Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I will give you the list..... Can you show me where each criteria was fulfilled?

1. The Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon
The Messiah must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct descendant of King David & King Solomon (2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:9-10). Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son (Numbers 1:1-18).

2. Ingathering of the Jewish Exiles
When the Messiah is reigning as King of Israel, the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel, their homeland (Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24).

3. Rebuilding of the Holy Temple
The Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt (Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:26–27; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21).

3. Worldwide Reign of Peace
There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18).

4. Observance of the Torah Embraced by All Jews
The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).

5. Universal Knowledge of G-d
The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9).

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Very interesting. Those prophecies didn't happen. It was just the opposite.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

This will take some time for me to vet...

Thanks....

I think there is a lot here to go over...

Fodaoson Loc: South Texas

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

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Do you have another link?

Fodaoson Loc: South Texas

try this one .It is not as extensive https://www1.cbn.com/biblestudy/biblical-prophecies-fulfilled-by-jesus

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Good article, many thanks. But, what about my list....fulfilled or not?

Thaddeus

This is a great piece Pennylynn: I would love to share a few thoughts on it
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1.The Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon 
The Messiah must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct descendant of King David & King Solomon (2 Samuel 7:12-14; 1 Chronicles 22:9-10). Genealogy in the Bible is only passed down from father to son (Numbers 1:1-18).

5 and Salmon the father of Boaz by Rahab, and Boaz the father of Obed by Ruth, and Obed the father of Jesse,6 and Jesse the father of David the king. And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uriah, 7 and Solomon the father of Rehoboam, and Rehoboam the father of Abijah, and Abijah the father of Asaph,8 and Asaph the father of Jehoshaphat, and Jehoshaphat the father of Joram, and Joram the father of Uzziah,9 and Uzziah the father of Jotham, and Jotham the father of Ahaz, and Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,10 and Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, and Manasseh the father of Amos, and Amos the father of Josiah,11 and Josiah the father of Jechoniah and his brothers, at the time of the deportation to Babylon.12 And after the deportation to Babylon: Jechoniah was the father of Shealtiel, and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,13 and Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, and Abiud the father of Eliakim, and Eliakim the father of Azor,14 and Azor the father of Zadok, and Zadok the father of Achim, and Achim the father of Eliud,15 and Eliud the father of Eleazar, and Eleazar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob,16 and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. (Matthew 1:5-16ESV)

Exgesis of the text: Matthew 1:5-16
Matt. 1:5–6 Salmon the father of Boaz by Rahab . . . Jesse the father of David the king. This is not an exhaustive genealogy. Several additional generations must have elapsed between Rahab (in Joshua’s time) and David (v. 6)—nearly four centuries later. Matthew’s genealogy (like most of the biblical ones) sometimes skips over several generations between well known characters in order to abbreviate the listing.
Matt. 1:8 Joram the father of Uzziah. Cf. 1 Chron. 3:10–12. Matthew skips over Ahaziah, Joash, and Amaziah, going directly from Joram to Uzziah (Azariah)—using a kind of genealogical shorthand. He seems to do this intentionally in order to make a symmetrical threefold division in Matt. 1:17.

Matt. 1:11 Josiah the father of Jeconiah. Again, Matthew skips a generation between Josiah and Jeconiah (cf. 1 Chron. 3:14–16). Jeconiah is also called Jehoiachin (2 Kings 24:6; 2 Chron. 36:8) and sometimes Coniah (Jer. 22:24). Jeconiah’s presence in this genealogy presents an interesting dilemma. A curse on him forbade any of his descendants from the throne of David forever (Jer. 22:30). Since Jesus was heir through Joseph to the royal line of descent, but not an actual son of Joseph and thus not a physical descendant through this line, the curse bypassed him.

Matt. 1:12 Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel. See 1 Chron. 3:17–19, where Zerubbabel is said to be the offspring of Pedaiah, Shealtiel’s brother. Elsewhere in the OT, Zerubbabel is always called the son of Shealtiel (e.g., Hag. 1:1; Ezra 3:2; Neh. 12:1). Possibly Shealtiel adopted his nephew (see note on Hag. 2:23). Zerubbabel is the last character in Matthew’s list who appears in any of the OT genealogies.

