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Mar 3, 2020 19:43:04   #
saltwind78
 
Hello guys, As I may have mentioned in the past, I used to teach in a Maryland state school for seriously disturbed kids, grades 9-12. I worked with many social workers. clinical psychologists, and psychiatrists. I recently read an article on how to recognize people with sociopathic personality disorder. There are six signs of this disorder. The first is a poor fear response. Sociopaths are pretty much fearless. Fear is an important factor in committing serious crimes . Most of us would never commit a crime because we fear the consequences of such an act. Sociopaths have no fear of consequences. The second is lack of empathy. Sociopaths don't feel sorry for their victims or anybody else. The third is extreme egotism. They feel that the world revolves around them. Number four is manipulative behavior. Sociopaths are expert manipulators. the fifth sign is impulsiveness. If they feel like doing something harmful to others, they will, and finally number six is being callous. They simply don't care about the welfare of others. I asked these mental health professionals if they thought that Trump could be a sociopath since he seems to me to have all these qualities in spades. They all agreed that my diagnosis was spot on! I don't know if you think that Trump fits this description or not, but it scares the hell out of me. If my former coworkers and I are right, the President of the United States with all the power of his office and his finger on the nuclear button is a sociopath.

Mar 3, 2020 20:37:10   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
saltwind78 wrote:
Hello guys, As I may have mentioned in the past, I used to teach in a Maryland state school for seriously disturbed kids, grades 9-12. I worked with many social workers. clinical psychologists, and psychiatrists. I recently read an article on how to recognize people with sociopathic personality disorder. There are six signs of this disorder. The first is a poor fear response. Sociopaths are pretty much fearless. Fear is an important factor in committing serious crimes . Most of us would never commit a crime because we fear the consequences of such an act. Sociopaths have no fear of consequences. The second is lack of empathy. Sociopaths don't feel sorry for their victims or anybody else. The third is extreme egotism. They feel that the world revolves around them. Number four is manipulative behavior. Sociopaths are expert manipulators. the fifth sign is impulsiveness. If they feel like doing something harmful to others, they will, and finally number six is being callous. They simply don't care about the welfare of others. I asked these mental health professionals if they thought that Trump could be a sociopath since he seems to me to have all these qualities in spades. They all agreed that my diagnosis was spot on! I don't know if you think that Trump fits this description or not, but it scares the hell out of me. If my former coworkers and I are right, the President of the United States with all the power of his office and his finger on the nuclear button is a sociopath.
Hello guys, As I may have mentioned in the past, I... (show quote)


So? They're everywhere.
And, I don't see how you could reach this conclusion without ANY personal interaction with the person you are diagnosing.

Mar 3, 2020 21:37:52   #
saltwind78
 
He fits all the signs. Impulsivity, Just read his tweets. callous, he didn't give a rats ass about the separating children from their parents that tried to enter the country from the Southern border, impulsiveness Do you remember the way he got in back of Hillary Clinton in the debates? How about firing all those people from the White House that weren't personally loyal to him? Lots of other examples. callous, just ask the Kurds if you could examine the knife in their backs, egocentric, He actually claimed to be " the chosen one ", and a stable genius without even releasing his grades in graduate school. lack of empathy, remember the guy he fired a day or two before his retirement date? manipulative, He manipulates everyone around him. I seem to remember a round table discussion with his cabinet about how wonderful he is. fearless, He never feared his political opponents no matter his actions and/ or lies. He never feared the consequences of the constant scandals that plague his history before and after his becoming President. Another sign is a lack of remorse. When is the last time you heard of him apologizing for anything? Diagnosing personality disorders is easy for anybody with experience dealing with them, curing personality disorders is impossible.

 
 
Mar 3, 2020 22:22:44   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
saltwind78 wrote:
He fits all the signs. Impulsivity, Just read his tweets. callous, he didn't give a rats ass about the separating children from their parents that tried to enter the country from the Southern border, impulsiveness Do you remember the way he got in back of Hillary Clinton in the debates? How about firing all those people from the White House that weren't personally loyal to him? Lots of other examples. callous, just ask the Kurds if you could examine the knife in their backs, egocentric, He actually claimed to be " the chosen one ", and a stable genius without even releasing his grades in graduate school. lack of empathy, remember the guy he fired a day or two before his retirement date? manipulative, He manipulates everyone around him. I seem to remember a round table discussion with his cabinet about how wonderful he is. fearless, He never feared his political opponents no matter his actions and/ or lies. He never feared the consequences of the constant scandals that plague his history before and after his becoming President. Another sign is a lack of remorse. When is the last time you heard of him apologizing for anything? Diagnosing personality disorders is easy for anybody with experience dealing with them, curing personality disorders is impossible.
He fits all the signs. Impulsivity, Just read his ... (show quote)


Just from reading this post, I can see that I'm talking to a biased, easily influenced person.

