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Feb 20, 2020 06:44:58   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
In my last thread I asked --Is a childs stomach unimportant-- and I got answers that pertained to adults and their responsibilities. So tell me how much worse you are doing financially because a child of a lesser social status is fed a government supplied lunch. Is the economic burden of feeding the children of the poor preventing you from eating well yourselves?

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Feb 20, 2020 07:00:39   #
Kevyn
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
In my last thread I asked --Is a childs stomach unimportant-- and I got answers that pertained to adults and their responsibilities. So tell me how much worse you are doing financially because a child of a lesser social status is fed a government supplied lunch. Is the economic burden of feeding the children of the poor preventing you from eating well yourselves?

If the F22 fighter program was scrapped we could fund college undergrad education for every American who wanted to earn a degree and school lunches for the 22% of American children living in poverty with the money we saved. Sounds like a damn good trade off to me.

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Feb 20, 2020 07:09:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Kevyn wrote:
If the F22 fighter program was scrapped we could fund college undergrad education for every American who wanted to earn a degree and school lunches for the 22% of American children living in poverty with the money we saved. Sounds like a damn good trade off to me.


How much are those things costing

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Feb 20, 2020 07:09:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
In my last thread I asked --Is a childs stomach unimportant-- and I got answers that pertained to adults and their responsibilities. So tell me how much worse you are doing financially because a child of a lesser social status is fed a government supplied lunch. Is the economic burden of feeding the children of the poor preventing you from eating well yourselves?


No....

And that was never brought up on your last thread...

How tax dollars are spent is everyone's concern...

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Feb 20, 2020 07:23:29   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How much are those things costing




About 150 million.....the raptor program has been around a long time....me thinks he meant the F-35 program...which is at about 300 million, those costs will drop exponentially with just production.

What most fail to consider in the cost for a new design is the billions spent to build the production facilities, the new office housing for engineers, training and fueling, special hangars, new tooling etc, etc, etc, all that cost is wrapped into production until everything is in place...and this is a JSF, so several other nations are involved, we build and pay for most of their infrastructure to build the components they are responsible for.

I predict the F-35 will be about 160 to 180 million per unit, depending on which of the 3 different models is being produced.

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Feb 20, 2020 07:34:03   #
American Vet
 
Kevyn wrote:
If the F22 fighter program was scrapped we could fund college undergrad education for every American who wanted to earn a degree and school lunches for the 22% of American children living in poverty with the money we saved. Sounds like a damn good trade off to me.


Of course it sounds like a good trade to you: You aren't too bright.

You might do some research before you go promoting something. Funding College Education has major problems:

The t***h is that free college in Europe is no success story. Rather, it should serve as a cautionary tale for the United States.https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article86282967.html


The t***h is that free college in Europe is no success story. Rather, it should serve as a cautionary tale for the United States.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/01/17/europe-has-free-college-heres-how-its-working-out/

No, College Is Not “Free” in Europe – It’s Expensive and Broken
https://learnbasiceconomics.com/college-is-not-truly-free-in-europe-its-expensive-and-broken/

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Feb 20, 2020 07:41:37   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
How much are those things costing


Well since they don’t make them anymore one can only assume he’s talking about maintenance or modifications required to deal with the g force impact and lack of oxygen of the pilots..? They ultimately fixed that too so other than its cost to fly don’t know what he’s talking about..The Department of Defense decided to end F-22 production at 187 aircraft in April 2009. The Air Force received the last F-22 in 2012... Bush started the process and BO ended it..

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Feb 20, 2020 07:49:56   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lindajoy wrote:
Well since they don’t make them anymore one can only assume he’s talking about maintenance or modifications required to deal with the g force impact and lack of oxygen of the pilots..? They ultimately fixed that too so other than its cost to fly don’t know what he’s talking about..The Department of Defense decided to end F-22 production at 187 aircraft in April 2009. The Air Force received the last F-22 in 2012... Bush started the process and BO ended it..


Hmmm...

Kevyn does make a point concerning student debt...

Perhaps more resources could be put into scholarships.... I prefer those to student loans... Reward the people who put the effort in...