Matt. 1:16 Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born. The pronoun “whom” is singular, referring to Mary alone. The unusual way in which this final entry is phrased underscores the fact that Jesus was not Joseph’s literal offspring. The genealogy nonetheless establishes his claim to the throne of David as Joseph’s legal heir.

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2. Ingathering of the Jewish Exiles
When the Messiah is reigning as King of Israel, the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel, their homeland (Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24).

1 "And when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the LORD your God has driven you,
2 and return to the LORD your God, you and your children, and obey his voice in all that I command you today, with all your heart and with all your soul,
3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the LORD your God has scattered you. (Deuteronomy 30:1-3 ESV)

Exgesis of the text Deut 30:1-3
Deut. 30:1–10 The rejection of God by Israel, and of Israel by God and the subsequent dispersion were not the end of the story of God’s people. Having anticipated a time when Israel’s disobedience would lead to her captivity in a foreign land, Moses looked beyond the destruction of that time of judgment to an even more distant time of restoration and redemption for Israel (cf. Lev. 26:40–45). This future restoration and blessing of Israel would take place under the New Covenant (see notes on Jer. 31:31–34; 32:36–41; Ezek. 36:25–27). For a comparison of the New Covenant with the Old Covenant, see notes on 2 Cor. 3:6–18.

Deut. 30:1–3 you call them to mind. Moses moved to the future when curses would be over and blessings would come. At some future time, after disobedience to the Lord brought upon Israel the curses of the covenant, the people will remember that the circumstances in which they found themselves were the inevitable consequence of their disobedience, and in repentance they will return to the Lord. This repentance will lead to a wholehearted commitment of obedience to God’s commandments (v. 8) and the consequent end of Israel’s distress (v. 3). This is the ultimate salvation of Israel by faith in Christ, spoken of by Isaiah (54:4–8), Jeremiah (31:31–34; 32:37–42), Ezekiel (36:23–38), Hosea (14:1–9), Joel (3:16–21), Amos (9:11–15), Zephaniah (3:14–20), Zechariah (12:10–13:9), Malachi (3:16–4:4), and Paul (Rom. 11:25–27).

The fulfillment spoken of in Romans:
25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob";
27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins." (Romans 11:25-27ESV)

I am a Pre-Millennialist and i believe that after the rapture of the church they will be 7 yeras of tribulation (Jacob’s trouble) and at the end of this time before the second coming of Christ there is a time called the 75 day Interim period also but at the Second coming of Jesus Christ as seen in this portion of scripture:
(Revelation 19:15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations (19:15): The sharp sword is a symbol of Christ’s omnipotent power to execute His enemies (compare with Isaiah 11:4). Because the sword comes out of His mouth, Christ likely accomplishes His victory over His enemies by the power of His spoken word, ?ust as He created the universe by His spoken word (Psalm 33:6; Colossians 1:16; John 1:1-3).
Christ strikes down the nations (the forces of the antichrist) at
Armageddon because they attacked Israel (Joel 3:2; Zechariah 12:2-3). At the end of the tribulation, the Israelites will be acutely aware that the forces of antichrist have gathered to destroy them. In this dire situation, they will finally see that Jesus really is the promised Messiah. Their spiritual blindness will be removed, and the Jewish remnant will experience national regeneration. This will be in fulfillment of Joel 2:28-29, which promises a spiritual awakening of the Jewish remnant. This will also be a fulfillment of the apostle Paul’s prophecy of the Jews in Romans 11:25-27. As the forces of antichrist advance, the Israelites will plead for their newly found Messiah to return and deliver them (Zechariah 12:10; Matthew
23:37-39), at which point their deliverance will surely come (see Romans 10:13-14). As we see in the next verse, Jesus subsequently comes and strikes down the hostile nations He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty (19:15): Treading on grapes is a common metaphor for ?udgment. Instead of
grape ?uice flowing, however, the blood of unbelievers will flow when
Christ slays them. (Excerpt frorm 40 Days through the Book of Revelation by Ron Rhodes) )

So i believe this is an event that is yet to be fulfilled in the future.

