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E******n F***d in a P**********l E******n in the US in 2008 according to the jury
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Apr 29, 2013 05:31:50   #
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/346855/e******n-f***d-p**********l-campaign

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Apr 29, 2013 07:13:58   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
I have no doubt this bit of t***h will also be swept under the political rug by both major parties and the entire media. Things like this just make too much trouble for the ptb who are busy golfing, drinking, whoring, and otherwise too occupied to deal with the biggest scandal to reach American ears. I can hear them now, "So.....it may be true. It simply is not worth the time and money to get to the bottom of this because the democrats will never touch him and the media will protect him to the nth degree." SO VERY TRUE. SO DO IT ANYWAY AND LET THE DEMS SOAK UP SOME VITRIOL WITHIN THE NATION. The Democrat Party ran a s**m on the American public because IT KNEW IT COULD AND IT KNEW NO ONE WOULD STOP THEM.

NOW WE ALL KNOW how much our government is willing to protect its citizens. IT WON'T EVEN SPEAK FOR US, LET ALONE RISK SOMETHING. I've said dozens of times on dozens of articles and threads that we no longer have a constitutional OR a representative government - therefore WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR SUCH AND WHY ARE WE OBEYING OPPRESSIVE LAWS THAT ARE IN REALITY UNCONSTITUTIONAL? THE SUPREME COURT MAY BE TOO TAINTED AND TOO CORRUPT TO CALL A SPADE A SPADE, BUT WE CITIZENS ARE NOT TOO CORRUPT. WE WANT A TRIAL, AND WOULD PREFER IT BE BROUGHT BY OUR GOVERNMENT, BUT IT OUR GOVERNMENT WON'T DO THAT, I INSIST CITIZENS SHOULD HOLD A CITIZENS' COURT HEARING, WITH TV CAMERAS RUNNING. IF WE CITIZENS FIND GUILT, WHO IN THIS SHAM GOVERNMENT COULD POSSIBLY PREVENT US FROM TAKING ACTION? AND WHY SHOULD WE CARE WHAT THIS SHAM GOVERNMENT THINKS, SAYS, OR DOES?

We citizens signed on for a constitutional representative government, and merely CALLING a government while using it in another way, does not MAKE a constitutional representative government. I believe a trial could prove that we owe NO allegiance to this government or anyone within it. Our government has been hi-jacked. That should not be the equivalent as the entire citizenry and their capital could also be hi-jacked. If we allow it, the onus is on us.

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Apr 29, 2013 08:40:54   #
weneedrubio
 
Come on, we all know there is no v***r f***d in American e******ns. There's plenty of flat out c***ting though and it appears that every one of Obama's e******ns provided us with examples. Our president is as dishonest as it gets.

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Apr 29, 2013 08:50:50   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
weneedrubio wrote:
Come on, we all know there is no v***r f***d in American e******ns. There's plenty of flat out c***ting though and it appears that every one of Obama's e******ns provided us with examples. Our president is as dishonest as it gets.

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He and everybody he surrounds himself with. NONE of them has even a bare minimum of integrity or honesty. Given the President's background and his childhood, it is no wonder he doesn't know right from wrong. His genes are totally screwed up and he doesn't even know who his father is nor where he, himself, was born. And crime has paid so well for him, that he isn't about to abandon it now!!!

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Apr 29, 2013 08:53:38   #
weneedrubio
 
Agreed and that is why a constitutional convention is the only way. None of our politicians all the way down to city council have any balls to face our real issues. They would rather see the country fail then admit they are wrong.

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Apr 29, 2013 09:09:43   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
weneedrubio wrote:
Agreed and that is why a constitutional convention is the only way. None of our politicians all the way down to city council have any balls to face our real issues. They would rather see the country fail then admit they are wrong.

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I understand your mentioning the constitutional convention, but I would h**e to have one occur. Too inundated with politicians. Too much graft, too much obstruction, too much money to buy all that the left wants. A constitutional convention will end with our Bill of Rights being totally removed. I would fight that to the end. I believe that NOW is the worst time in the history of the nation to even THINK about constitutional convention. I agree with you that no guts exist in politics today, and tomorrow there won't be either. We need a do-over, starting by using the Bill of Rights as THE CONSTITUTION, and going from there. And it needs doing by we, the people, for a nice change.

