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Feb 12, 2020 16:08:44   #
woodguru
 
I guess the responder that gleefully said this is all blue states which will give Trump a landslide in the electoral missed some key factors...

The whole electoral college thing is turning into a major circle jerk, this ending it or turning it to a winner take the whole country or whatever the end goal is is ridiculous.

The thing that is set to blow the whole electoral college up is the bias that is inherently involved with red states and their electoral delegates, and I'm speaking of faithless electorates. The upset is going to be there when red states, who already bias everything they do in favor of republicans, lose their popular elections but their trump loyalist electors go faithless and vote for trump even though their state's electoral votes should be awarded to democrats.

The supreme court is already looking at the issue of faithless electors, and red states will see larger numbers of faithless electors than blue states will. I have no problem believing that a dem could win the popular and the electoral and there being enough faithless electors in red states to turn the electoral if it's close.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/report-state-house-passes-bill-to-award-electoral-votes-to-whoever-wins-the-popular-vote/

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Feb 12, 2020 16:26:22   #
Radiance3
 
woodguru wrote:
I guess the responder that gleefully said this is all blue states which will give Trump a landslide in the electoral missed some key factors...

The whole electoral college thing is turning into a major circle jerk, this ending it or turning it to a winner take the whole country or whatever the end goal is is ridiculous.

The thing that is set to blow the whole electoral college up is the bias that is inherently involved with red states and their electoral delegates, and I'm speaking of faithless electorates. The upset is going to be there when red states, who already bias everything they do in favor of republicans, lose their popular elections but their trump loyalist electors go faithless and vote for trump even though their state's electoral votes should be awarded to democrats.

The supreme court is already looking at the issue of faithless electors, and red states will see larger numbers of faithless electors than blue states will. I have no problem believing that a dem could win the popular and the electoral and there being enough faithless electors in red states to turn the electoral if it's close.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/report-state-house-passes-bill-to-award-electoral-votes-to-whoever-wins-the-popular-vote/
I guess the responder that gleefully said this is ... (show quote)

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There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States, so the States may decide to use something other than their State's popular vote results to direct how their electors vote.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/faq

State alone could not decide to transfer their electoral college even when they win the popular votes. This electoral college is a federal level and not done in any individual states decision. If Virginia moves their electoral to the popular vote winner. That is null and void.

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Feb 12, 2020 16:34:35   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States, so the States may decide to use something other than their State's popular vote results to direct how their electors vote.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/faq

State alone could not decide to transfer their electoral college even when they win the popular votes. This electoral college is a federal level and not done in any individual states decision. If Virginia moves their electoral to the popular vote winner. That is null and void.
=================== br i u There is no Constit... (show quote)


No surprise, the left always try to change things to be in their favor. Not going to work but that never stops them. If they had more support they wouldn't have to lie and cheat. States do need to reclaim a lot of their power but Federal elections don't belong to states. So this is more like another treason attempt.

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Feb 12, 2020 16:37:50   #
nwtk2007
 
woodguru wrote:
I guess the responder that gleefully said this is all blue states which will give Trump a landslide in the electoral missed some key factors...

The whole electoral college thing is turning into a major circle jerk, this ending it or turning it to a winner take the whole country or whatever the end goal is is ridiculous.

The thing that is set to blow the whole electoral college up is the bias that is inherently involved with red states and their electoral delegates, and I'm speaking of faithless electorates. The upset is going to be there when red states, who already bias everything they do in favor of republicans, lose their popular elections but their trump loyalist electors go faithless and vote for trump even though their state's electoral votes should be awarded to democrats.

The supreme court is already looking at the issue of faithless electors, and red states will see larger numbers of faithless electors than blue states will. I have no problem believing that a dem could win the popular and the electoral and there being enough faithless electors in red states to turn the electoral if it's close.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/report-state-house-passes-bill-to-award-electoral-votes-to-whoever-wins-the-popular-vote/
I guess the responder that gleefully said this is ... (show quote)


So y'all are already compiling excuses for your future loss in 2020. LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Feb 12, 2020 18:36:27   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Peewee wrote:
No surprise, the left always try to change things to be in their favor. Not going to work but that never stops them. If they had more support they wouldn't have to lie and cheat. States do need to reclaim a lot of their power but Federal elections don't belong to states. So this is more like another treason attempt.