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3. Rebuilding of the Holy Temple
The Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt (Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:26–27; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21).

A 75-Day Interim Period
Though the book of Revelation does not directly speak of it, other
prophetic verses describe a 75-day interval between the end of the
tribulation period and the beginning of the millennial kingdom. During this brief interim, a number of significant events transpire.
For example, the image of the antichrist that had caused the
abomination of desolation at the midpoint in the tribulation will be removed from the temple after 30 days. Daniel 12:11 tells us, “From the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.” The last half of the tribulation lasts only 1260 days (or three and a half years). So the abomination that makes desolate is removed from the Jewish temple 30 days after the tribulation ends.
An additional 45 days must also be added into the prophetic timetable. Daniel 12:12 states, “Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335
days.” (The 1335 days minus the 1290 days means another 45 days are added into the mix.) Apparently the ?udgment of the nations, recorded in Matthew 25:31-46, takes place during this time. The Jewish survivors of the tribulation period will also be ?udged (Ezekiel 20). Many theologians also believe that Old Testament saints will be resurrected from the dead during this interim period. “Your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise. You who dwell in the dust, awake and sing for ?oy! For your dew is a dew of light, and the earth will give birth to the dead” (Isaiah 26:19). “Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2).
Finally, tribulation saints who died are resurrected from the dead. “I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4).
The governmental structure of the coming millennial kingdom may also be set up during the extra 45 days. We have ?ust read that the saints will reign with Christ in the millennial kingdom (see also 2 Timothy 2:12). After believers and unbelievers have been separated and the unbelievers are removed in ?udgment, some time will be required to appoint saints to different government positions and inform them of their various
responsibilities. The marriage feast of Christ—featuring the divine Bridegroom, Jesus Christ, and His bride, the church—may also take place at the close of the 75-day period. If so, it will be the highlight of those two and a half months. The invitation to the marriage feast, mentioned in Revelation 19:9, immediately precedes the second coming of Christ: “Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” It would make good sense that the marriage feast would take place shortly thereafter. Following the 75-day interval, Christ will set up His millennial kingdom
(Isaiah 2:2-4; Ezekiel 37:1-14; 40–48; Micah 4:1-7; Revelation 20). (More
on this in the next chapter.) Exerpt from 40 Days through the Book of Revelation))

I stand to be corrected but i personally believe in this 75 day interim the temple will be rebuilt since the Millennial kingdom will have to be established with Jerusalem as the headquaters where Christ will rule from.

(To be Continued.........)

Thaddeus

Pennylynn thanks for sharing: This is the continuation:

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3. Worldwide Reign of Peace
There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18).

Revelation 20:1-3
I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain (20:1): The bottomless pit serves as the place of imprisonment of demonic spirits (Luke 8:31; 2 Peter 2:4).He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan,and bound him for a thousand years (20:2): “Dragon” is an apt metaphor that points to the ferocity and cruelty of this evil spirit being. “Serpent” is apparently an allusion to Satan’s first appearance in the Garden of Eden, where he deceived Eve (Genesis 3; 2 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Timothy 2:14).
“Devil” (see Matthew 4:1) carries the ideas of “adversary” and
“slanderer.” The devil was and is the adversary of Christ; he is the
adversary of all who follow Christ. The word “Satan” also carries the idea of “adversary.”
The devil—along with all demonic spirits—will be bound in the
bottomless pit for 1000 years during Christ’s millennial kingdom.
(“Millennium” comes from two Latin words—mille, which means
“thousand,” and annum, which means “year.”) This quarantine will
effectively remove a powerful destructive and deceptive force in all areas of human life and thought during Christ’s kingdom.
Christ’s millennial kingdom will be wondrous. During this time,
righteousness will flourish (Isaiah 11:3-5), peace will be universal (Isaiah 2:4), and the fruitfulness and productivity of the earth will be greatly increased (Isaiah 35:1-2).The millennial kingdom is one of those doctrines that Christians seemingly love to debate. There are three primary theological views— premillennialism, amillennialism, and postmillennialism (see “Ma?or Themes” below). I hold to premillennialism, the view that following the second coming, Christ will institute a kingdom of perfect peace and righteousness on earth that will last 1000 years. This view is based on a literal interpretation of prophecy.
The imprisonment of Satan and his host of fallen angels will greatly
change the religious landscape during the millennial kingdom. Gone will be their deception, their destructive influence, their temptations to sin and rebel against God, their continued stance against the purposes of God, and the guilt they inflict on the consciences of Christians.
Threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he
might not deceive the nations any longer (20:3): After the angel casts Satan into the bottomless pit, he seals it to prevent escape. He thereby ensures that Satan will be unable to deceive people during Christ’s millennial kingdom. Exerpt from 40 Days through the book of Revelation by Ron Rhodes)

