income to others.. I did not expect free money and then to be admired for what i did in pursuit of my own money.. that is silly..

I have not dug around to find what was provided for workers/citizens in the bill.. reports were of no oversight. that would allow the corps to do as the darn pleased..

As well as a huge payout to hotels.. who would want that little gift? think orange..

If regulation/requirements are not "tacked on" , they will never be forth coming..

This may not be the same bill.. so much movement I lost track..but the idea holds.
This may not be the same bill.. so much movement I...

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Mar 23, 2020 14:39:01   #
fullspinzoo
 
permafrost wrote:
Bernie,,

One can not ignore fact or history...

These same corporation just finished spending the last mountain of money with no last effects..

Now we are expected to give them another unattached mountain with no oversight and trust them to do "the right thing"?..

for corporations, the right thing is to boost the bottom line in any way possible..

the writings in the 70s changed the capitalist view of labor from a partnership to one of opposition.

As of this AM, the growth of 3 years all gone.. so now a handout of money is needed to bring back the business that claimed as a trump accomplishment.. never was but what the hell does he know..

I remind you that I am a capitalist.. a very small one but I provided jobs and income to others.. I did not expect free money and then to be admired for what i did in pursuit of my own money.. that is silly..

I have not dug around to find what was provided for workers/citizens in the bill.. reports were of no oversight. that would allow the corps to do as the darn pleased..

As well as a huge payout to hotels.. who would want that little gift? think orange..

If regulation/requirements are not "tacked on" , they will never be forth coming..
Bernie,, br br One can not ignore fact or histor... (show quote)


There is no tax-payer funded and that's a bunch of bulls**t ~ rich getting richer. If Hillary was president right now I can't imagine how bad things would be, but there would be 10 x's more people dead, I'll guarantee you that . Or course she would try to figure out how to make money off of it. Let's see almost 1000 dead, that makes 1000 new v**ers. That's the way she thinks. The scum of the earth.

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Mar 23, 2020 14:50:30   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
They passed Bushes trillion dollar stimulus despite opposition to it by 90% of the population, me being one of them. It was the day representative government died. It's been different ever since, until Trump came along.



You lost me my man...

Passed Bushes stimulus despite oppositions to it..... that k**led representative government.. different ever since, until trump came along????

trump has done everything possible to exclude anything other then his own self serving issues and his own yes-men..

Are you opposed to this stimulus from the C-19???

Also, my bad, we are ranting about different bailouts.. bush was for banks, wall street and such..

I should have been clear, my reference was the economic act which built infrastructure and overall job growth. Effective in blue states but not so much the red states.. why do you suppose that happened..



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Mar 23, 2020 14:54:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
American Vet wrote:
What "debate of the tax gift" are you talking about?




Debacle Vet, Debacle..all those billions which went to stock buy backs and not to wages or reinvestment. all gone for nothing..

and that was before the C-19..

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