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Apr 29, 2013 10:09:03   #
Cedarstrip Loc: Michigan
 
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As Hillary would say, "What difference does it make?"

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Apr 29, 2013 10:24:38   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Tasine wrote:
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I understand your mentioning the constitutional convention, but I would h**e to have one occur. Too inundated with politicians. Too much graft, too much obstruction, too much money to buy all that the left wants. A constitutional convention will end with our Bill of Rights being totally removed. I would fight that to the end. I believe that NOW is the worst time in the history of the nation to even THINK about constitutional convention. I agree with you that no guts exist in politics today, and tomorrow there won't be either. We need a do-over, starting by using the Bill of Rights as THE CONSTITUTION, and going from there. And it needs doing by we, the people, for a nice change.
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So... Keep the Amendments, but get rid of the Constitution?

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Apr 29, 2013 10:36:42   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
So... Keep the Amendments, but get rid of the Constitution?

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Golly. I didn't know that's what I said. Did I say that? I KNOW you can read, but you choose to alter what you read. Why?

What I WILL SAY FOR THE RECORD IS THIS:

The United States of America could do quite well if we lived solely by the Bill of Rights, with some management arranged for taking care of infrastructure, military, and foreign affairs. We need NO federal law enforcement, NO federal courts, NO federal anything actually except taking care of exactly what I stated and LEAVING CITIZENS ALONE. The federal government has no cause to prey on individual citizens or individual businesses. States can do the necessary things re quality control, and that is ALL THAT IS NEEDED.

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Apr 29, 2013 15:05:36   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
weneedrubio wrote:
Agreed and that is why a constitutional convention is the only way. None of our politicians all the way down to city council have any balls to face our real issues. They would rather see the country fail then admit they are wrong.


Do you know what happened the last time this country called a Constitutional Convention? I remember reading Madison's book about that convention and think I found in there somewhere that the first thing they did was to select George Washington to be the president of the convention and the next thing they decided to do was to throw out the Articles of Confederation and write a new constitution. Now we have so many people wanting to try that one again. OK, lets say we do it, now who decides who the representatives will be at it? How do we know who is progressive and who isn't? I don't want to see progressives outnumber others but what happens if they do?

Think of some of the Republicans who have turned out to be progressive in thought. McCain, Graham, and even Rubio when he is talking about immigration. He is one of the Gang of Eight who is pushing their pile of Pelosi, isn't he?

You can't trust that majority to progressives or Muslims, so who decides who is going to it.

It is past time for people to stop thinking about a Constitutional Convention since what we have worked so well for so long but has been failing because of the people running things under it.

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Apr 29, 2013 15:37:10   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Tasine wrote:
We need a do-over, starting by using the Bill of Rights as THE CONSTITUTION, and going from there. And it needs doing by we, the people, for a nice change.


I'm sorry. What do you think "using the Bill of Rights as THE CONSTITUTION" means?

I think it means what it says.

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Apr 29, 2013 16:37:11   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
I'm sorry. What do you think "using the Bill of Rights as THE CONSTITUTION" means?

I think it means what it says.

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Answering because I know you hang on my every word, and so desperately want to UNDERSTAND what I said. What I said is "starting by using the Bill of Rights as THE CONSTITUTION, and going from there." For those in the gallery who do not understand the term "going from there", it means that one starts with the Bill of Rights and builds as necessary from there. Not a foreign concept, but obviously not obvious to the howlers who are so persnickety that everyone on the right absolutely stays within the Constitution, while THEY on the left rip it to shreds. What I want is one that "lawyers" like Obama cannot find a way to circumvent. "lawyer" lol ! In a pigs eye!