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Feb 20, 2020 07:52:03   #
American Vet
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hmmm...

Kevyn does make a point concerning student debt...

Perhaps more resources could be put into scholarships.... I prefer those to student loans... Reward the people who put the effort in...


Please review my comments about 'free college'.

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Feb 20, 2020 07:54:23   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
About 150 million.....the raptor program has been around a long time....me thinks he meant the F-35 program...which is at about 300 million, those costs will drop exponentially with just production.

What most fail to consider in the cost for a new design is the billions spent to build the production facilities, the new office housing for engineers, training and fueling, special hangars, new tooling etc, etc, etc, all that cost is wrapped into production until everything is in place...and this is a JSF, so several other nations are involved, we build and pay for most of their infrastructure to build the components they are responsible for.

I predict the F-35 will be about 160 to 180 million per unit, depending on which of the 3 different models is being produced.
About 150 million.....the raptor program has been ... (show quote)


I remember reading about the F35 and Trump saying if the price wasn't dropped significantly he'd scrap it.. it said Boeing was in hot competition and reductions could be made.~~ lolol I bet.~~

It also said the F-35 can’t match the F-22 as an air superiority fighter as it was never designed as such. The F~22 its high~end air fighter while the F~35 was designed to be primarily an air~to~ground strike aircraft, that could definitely defend itself...??

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Feb 20, 2020 08:01:45   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hmmm...

Kevyn does make a point concerning student debt...

Perhaps more resources could be put into scholarships.... I prefer those to student loans... Reward the people who put the effort in...


“Some” do get up to a full scholarship being rewarded for outstanding grades and want of the university.~~Emphasis on some, small % for sure..

Student debt astronomical and more control of the University charges need to be considered too!!! Federal funding a joke~~

Paying just for the name of the school you attend is as bad!!

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Feb 20, 2020 08:03:26   #
Kevyn
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
About 150 million.....the raptor program has been around a long time....me thinks he meant the F-35 program...which is at about 300 million, those costs will drop exponentially with just production.

What most fail to consider in the cost for a new design is the billions spent to build the production facilities, the new office housing for engineers, training and fueling, special hangars, new tooling etc, etc, etc, all that cost is wrapped into production until everything is in place...and this is a JSF, so several other nations are involved, we build and pay for most of their infrastructure to build the components they are responsible for.

I predict the F-35 will be about 160 to 180 million per unit, depending on which of the 3 different models is being produced.
About 150 million.....the raptor program has been ... (show quote)

I made a mistake, I intended to suggest the way over budget f 35 program be scrapped not the f 22

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Feb 20, 2020 08:07:18   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
American Vet wrote:
Please review my comments about 'free college'.


I'm not talking about free college...

I'm stating that scholarships targetted at certain majors and provided as rewards to students who put in the effort make sense...

Far more than student loans...

Requiring an aspiring medical student, engineer, or commuter analyst to keep an A average in order to receive a scholarship doesn't seem like a bad idea...

Providing student loans for any major the student wishes is i***tic...

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Feb 20, 2020 08:08:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
lindajoy wrote:
“Some” do get up to a full scholarship being rewarded for outstanding grades and want of the university.~~Emphasis on some, small % for sure..

Student debt astronomical and more control of the University charges need to be considered too!!! Federal funding a joke~~

Paying just for the name of the school you attend is as bad!!


There are of course scholarships available... But there could be more... Almost an automatic for certain majors would be preferable...

It would help to attract student to that major...

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Feb 20, 2020 08:11:42   #
American Vet
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I'm not talking about free college...

I'm stating that scholarships targetted at certain majors and provided as rewards to students who put in the effort make sense...

Far more than student loans...

Requiring an aspiring medical student, engineer, or commuter analyst to keep an A average in order to receive a scholarship doesn't seem like a bad idea...

Providing student loans for any major the student wishes is i***tic...


Apologies: I misunderstood your comments.

You are saying exactly what I have been for a long time. Except I would substitute a 'payback' provision of service of some sort - whether a military obligation or public service.

If you want a degree in 'journalism', 'g****r studies', or 'ancient Phoenician art', you pay for it yourself.

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