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4. Observance of the Torah Embraced by All Jews
The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).

Exgesis of Jeremiah 31:31-34)

31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jeremiah 31:31, ESV)

Jer. 31:31–34 a new covenant. In contrast to the Mosaic Covenant under which Israel failed, God promised a New Covenant with a spiritual, divine dynamic by which those who know him would participate in the blessings of salvation. The fulfillment was to individuals, yet also to Israel as a nation (v. 36; Rom. 11:16–27). It is set 1) in the framework of a reestablishment in their land (e.g., Jer. 30–33 and in 31:38–40) and 2) in the time after the ultimate difficulty (30:7). In principle, this covenant, also announced by Jesus Christ (Luke 22:20), begins to be exercised with spiritual aspects realized for Jewish and Gentile believers in the church era (1 Cor. 11:25; Heb. 8:7–13; 9:15; 10:14–17; 12:24; 13:20). It has already begun to take effect with “a remnant, chosen by grace” (Rom. 11:5). It will be also realized by the people of Israel in the last days, including the regathering to their ancient land, Palestine (Jer. 30–33). The streams of the Abrahamic, Davidic, and New Covenants find their confluence in the millennial kingdom ruled over by the Messiah.

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5. Universal Knowledge of G-d
The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9).

20 "Thus says the LORD of hosts: Peoples shall yet come, even the inhabitants of many cities.
21 The inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, 'Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the LORD and to seek the LORD of hosts; I myself am going.'
22 Many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the LORD.
23 Thus says the LORD of hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, 'Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'" (Zechariah 8:20-22ESV)

Exgesis of (Zechariah 8:20-22ESV)

20 "Thus says the LORD of hosts: Peoples shall yet come, even the inhabitants of many cities.
21 The inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, 'Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the LORD and to seek the LORD of hosts; I myself am going.'
22 Many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the LORD.
23 Thus says the LORD of hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, 'Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'" (Zechariah 8:20, ESV)

(MOST OF THE EXGESIS WAS GOT FROM THE JOHN MAC ARTHUR STUDY BIBLE)

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you so very much for your time and your input.

So, let us go through your post…no disrespect, just questions. You give the line of Joseph.. at what point was G*d born in this linage? Christians believe (correction welcomed) that Jesus’ biological father was G*d Himself. Joseph was Jesus’ stepfather. To quote your reply “Matt. 1:16 Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born. The pronoun “whom” is singular, referring to Mary alone. The unusual way in which this final entry is phrased underscores the fact that Jesus was not Joseph’s literal offspring.” However, the Bible is clear in 2 Samuel “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom.” I do not read this as a stepchild. Am I wrong?

2. When the Messiah is reigning as King of Israel, the Jews will be ingathered from their exile and will return to Israel, their homeland (Deut. 30:3; Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24). This did not happen in the time of Jesus. Indeed, there is no indication that he tried. His travels were mainly inside of Israel, best estimates roughly about 65 miles.

3. Rebuilding of the Holy Temple. The Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt (Isaiah 2:2-3, 56:6-7, 60:7, 66:20; Ezekiel 37:26–27; Malachi 3:4; Zech. 14:20-21). The Temple was still standing in Jesus’ day. It was destroyed 38 years after Jesus’ crucifixion, and it has not yet been rebuilt.