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Apr 29, 2013 17:56:45   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Tasine wrote:
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Answering because I know you hang on my every word, and so desperately want to UNDERSTAND what I said. What I said is "starting by using the Bill of Rights as THE CONSTITUTION, and going from there." For those in the gallery who do not understand the term "going from there", it means that one starts with the Bill of Rights and builds as necessary from there. Not a foreign concept, but obviously not obvious to the howlers who are so persnickety that everyone on the right absolutely stays within the Constitution, while THEY on the left rip it to shreds. What I want is one that "lawyers" like Obama cannot find a way to circumvent. "lawyer" lol ! In a pigs eye!
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Yes, I do hang upon your every utterance. It may be more correct to say: I get hung-up on every word you say.

So my assessment was correct, you wish to keep the first ten amendments and get rid of the constitution. I have always thought the Bill of Rights, unnecessary and misleading. You think it should be the embodiment of our governance, as opposed to an appendage to it.

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Apr 29, 2013 18:05:07   #
Cedarstrip Loc: Michigan
 
weneedrubio wrote:
Agreed and that is why a constitutional convention is the only way. None of our politicians all the way down to city council have any balls to face our real issues. They would rather see the country fail then admit they are wrong.


Gee, do you think we could write a new constitution as good as the Affordable Health Care Act? The French have tried several times and never really got a good one. The guys that wrote our Constitution were a very unique group. They understood the frailties of human nature, the corrupting influences of power and money. They also knew the histories of various governments going back to ancient Greek and Roman times. They had thirteen examples of representative government with many years of first hand experience. They also understood the existing European governments with their good and bad points. They knew how laws were written and adjudicated in various countries.

Sure there were problems with parts of it, s***ery being the most obvious. Most of them knew it had to go away. It was already losing economic viability and they thought it would fade away. That was before cotton became the main crop of the south.

The main problem we have now is not with the Constitution, but structures that have been devised to work around it. We don't really have a government "by the people" any more. That is because of all the federal agencies that operate with little legislative oversight, writing "rules" that they enforce with little judicial oversight. Run by people with political agendas and frequently no work experience in their area. Increasingly the agencies are used not just to regulate but to control industries, finance, health care, etc.

As with our i*********n l*ws a President can choose what to enforce or not. We have had a big push for more gun legislation. One might ask why. Only 2% of current firearms violations are prosecuted (25,000 out of 1.2 million violations. http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Few-gun-laws-enforced-1114708.php)

Somehow I don't think a constitutional convention will help.

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Apr 29, 2013 22:21:51   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Cedarstrip wrote:
Gee, do you think we could write a new constitution as good as the Affordable Health Care Act? The French have tried several times and never really got a good one. The guys that wrote our Constitution were a very unique group. They understood the frailties of human nature, the corrupting influences of power and money. They also knew the histories of various governments going back to ancient Greek and Roman times. They had thirteen examples of representative government with many years of first hand experience. They also understood the existing European governments with their good and bad points. They knew how laws were written and adjudicated in various countries.

Sure there were problems with parts of it, s***ery being the most obvious. Most of them knew it had to go away. It was already losing economic viability and they thought it would fade away. That was before cotton became the main crop of the south.

The main problem we have now is not with the Constitution, but structures that have been devised to work around it. We don't really have a government "by the people" any more. That is because of all the federal agencies that operate with little legislative oversight, writing "rules" that they enforce with little judicial oversight. Run by people with political agendas and frequently no work experience in their area. Increasingly the agencies are used not just to regulate but to control industries, finance, health care, etc.

As with our i*********n l*ws a President can choose what to enforce or not. We have had a big push for more gun legislation. One might ask why. Only 2% of current firearms violations are prosecuted (25,000 out of 1.2 million violations. http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Few-gun-laws-enforced-1114708.php)

Somehow I don't think a constitutional convention will help.
Gee, do you think we could write a new constitutio... (show quote)

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Know what I really think? I think until we get some morality back into the body politics, we are screwed. With corrupt politicians and corrupt courts, our Constitution is not even an issue. The b****t box will never again have any meaning as long as corrupt people negate it. Our method of checks and balances is UNBALANCED to say the least.

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