Democrats routinely receive more support than Republicans. That is why Republicans rely on the electoral college for their legitimacy. Last election cycle, there were 13m more votes cast for Democratic senate candidates than Republican. You could look it up. No lying or cheating necessary.

I have news for you....it's the states that are in control of their electors, not the national government. A National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would be just the ticket states need to avoid radical minority governments like the Trump administration. Nothing treasonous about it. Except to those who think a minority should rule a majority.

Another election like the last one, where Mr. Trump wins the electoral college while losing the popular vote, will inevitably give a major push for the NPVIC.

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Feb 12, 2020 18:42:41   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States, so the States may decide to use something other than their State's popular vote results to direct how their electors vote.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/faq

State alone could not decide to transfer their electoral college even when they win the popular votes. This electoral college is a federal level and not done in any individual states decision. If Virginia moves their electoral to the popular vote winner. That is null and void.
=================== br i u There is no Constit... (show quote)


Your two paragraphs contradict each other. The first one is correct: states can decide how to apportion their electoral votes. The second is just confused...but wrong. Virginia can choose to select electors that vote for the popular vote winner. How is it null and void?

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Feb 12, 2020 18:59:09   #
Gatsby
 
woodguru wrote:
I guess the responder that gleefully said this is all blue states which will give Trump a landslide in the electoral missed some key factors...

The whole electoral college thing is turning into a major circle jerk, this ending it or turning it to a winner take the whole country or whatever the end goal is is ridiculous.

The thing that is set to blow the whole electoral college up is the bias that is inherently involved with red states and their electoral delegates, and I'm speaking of faithless electorates. The upset is going to be there when red states, who already bias everything they do in favor of republicans, lose their popular elections but their trump loyalist electors go faithless and vote for trump even though their state's electoral votes should be awarded to democrats.

The supreme court is already looking at the issue of faithless electors, and red states will see larger numbers of faithless electors than blue states will. I have no problem believing that a dem could win the popular and the electoral and there being enough faithless electors in red states to turn the electoral if it's close.

https://dennismichaellynch.com/report-state-house-passes-bill-to-award-electoral-votes-to-whoever-wins-the-popular-vote/
I guess the responder that gleefully said this is ... (show quote)


President Trump will win in the biggest electoral landslide in history,

Democrats will whine themselves to death.

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Feb 12, 2020 19:27:56   #
Radiance3
 
working class stiff wrote:
Your two paragraphs contradict each other. The first one is correct: states can decide how to apportion their electoral votes. The second is just confused...but wrong. Virginia can choose to select electors that vote for the popular vote winner. How is it null and void?

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Wrong, electoral vote, is a federal mandate, and any state could not decide that. What the constitution states is here:
There is NO Constitutional provision or Federal law, that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their State
, so the States may decide to use something other than their State's popular vote

If Virginia use the popular votes to put their electoral college vote, that is null and void.

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Feb 12, 2020 19:47:33   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Wrong, electoral vote, is a federal mandate, and any state could not decide that. What the constitution states is here:
There is NO Constitutional provision or Federal law, that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their State
, so the States may decide to use something other than their State's popular vote

If Virginia use the popular votes to put their electoral college vote, that is null and void.
============== br Wrong, electoral vote, is a fede... (show quote)


Read your own sentences again. NO constitutional or Federal law REQUIRES electors to vote for the popular vote winner in their states. Therefore the states MAY use something other than their state's popular vote to apportion electors.

That clearly says that the states have the power to apportion their electors as they see fit. If they choose to support the winner of the national popular vote, they are free to do so.

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Feb 12, 2020 20:23:23   #
Radiance3
 
working class stiff wrote:
Read your own sentences again. NO constitutional or Federal law REQUIRES electors to vote for the popular vote winner in their states. Therefore the states MAY use something other than their state's popular vote to apportion electors.

That clearly says that the states have the power to apportion their electors as they see fit. If they choose to support the winner of the national popular vote, they are free to do so.

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You are a democrat. And I understand democrats want to cheat in order to win.

Your interpretation is Wrong again. Virginia could not assert that. Otherwise, the electoral college votes will be rendered useless. Because you are moving electoral votes to the majority popular votes.

Democrats want to remove the electoral college but use the popular votes. That will never be allowed. All 57 States must have the electoral votes.

What happens when you move electoral votes of California or New York, since these states have always democrat majority popular votes, the democrats will get majority of the electoral votes. That will remove the rights of other states to participate in the electoral votes. That is illegal and unconstitutional.