4. There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18). Wars have increased dramatically. Even during the time of Jesus… there was the battle of the Teutoburg Forest. This was regarded as one of the biggest defeats of the Roman empire, with the Germanic tribes able to preserve the integrity of their homeland east of the Rhine from invasion by the Romans. In East Asia, there were two changes in dynasty in China; the Western Han Dynasty was overthrown by Wang Mang, who founded the Xin Dynasty. This dynasty was then overthrown by peasant forces in the Battle of Kwunyang, restoring the Han monarchy.

5. The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).
Jesus never ruled as King, nor have all Jews embraced the commandments of G-d’s Torah.

6. The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9). This, as well, has not yet taken place and we await its fulfillment.

Again I may be in error, but I do not see anyplace in the prophecy of the Messiah an installment plan. I don’t think that concept was part of our forefather’s philosophy.

This is just my opinion, but is not the notion of a “second coming doctrine” an admission that Jesus did not fulfill the Messianic criteria?

Again, no disrespect...just questions.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

And excellent questions at that...

Thaddeus

Thanks for sharing Kyle



Christ gets His body from Mary who is also a descendant of David
Exgesis of 2Samuel 7:12-14
2 Sam 7:12 your offspring. According to the rest of Scripture, it was the coming Messiah who would establish David’s kingdom forever (see Isa. 9:6–7; Luke 1:32–33).

2 Sam 7:14 a father . . . a son. These words are directly related to Jesus the Messiah in Heb. 1:5. In Semitic thought, since the son had the full character of the father, the future seed or descendants of David would have the same essence of God. That Jesus Christ was God incarnate is the central theme of John’s Gospel (see Introduction to John). When he commits iniquity. As a human father disciplines his sons, so the Lord would discipline David’s descendants, if they committed iniquity. This has reference to the intermediary seed until Messiah’s arrival (any king of David’s line from Solomon on). However, the ultimate Seed of David will not be a sinner as David and his descendants were, as recorded in Samuel and Kings (see 2 Cor. 5:21). Significantly, Chronicles, focusing more directly on the Messiah, does not include this statement in its record of Nathan’s words (1 Chron. 17:13).

To understand this we have to look at
32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,
33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end." (Luke 1:32, ESV)

Exgesis of Luke 1:31-33:
Luke 1:32 He will be great. This same promise was made of John the Baptist. However, the subsequent title is what set Jesus apart. the Son of the Most High. Cf. v. 76, where John the Baptist is called “the prophet of the Most High.” The Greek term Luke uses for “Most High” is the one employed in the LXX to translate the Hebrew, “The Most High God.” Since a son bears his father’s qualities, calling a person someone else’s “son” was a way of signifying equality. Here the angel was telling Mary that her son would be equal to the Most High God. his father David. See note on Matt. 9:27. Jesus was David’s physical descendant through Mary’s line. David’s “throne” was emblematic of the messianic kingdom (cf. 2 Sam. 7:13–16; Ps. 89:26–29).

Luke 1:33 over the house of Jacob forever. This emphasizes both the Jewish character of the millennial kingdom and the eternal permanence of Christ’s rule over all. See notes on Isa. 9:7 and Dan. 2:44.

In simple terms Jesus could in no way have a human father because He would then carry the sin nature in Him and this would disprove Him to be God but His body came from the mother (meaning He was a physical descendant of David through Mary’s line) but He Himself was born of the Holy Spirit( Virgin birth) which is a miracle and Glory to God indeed for that.



Yes this is true in line with a time frame during His ministry He did not rule (because of God’s plan) though He was the rightful heir to the throne that’s why Herold tried to kill Him.

But when we look at the timeline of the time of Grace which is now(Matthew 28) and the end times Christ rules. So after the times of the Gentiles have been fulfilled and also Jacob’s trouble(7 year tribulation) has finished Christ will come back and the bible says the Jews will look at Him whom they pierced.
"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10, ESV)

Zech. 12:10 I will pour. God, in his own perfect time and by his own power, will sovereignly act to save Israel. This was prophesied by other prophets (cf. Ezek. 39:29; Joel 2:28–32), and by the apostle Paul (cf. Rom. 11:25–27). spirit of grace and pleas for mercy. The Holy Spirit is so identified because he brings saving grace and because that grace produces sorrow that will result in repentant prayer to God for forgiveness (cf. Matt. 5:4; Heb. 10:29). look on me, on him whom they have pierced. Israel’s repentance will come because they look to Jesus, the One whom they rejected and crucified (cf. Isa. 53:5; John 19:37), in faith at the second advent (Rom. 11:25–27). When God says they pierced “me,” he is certainly affirming the incarnation of deity—Jesus was God. See note on John 10:30.