An open mind is a rare thing these days.

Mar 4, 2020 06:02:56   #
American Vet
 
saltwind78 wrote:
Hello guys, As I may have mentioned in the past, I used to teach in a Maryland state school for seriously disturbed kids, grades 9-12. I worked with many social workers. clinical psychologists, and psychiatrists. I recently read an article on how to recognize people with sociopathic personality disorder. There are six signs of this disorder. The first is a poor fear response. Sociopaths are pretty much fearless. Fear is an important factor in committing serious crimes . Most of us would never commit a crime because we fear the consequences of such an act. Sociopaths have no fear of consequences. The second is lack of empathy. Sociopaths don't feel sorry for their victims or anybody else. The third is extreme egotism. They feel that the world revolves around them. Number four is manipulative behavior. Sociopaths are expert manipulators. the fifth sign is impulsiveness. If they feel like doing something harmful to others, they will, and finally number six is being callous. They simply don't care about the welfare of others. I asked these mental health professionals if they thought that Trump could be a sociopath since he seems to me to have all these qualities in spades. They all agreed that my diagnosis was spot on! I don't know if you think that Trump fits this description or not, but it scares the hell out of me. If my former coworkers and I are right, the President of the United States with all the power of his office and his finger on the nuclear button is a sociopath.
Hello guys, As I may have mentioned in the past, I... (show quote)


I'd say you just described the democratic candidates as well....and the terrible president we had for the previous administration.

Looks like a common thread amongst politicians.

Mar 4, 2020 09:25:31   #
rafterman Loc: South Florida
 
saltwind78 wrote:
Hello guys, As I may have mentioned in the past, I used to teach in a Maryland state school for seriously disturbed kids, grades 9-12. I worked with many social workers. clinical psychologists, and psychiatrists. I recently read an article on how to recognize people with sociopathic personality disorder. There are six signs of this disorder. The first is a poor fear response. Sociopaths are pretty much fearless. Fear is an important factor in committing serious crimes . Most of us would never commit a crime because we fear the consequences of such an act. Sociopaths have no fear of consequences. The second is lack of empathy. Sociopaths don't feel sorry for their victims or anybody else. The third is extreme egotism. They feel that the world revolves around them. Number four is manipulative behavior. Sociopaths are expert manipulators. the fifth sign is impulsiveness. If they feel like doing something harmful to others, they will, and finally number six is being callous. They simply don't care about the welfare of others. I asked these mental health professionals if they thought that Trump could be a sociopath since he seems to me to have all these qualities in spades. They all agreed that my diagnosis was spot on! I don't know if you think that Trump fits this description or not, but it scares the hell out of me. If my former coworkers and I are right, the President of the United States with all the power of his office and his finger on the nuclear button is a sociopath.
Hello guys, As I may have mentioned in the past, I... (show quote)


Of your six signs of sociopathic personality disorder that you described, could you give an example of each that Trump has displayed. For example, for poor fear response, I’d say when he stared down the little dictator of NOK or when he cancelled the attack on Iran when it was 10 minutes from execution were fearless. I don’t think he was afraid that what he did was going to fail; so is that poor fear response?

For the second, lack of empathy. I think President Trump has shown a lot of empathy for victims of hurricanes, earthquakes, and other similar natural disasters. He has also shown empathy for people who were incarcerated with unjust long sentences (law change, pardons).

I don’t think President Trump believes the world evolves around him, however, I think he understands the power our country has on the world stage regarding our military and economic power. I believe that he displays a total powerful personality which might be confused for people thinking that he believes the world evolves around him. It also leads people to think he is a manipulator, which he is and has to be when dealing with world leaders. AND, what the hell do you think a successful businessman does? What do you think an employer/employee relationship is, i.e., Doesn’t your boss manipulate you? Haven’t you ever manipulated your boss?