That will never happen. Democrats always want to find ways to cheat in order to win. But these are all unconstitutional and will not be allowed.

Examples:
California, New York, Chicago,by moving their electoral votes to their majority popular votes, will make their electoral college votes more, and therefore win the election. And that will disenfranchise the rest of the states. In the electoral college votes, all 50 states must participate.

Virginia's illegal move prohibit electoral votes of all other states. In the electoral college votes, all 50 states are required to participate.

Democrats could not maneuver that. It is illegal, unconstitutional, and not allowed by the Founders. Framer of the constitution Hamilton would role over his grave.

I will warn the president's office about these illegal plots of the democrats in Virginia.

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Feb 12, 2020 20:24:23   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
working class stiff wrote:
Read your own sentences again. NO constitutional or Federal law REQUIRES electors to vote for the popular vote winner in their states. Therefore the states MAY use something other than their state's popular vote to apportion electors.

That clearly says that the states have the power to apportion their electors as they see fit. If they choose to support the winner of the national popular vote, they are free to do so.


Some politicians are crooks, some are honest. May the honest ones win. Looking at the Dems it appears they are. Hillary and her friends are losing their mojo. The big bad witch is melting and so is Soros.

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Feb 13, 2020 09:01:34   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
[quote=Radiance3]===================
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States, so the States may decide to use something other than their State's popular vote results to direct how their electors vote.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/faq

State alone could not decide to transfer their electoral college even when they win the popular votes. This electoral college is a federal level and not done in any individual states decision. If Virginia moves their electoral to the popular vote winner. That is null and void.
[/quote the electoral is the popular if done properly! They are supposed to speak people’s choice! Fairly! And help the smaller states be recognized!

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Feb 13, 2020 09:03:03   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
working class stiff wrote:
Democrats routinely receive more support than Republicans. That is why Republicans rely on the electoral college for their legitimacy. Last election cycle, there were 13m more votes cast for Democratic senate candidates than Republican. You could look it up. No lying or cheating necessary.

I have news for you....it's the states that are in control of their electors, not the national government. A National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would be just the ticket states need to avoid radical minority governments like the Trump administration. Nothing treasonous about it. Except to those who think a minority should rule a majority.

Another election like the last one, where Mr. Trump wins the electoral college while losing the popular vote, will inevitably give a major push for the NPVIC.
Democrats routinely receive more support than Repu... (show quote)


The popular was the illegal vote!!!!

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Feb 13, 2020 10:18:24   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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You are a democrat. And I understand democrats want to cheat in order to win.

Your interpretation is Wrong again. Virginia could not assert that. Otherwise, the electoral college votes will be rendered useless. Because you are moving electoral votes to the majority popular votes.

Democrats want to remove the electoral college but use the popular votes. That will never be allowed. All 57 States must have the electoral votes.

What happens when you move electoral votes of California or New York, since these states have always democrat majority popular votes, the democrats will get majority of the electoral votes. That will remove the rights of other states to participate in the electoral votes. That is illegal and unconstitutional.

That will never happen. Democrats always want to find ways to cheat in order to win. But these are all unconstitutional and will not be allowed.

Examples:
California, New York, Chicago,by moving their electoral votes to their majority popular votes, will make their electoral college votes more, and therefore win the election. And that will disenfranchise the rest of the states. In the electoral college votes, all 50 states must participate.

Virginia's illegal move prohibit electoral votes of all other states. In the electoral college votes, all 50 states are required to participate.

Democrats could not maneuver that. It is illegal, unconstitutional, and not allowed by the Founders. Framer of the constitution Hamilton would role over his grave.

I will warn the president's office about these illegal plots of the democrats in Virginia.
================= br i You are a democrat. And I ... (show quote)


If your concern is that a national popular vote interstate compact would nullify the current advantage that smaller and rural states enjoy...you are correct. The electoral votes would be apportioned differently.
These 'illegal' plots have been underway for quite some time. So far 16 states have joined the compact.

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

Go ahead and warn the President.

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/president-trump-reaffirms-his-long-standing-opposition-electoral-college-and-favors-nationwide-vote

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Feb 13, 2020 13:13:27   #
jim_shipley
 
The college was invented to give all the people a vote and this ends it. It could be the end of a UNITED states. When liberal parasite rule at all ends.

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