straightUp Loc: California

Anyone with a sense of justice and humanity will, that's a given. As for the Pumpkinfuhrer, it remains to be seen if he winds up in federal penitentiary. Of course he deserves it (actually, he deserves to be executed) but I fully expect him to spend the next 11 months avoiding it using wh**ever powers he can leverage. So expect THAT to be an ongoing show.

fullspinzoo

Another guy vying for the biggest A-hole award on OPP, but he has some stiff competition.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Guys a joke. Very impressed with himself. He is good at cut and paste and parroting left wing BS.

straightUp Loc: California

Hi PR... You picked a really good topic here, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much debate about the issue. Your thread turned into a typical poo-flinging monkey fight pretty quick.

H. R. 5383 is a rather large bill with 7 titles. I am still reading through it. So far, I haven't found any grounds for the accusations being made in the article you link to. Since you seem to think the bill is a bad idea, I'd like you to explain which specific part of the bill you are referring to and WHY you think it's bad. That way I can focus my attention and get a better understanding of your position.

Does that seem like a reasonable request to you?

straightUp Loc: California

'Says the guy who answers my question with a link to a Tucker Carlson transcript. ;)

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

So? Like I said, I read the bill. Tucker highlighted much of the important sections. You too narrow minded to read something you perceive doesn’t fit your view? It’s an anti American citizen bill. I’m sure you’re for it.

fullspinzoo

what's wrong with that? Tell us where Tucker is wrong? You should appreciate that. it's kind of like "Way Forward Bill For Dummies"...which you should think is perfect. If the first paragraph is accurate, it doesn't look like a very well put together Bill. https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/34837-the-new-way-forward-end-america-bill-the-worst-legislation-you-never-heard-of Of course, you guys want i******s to come into our country and then provide health insurance. Correct? And your view toward late term a******n and in some cases infanticide is going to k**l you in the next e******n, IMHO.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Protection of all I******s should not be the law!!But here what I have found so far!!

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/new-way-forward-act-would-protect-illegal-aliens-and-criminals/

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

It’s a horrible and possibly Unconstitutional Bill. IMO for this Bill to become Law other laws would need rescinded or changed.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

President Trump will never sign this nightmare bill!!! It would NEVER happen as long as Trump is a President!!!

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

True.

straightUp Loc: California

Did you?


Such as?


My schedule is too narrow to read through pages of commentary to find what your problem is.


What exactly makes it an anti-American citizen bill?

Look, don't get all shirty 'cause I'm asking you to explain your position. One of the reasons why I'm asking is because I don't think you did read the bill... It's not you in particular, it's the way you responded. If you understand the issue then you should be able to explain it. If you explain it, I can get a better understanding of where you're coming from. Or is that something you're trying to hide?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Not to you. You’re a waste of time. Don’t give a damn whether you believe I read it or not. Just the fact that the bill decriminalized or reduces felonies for i******s and not citizens is enough for me.

Navigator

This episode of your fantasies wasn't as funny as many but still pretty hysterical.

straightUp Loc: California

Well, you're doing about as well as JFlorio. You've both made broad generalizations then you each parrot Tucker Carlson. JFlorio linked to Carlson's transcript directly and you linked to an article that sources the same transcript.

Maybe you didn't understand what I was asking for. Think of what your teachers used to say about your assignments... Could you hand in a paper with a one-liner and a bunch of references to other people's work? I realize OPP isn't high school but the reason why teachers stress original work is to teach students how to think for themselves. Do you see where I am going with this now?

I tell ya what - I'll just respond to your broad generalization. You said "Protection of all I******s should not be the law!!" But doesn't that depend on what you mean by "protection"?

Unlike your native Russia, which has a particularly abusive prison system, the United States is a common law country and as such those accused and even convicted are indeed granted certain protections. Some of them are even enshrined in Bill of Rights, such as the 5th, the 6th and 8th Amendments, all having roots in English common law that go back to the 13th century. Another one is the right to Habeas Corpus; a writ requiring a person under arrest to be brought before a judge or into court, to secure the person's release unless lawful grounds are shown for their detention. Remember all the crap Bush got for trying to suspend that?

For roughly 700 years civilizations have honored this rule of humanity. About 230 years ago our founding fathers adopted this rule as a fixture in our republic. It wasn't until about 60 years ago that 8 U.S. Code 1226a created an exception for immigrants. Now if you read the original article you linked to, you may have noticed that one of the complaints is that H.R.5383 repeals that exception.

There are two ways to think about this...

1. It's a correction that puts U.S. law back in line with the 700 year old tradition of common law justice and the idea of Liberty and Justice for ALL.

2. It gets in the way of treating i*****l i*******ts like animals.

So getting back to your original question... Is it good for America? I would (at least with regard to repealing 8 U.S. Code 1226a) say that it depends on what kind of place you want America to be. A place where "Liberty and Justice for All" actually means something or a place where "Liberty and Justice for All" is just BS.