I can give you a thumbs up on this one. His tweets are sometime impulsive, however, give me an example of what you think his impulsive actions have been. Firing Comey? Telling NATO members to start paying their fair share? I’m really at a loss trying to come up with a situation (other than tweets) that he has acted in an impulsive way that has hurt the country.

Now on callous, you are totally wrong. When has he displayed any callousness toward others? So, what has he done, laughed at his someone’s poetry or poor golf stroke? OOPs, he called a few country's "shit holes", yes. But some of them are shit holes. I've been to a couple and understand where he's coming from. To say the places were "shit holes" is impulsive and fearless. OOPs, good gravy, here we go agian again - he displayed two sociopathic behaviors in one action. Oh, you are going to say "He separated children from their parents" at the southern border and placed the immigrants in cages. I guess that he got so much criticism for the separation, by executive order he stopped it. But before signing the executive order, that was the law that even Crown Prince Obama enforced during his time in the oval office; plus, the pictures shown of immigrants inside cages were from 2014. To my recollection President Obama was never called callous for he same behavior that President Trump has displayed.

With respect to “his finger on the nuclear button”, every president since Truman has been evaluated by amateurs and professionals alike with varying opinions. I can’t give you all the statistics, but I’m sure all have had opinions about them that were not favorable in this area. Nobody can predict with any certainty, not even you, what any of them would have done or what Trump will do.

I looked at and analyzed the personality and behavior of a couple of my friends and neighbors (and reviewed my own as well) and found out that all are seemingly exactly like the person you described to be sociopaths. If I had the opportunity to describe and ask the same mental health professionals you asked “if they thought that my friends and neighbor could be a sociopath since they seems to me to have all these qualities in spades”, they would also all agree they fit your diagnosis of “spot on” as in very similar to Trumps.

I think all of us to some degree or another have faults in six of the areas you described, and at some time in our lives have displayed the behavior in some fashion or another. (One time, I made fun of a little red haired girl with huge freckles and pigtails. Plus, I even called the song my music teacher wrote "a horrible mess". I had such a huge ego, I never apologized to either of them. Oh, I was such an insensitive, fearless, land callous kid. Plus, as I grew up, I gained a total lack of empathy toward them.) You, however, seem to have loads of TDS.

Mar 4, 2020 09:43:15   #
saltwind78
 
Archie, I freely admit that I am an old fashioned FDR-JFK liberal. I also admit that I would not vote for a conservative unless I believe that the person running against the conservative was unfit for office. Having said that, my strong opposition to Trump has nothing to do with his ideology. It has to do with his outrageous and sometimes criminal behavior. As far as I can tell, Trump is no conservative, he is a populist. He also reminds me of fascism. I have lived through administrations that were conservative before, and no doubt will again. I have never been this opposed to a President before. If Trump were a Democrat, I would still call for his defeat in an election,or removal from office. It's all about his behavior, not politics. I consider most of his supporters to be Trump cultists, because I can not justify his Presidency on the basis of his behavior.

 
 
Mar 4, 2020 11:33:49   #
rafterman Loc: South Florida
 
saltwind78 wrote:
Archie, I freely admit that I am an old fashioned FDR-JFK liberal. I also admit that I would not vote for a conservative unless I believe that the person running against the conservative was unfit for office. Having said that, my strong opposition to Trump has nothing to do with his ideology. It has to do with his outrageous and sometimes criminal behavior. As far as I can tell, Trump is no conservative, he is a populist. He also reminds me of fascism. I have lived through administrations that were conservative before, and no doubt will again. I have never been this opposed to a President before. If Trump were a Democrat, I would still call for his defeat in an election,or removal from office. It's all about his behavior, not politics. I consider most of his supporters to be Trump cultists, because I can not justify his Presidency on the basis of his behavior.
Archie, I freely admit that I am an old fashioned ... (show quote)


Although you directed this to Archie, I feel compelled to comment on your post. Congrats on you being a old fashioned FDR-JFK liberal. Although I would never be one myself, at least both those gentlemen could articulate and communicate their ideas - and do so with a respectful understanding of "the other side". Now I know, or at least believe, both men sometimes were so angered by Conservative/Republican viewpoints that they would scream and behind the scenes berate the notions from "the other side". But these "outbursts" were controlled and even though they may have been filled with VITRIOL and there was never any HATE.