Yes this is true as of now but at a future time Christ will rule physically on earth for 1000years with the saints and His headquaters will be the Jerusalem temple meaning it will be built but we cannot tell when,we have to just see the prophecy unfold since the church(bride) will come back with Him at the Second Coming and we shall rule with him after the marriage supper of the lamb on earth.

Zech. 6:12–13 he shall build the temple. The building of the restoration temple was promised to Zerubbabel (cf. 4:9–10). The building of this temple, promised to Messiah, points to the construction of the millennial temple (cf. Isa. 2:2–4; Ezek. 40–43; Hag. 2:6–9).



Yes this is true the world is going to become more and more evil as we get close to Jacob’s trouble (7 year tribulation)
Jesus says;21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. (Matthew 24:21-22ESV)

So Jesus says before the tribulation comes the wars you are seeing and the bad things that are going on in the world that’s nothing compared to what will happen during Jacob’s trouble so as a Pre-millenialist i believe i will be raptured before Jacob’s trouble but i also believe before Jacob’s troube the world is going to progressively become worse and worse.

Because also finally the whole world will be uncreated( because of sin) as said in Peter and we shall have the ushering in of the New Heaven and the New Earth.

But something interesting is that after Jacob’s trouble we have the Second coming and then the establishment of the 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth which will be a time of peace since the Prince of Peace will be ruling as prophecied.

3 And his delight shall be in the fear of the LORD. He shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide disputes by what his ears hear,
4 but with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall kill the wicked. (Isaiah 11:3-5 ESV)

SATAN WILL ALSO BE BOUND DURING THIS TIME FOR 1000 YEARS THAT REALLY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD



(To be continued........)

Thaddeus

This is the continuation Kyle

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5. The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).
Jesus never ruled as King, nor have all Jews embraced the commandments of G-d’s Torah.

6. The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9). This, as well, has not yet taken place and we await its fulfillment.

Yeah it is true in accordance with the timeline but also to add now and at a future time Christ rules

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Again I may be in error, but I do not see anyplace in the prophecy of the Messiah an installment plan. I don’t think that concept was part of our forefather’s philosophy. 

These are some few fore fathers who believed in Pre-millenialism:

Justin Martyr and Irenaeus[edit]
Justin Martyr in the 2nd century was one of the first Christian writers to clearly describe himself as continuing in the “Jewish” belief of a temporary messianic kingdom prior to the eternal state. According to Johannes Quasten, “In his eschatological ideas Justin shares the views of the Chiliasts concerning the millennium.”[3] He maintains a premillennial distinction, namely that there would be two resurrections, one of believers before Jesus' reign and then a general resurrection afterwards. Justin wrote in chapter 80 of his work Dialogue with Trypho, “I and others who are right-minded Christians on all points are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built... For Isaiah spoke in that manner concerning this period of a thousand years.” Though he conceded earlier in the same chapter that his view was not universal by saying that he “and many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise.” [4]


St. Irenaeus (c. 130–202), an early Christian Premillennialist.
Irenaeus, the late 2nd century bishop of Lyon, was an outspoken premillennialist. He is best known for his voluminous tome written against the 2nd century Gnostic threat, commonly called Against Heresies. In the fifth book of Against Heresies, Irenaeus concentrates primarily on eschatology. In one passage he defends premillennialism by arguing that a future earthly kingdom is necessary because of God's promise to Abraham, he wrote “The promise remains steadfast... God promised him the inheritance of the land. Yet, Abraham did not receive it during all the time of his journey there. Accordingly, it must be that Abraham, together with his seed (that is, those who fear God and believe in Him), will receive it at the resurrection of the just.”[5] In another place Irenaeus also explained that the blessing to Jacob “belongs unquestionably to the times of the kingdom when the righteous will bear rule, after their rising from the dead. It is also the time when the creation will bear fruit with an abundance of all kinds of food, having been renovated and set free... And all of the animals will feed on the vegetation of the earth... and they will be in perfect submission to man. And these things are borne witness to in the fourth book of the writings of Papias, the hearer of John, and a companion of Polycarp.” (5.33.3) Apparently Irenaeus also held to the sexta-/septamillennial scheme writing that the end of human history will occur after the 6,000th year


This is just my opinion, but is not the notion of a “second coming doctrine” an admission that Jesus did not fulfill the Messianic criteria? 

This is how i would explain the Messianic Criteria:
10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully,
11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.
12 It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look. (1 Peter 1:10-12 ESV)

1 Pet. 1:10 this salvation. In this section, Peter looks at the greatness of salvation from the viewpoint of the divine agents who made it possible: 1) OT prophets (vv. 10–11); 2) the Holy Spirit (vv. 11–12); 3) the NT apostles (v. 12); and 4) the angels (v. 12). grace that was to be. God is by nature gracious and was so, even under the conditional Old Covenant (cf. Ex. 33:19; Jonah 4:2). But the prophets foretold an even greater exhibit of grace than what they had ever known (Isa. 45:20–25; 52:14–15; 55:1–7; 61:1–3; cf. Rom. 9:24–33; 10:11; 13; 20; 15:9–21). searched and inquired carefully. The OT prophets studied their own writings in order to know more about the promised salvation. Though they believed and were personally saved from their sin by that faith (through the sacrifice God would provide in Christ), they could not fully understand what was involved in the life and death of Jesus Christ (cf. Num. 24:17; Heb. 11:13; 39–40).

1 Pet. 1:11 what person or time. “Who would be the person?” and “When would he come?” were the questions the OT prophets searched to know. Spirit of Christ in them. Jesus Christ, in the person of the Holy Spirit, took up residence within the writers of the OT, enabling them to write about the glorious salvation to be consummated in the future (2 Pet. 1:19–21).

1 Pet. 1:12 serving not themselves but you. The OT prophets who wrote of the coming of salvation (vv. 10–11) knew it was a future Savior who would come, and thus they were really writing for those who are on this side of the cross. those who preached the good news. The NT apostles and preachers of the gospel had the privilege of proclaiming that the prophecies written by the OT prophets had come to pass (cf. 2 Cor. 6:1–2).



Again, no disrespect...just questions.

Oh yeah i am so glad to interact on this platform and i have really learnt alot

Thanks Kyle for sharing.

(MOST OF THE EXGESIS IS FROM THE JOHN MAC ARTHUR STUDY BIBLE)

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Another educated post. Many thanks.

So, let us get to it.

Mary can we justify Jesus as the Messiah through her? Tribal lineage is traced only through a person’s father, never the mother. This principle is clearly stated in the Torah: "And on the first day of the second month, they assembled the whole congregation together, who registered themselves by families, by their fathers’ houses, according to the number of names from twenty years old and upward, head by head." Numbers 1:18

Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ alleged lineage to King David. For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded. As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification. Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone. Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David. Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus. The Book of John contains no infancy narrative. Coupled with that, nowhere in the third Gospel, or in the entire New Testament, for that matter, is there a claim that Mary was a descendant of the House of David. On the contrary, Luke plainly asserts that it is Joseph who was from the House of David, not Mary.
"To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary." Luke 1:27

While we are into the book of Luke, he writes that Mary was the cousin of Elizabeth, who he says was a descendant of Aaron the high priest, placing her in the tribe of Levi, not David’s tribe of Judah. Moreover, in Luke 2:4, the author writes that the reason it was necessary for Joseph and Mary to return to Bethlehem was because it was Joseph, not Mary, who was from the House of David. "And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David.)"

“You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”(Isaiah 43:10-11)
“I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God… I will strengthen you…I order that they know from the shining of the sun and from the west that there is no one besides Me; I am the Lord and there is no other!” (Isaiah 45:5-6)

More to come as I try to digest and vet your comment.

Please keep posting, I enjoy your work and it is a rich diet of food for thought!

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You are not in error. No offense to anyone's faith.