Trump is not a Conservative as you noted. A populist could be one description, but I prefer calling him a realist who could, like a populist, be either a Conservative or Liberal. I would have voted for him if he were a Democrat in 2016 - and I have NEVER voted Democrat in any election since first eligible to vote in 1968. I voted for him because he made promises that I believed he would keep - whereas all the others he ran against had their chance/s in the past - AND NEVER DELIVERED. Moreover, I did not want an additional four more years of Crown Prince Obama type politics. Plus, clearly Hilary Clinton track record showed that she was a lousy Senator, a huge failure as Sec of State, and a poor strategist as she didn't know how to win an election (she forgot all about the Electoral College, whereas Trump understood that you have to appeal to ALL voters not just a select group - like the California, New York voters - to win a national election).

What the problem seems to be for you and other non-Trumper's is that your strong opposition to him (and I quote you) "has nothing to do with his ideology. It has to do with his outrageous and sometimes criminal behavior". That raises some questions. Does that mean you are in favor of his ideology and because he didn't act like Obama, Clinton, McCain, The Bushes, et al, you could not see your way to voting for him? You don't like his kick ass and take names style? You don't like his directness, his in your face attitude and demeanor? These are behaviors that made him successful (even after failures) and I thought long overdue behaviors he would transfer and implement in the oval office. He has done so magnificently.

Mar 4, 2020 15:24:47   #
saltwind78
 
Hey vet, I just don't see it. I've showed a few instances of how Trump fits the description of a sociopath. I could show a lot more. I don't remember any other POTUS, Democrat or Republican being anywhere near being a sociopath. Some may have a single symptom of sociopathic personality disorder, but Trump has displayed them all in spades. If you can point out how any other President is a sociopath, I'd sure love to hear about it. Be specific.

Mar 4, 2020 15:34:29   #
saltwind78
 
rafterman wrote:
Of your six signs of sociopathic personality disorder that you described, could you give an example of each that Trump has displayed. For example, for poor fear response, I’d say when he stared down the little dictator of NOK or when he cancelled the attack on Iran when it was 10 minutes from execution were fearless. I don’t think he was afraid that what he did was going to fail; so is that poor fear response?

For the second, lack of empathy. I think President Trump has shown a lot of empathy for victims of hurricanes, earthquakes, and other similar natural disasters. He has also shown empathy for people who were incarcerated with unjust long sentences (law change, pardons).

I don’t think President Trump believes the world evolves around him, however, I think he understands the power our country has on the world stage regarding our military and economic power. I believe that he displays a total powerful personality which might be confused for people thinking that he believes the world evolves around him. It also leads people to think he is a manipulator, which he is and has to be when dealing with world leaders. AND, what the hell do you think a successful businessman does? What do you think an employer/employee relationship is, i.e., Doesn’t your boss manipulate you? Haven’t you ever manipulated your boss?

I can give you a thumbs up on this one. His tweets are sometime impulsive, however, give me an example of what you think his impulsive actions have been. Firing Comey? Telling NATO members to start paying their fair share? I’m really at a loss trying to come up with a situation (other than tweets) that he has acted in an impulsive way that has hurt the country.

Now on callous, you are totally wrong. When has he displayed any callousness toward others? So, what has he done, laughed at his someone’s poetry or poor golf stroke? OOPs, he called a few country's "shit holes", yes. But some of them are shit holes. I've been to a couple and understand where he's coming from. To say the places were "shit holes" is impulsive and fearless. OOPs, good gravy, here we go agian again - he displayed two sociopathic behaviors in one action. Oh, you are going to say "He separated children from their parents" at the southern border and placed the immigrants in cages. I guess that he got so much criticism for the separation, by executive order he stopped it. But before signing the executive order, that was the law that even Crown Prince Obama enforced during his time in the oval office; plus, the pictures shown of immigrants inside cages were from 2014. To my recollection President Obama was never called callous for he same behavior that President Trump has displayed.

With respect to “his finger on the nuclear button”, every president since Truman has been evaluated by amateurs and professionals alike with varying opinions. I can’t give you all the statistics, but I’m sure all have had opinions about them that were not favorable in this area. Nobody can predict with any certainty, not even you, what any of them would have done or what Trump will do.

I looked at and analyzed the personality and behavior of a couple of my friends and neighbors (and reviewed my own as well) and found out that all are seemingly exactly like the person you described to be sociopaths. If I had the opportunity to describe and ask the same mental health professionals you asked “if they thought that my friends and neighbor could be a sociopath since they seems to me to have all these qualities in spades”, they would also all agree they fit your diagnosis of “spot on” as in very similar to Trumps.

I think all of us to some degree or another have faults in six of the areas you described, and at some time in our lives have displayed the behavior in some fashion or another. (One time, I made fun of a little red haired girl with huge freckles and pigtails. Plus, I even called the song my music teacher wrote "a horrible mess". I had such a huge ego, I never apologized to either of them. Oh, I was such an insensitive, fearless, land callous kid. Plus, as I grew up, I gained a total lack of empathy toward them.) You, however, seem to have loads of TDS.
Of your six signs of sociopathic personality disor... (show quote)


rafter man, I strongly disagree. I think that Trump believes that it's all about the Donald. He brings the term, narcissist to a whole new level. He has said at various times that he knows more about intelligence than the intel. community, more about nat'l defense than the generals, and more about climate change than the scientists. He says that he's a stable genius. As far as empathy is concerned, how about the people of Puerto Rico? I don't see that Donald Trump displays these qualities only once in a great while. It's constant all his life!

Mar 4, 2020 19:36:26   #
saltwind78
 
archie bunker wrote:
Just from reading this post, I can see that I'm talking to a biased, easily influenced person.

An open mind is a rare thing these days.


And I'm talking to a Trump cultist that refuses to see the truth!

 
 
Mar 4, 2020 23:01:14   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
saltwind78 wrote:
And I'm talking to a Trump cultist that refuses to see the truth!


I'm no cultist. I agree, the man is a dick. I've always thought so. I just don't buy psychoanalysts diagnosing people who they've never met, or talked to.

Mar 4, 2020 23:21:03   #
saltwind78
 
American Vet wrote:
I'd say you just described the democratic candidates as well....and the terrible president we had for the previous administration.

Looks like a common thread amongst politicians.


American, Whenever I talk about one or more of Trump's outrageous and/or criminal behaviors with a Trumper, I always get the answer, sounds like Obama to me. How many women claim that Obama sexually assault and even rape? How many times did Obama go bankrupt, and didn't try to repay his debts? How many times did Obama demand that everybody in his administration be personally loyal to him, not the constitution? According to fact checkers, how many times did Trump lie or purposely mislead the people of this nation? answer, well over 16,000 times in three years. Obama said things that turned out to be untrue, but nothing approaching Trump. How many times did Obama try to ruin peoples careers for disagreeing with him? I could go on and on, but you wouldn't recognize the clear truth if it bit you on the nose!Thats what I mean by calling Trumpers, cult members.

Mar 5, 2020 05:26:12   #
American Vet
 
saltwind78 wrote:
American, Whenever I talk about one or more of Trump's outrageous and/or criminal behaviors with a Trumper, I always get the answer, sounds like Obama to me. How many women claim that Obama sexually assault and even rape? How many times did Obama go bankrupt, and didn't try to repay his debts? How many times did Obama demand that everybody in his administration be personally loyal to him, not the constitution? According to fact checkers, how many times did Trump lie or purposely mislead the people of this nation? answer, well over 16,000 times in three years. Obama said things that turned out to be untrue, but nothing approaching Trump. How many times did Obama try to ruin peoples careers for disagreeing with him? I could go on and on, but you wouldn't recognize the clear truth if it bit you on the nose!Thats what I mean by calling Trumpers, cult members.
American, Whenever I talk about one or more of Tru... (show quote)


I keep hearing about 'criminal behaviors' from all the TDS crowd. schiff and company failed to produce anything after all that time spent 'investigating'. Even after schiff said, numerous times, he had incontrovertible proof. End result - nothing.

And he was a playboy - and rich - and ALLEGATIONS abound with that.

obama never went bankrupt because he never worked....in the public sector. There's a pretty strong argument he never worked - period. Putting a company into bankruptcy is a common business tactic. And businesses routinely contest charges made against them.

He has every right to expect people working for him to be loyal to him. That does not preclude being loyal to other obligations as well - nor does it mean they should protect any 'criminal' activity. This is an issue that liberals are simply using as a form of attack.

Yes, you can go on and on - and surely will - for you are as you accuse others - a cult member.

Mar 6, 2020 09:32:06   #
saltwind78
 
archie bunker wrote:
So? They're everywhere.
And, I don't see how you could reach this conclusion without ANY personal interaction with the person you are diagnosing.


I find your comment " so they're everywhere" shocking. Nobody wants a POTUS TO BE A SOCIOPATH.

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