Cuda2020

You have, as you support this lying c***ting t*****r who usurps our own justice system. Releasing Stone is a perfect example, anyone who follows him is of the same mentality of the people who believed and followed Hitler, you do realize he uses the same play card, Nah I guess you don't.

Cuda2020

[quote=Pennylynn]If you want to claim him...be my guest! This man started a war that k**led more Americans than all other combined wars! He allowed the slaughter of women and children, condoned the rape of men, women, and children. Jailed men and boys in deplorable conditions affording them less rations than Hitler gave to Jews that he deliberately starved to death, provided no medical care or even provisions to make fires for warmth. He allowed the land to be made desolate, scorched, stole personal property to include all foods, virtually starving both black and w***e A******ns, and had people hung people without trial or due process of the law as contained as a "right" in the Constitution.

In Lincoln's own words, 18 September 1858 "I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political e******y of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making v**ers or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political e******y. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

Should you read his documents, one thing stands out; his only strength was his ability to change as it related to his public stance on s***ery. It was a tool used to ensure his ree******n and to justify his assault and murder of Americans, for robbery, for extorsion, and the burning of a third of American homes and businesses.

In a speech in Peoria, he was not concerned with "rights of s***es" nor was he concerned about the morals of s***e ownership, rather the existence of s***ery within the United States made American democracy appear hypocritical in the eyes of the world. That was his stand that never changed. Later on, he put out a "solution" as to what should happened to b****s if freed, deport them. As Edward M. Thomas recounts a meeting with Lincoln along with; John F. Cook Jr., a local school leader who had studied at Oberlin College, John T. Costin, who, like Thomas and Cook, was a Freemason, Cornelius Clark, a member of the influential Social, Civil, and Statistical Association in Washington (Cook and Thomas also were members), and Benjamin M. McCoy, a teacher and leader in the Asbury Methodist Episcopal Church in Washington. These delegates met the afternoon of Thursday, Aug. 14, 1862 at the Union Bethel AME Church in Washington. .

Lincoln is quoted "You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.”

He goes on to blame them for the attacks on the south and the war: "See our present condition—the country engaged in war!—our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the t***h. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of S***ery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.”

Going on in his sale's pitch for freed b****s (only those owned in the south) he proposed that they all leave the "civilized" world. He even played the Washington card to encourage them to segregate themselves from white civilized men, "In the American Revolutionary war, sacrifices were made by men engaged in it; but they were cheered by the future. Gen. Washington himself endured greater physical hardships than if he had remained a British subject. Yet he was a happy man, because he was engaged in benefiting his race.”

As crazy as it sounds, Central America fit the bill for Lincoln, because, as he explained, “[i]t is nearer to us than Liberia—not much more than one-fourth as far as Liberia, and within seven days' run by steamers. Unlike Liberia it is on a great line of travel—it is a highway. The country is a very excellent one for any people, and with great natural resources and advantages, and especially because of the similarity of climate with your native land—thus being suited to your physical condition.” He even had a career picked out for them, coal mining.

If you read his Emancipation Proclamation, it was a weapon used against the South. "That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as s***es within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in r*******n against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom." In other words, only s***es owned by any person who rebelled against his dictatorship were freed. Further, the 13th Amendment was proposed, authored, and pushed through the House and Senate by a real Republican, James Mitchell Ashley.

With him (Lincoln) as the "Father who freed s***es" as a model, who can really question how the Jim Crow Laws were enacted or the birth of the KKK?

You want him.....do claim him as he did not represent the values of southerners or even Christian values. Yes, he was more closely aligned to how modern day Democrats view b****s, as a tool used in political campaigns.[/quote]

What an interesting perspective, skewed and tainted but interesting. This man started a war...I think not. This man freed a nation of people, as a Jew I would think you would appreciate that.

You supporting Trump have a bit of gall accusing anyone using people as tools especially the b****s, let's just look at his last campaign speech, whoops I meant to say inaugural speech Quite the performance of his token b****s being taken out on center stage. Yep, that's Trump, a real person of the black community and Christian for that matter.

Apparently you don't know the difference between law and a dictator. People were no longer to keep other people as s***es and if you did you were going against our laws as a free country. You do understand the meaning behind freedom and our constitution?


Yes, you are correct without the institution of s***ery, there would not have been a war, the south would have paid for their employees just as the north, generally speaking. His emancipation wasn't a weapon against the south, it was against s***ery, funny how that completely bypassed your perception.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Yeah, that never comes from you or others on the liberal side.
The "evil" conservatives are to blame.
Go take a read from some of the liberal posts, and stick your finger where it belongs.

Cuda2020

I know the difference between knowing I control what I do, not what others do, and yeah civility comes from me all the time unless provoked as far as responding to a poster and not attacking the Don who deserves every bit of it.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Bigger than Vindman: Trump scrubs 70 Obama holdovers from NSC
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/bigger-than-vindman-trump-scrubs-70-obama-holdovers-from-nsc

President Trump is making good on his promises to “drain the swamp” and cut Obama-era holdovers from his staffs, especially the critical and recently controversial National Security Council.

Officials confirmed that Trump and national security adviser Robert O’Brien have cut 70 positions inherited from former President Barack Obama, who had fattened the staff to 200.

Many were loaners from other agencies and have been sent back. Others left government work.

The NSC, which is the president’s personal staff, was rocked when a “whistleblower” leveled charges that led to Trump’s impeachment.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Poor baby. You run off at the mouth and say things like "The true destructive force is the Ill reputes (conservative) running the Whitehouse." Then you get all weepy and hurt and respond with tears claiming we cannot say anything without being personally offensive. We're not offended when you regurgitate your standard preprogrammed progressive responses like "you're r****ts or bigots or homophobes" because we know you're liars. You've been taught that lies are t***h , evil is good, good is evil, tolerance means acceptance of the intollerable, etc, etc etc. Your core had to be pretty weak prior to your giving faithful allegiance to the moral, soul k*****g, nation k*****g and other. destructive philosophies of Progressivesism. Someday, when the mere suggestion you may be in error crosses your mind, study the Progressives greatest achievements. They might surprise you although I doubt at this point you will ever understand.

Enlighten me and explain how does a conditioned twisted mind make up and then totally believe that every immoral group that's been effectively militarized are only, as you claim, minding their own business and just want a fair shake?

You end your comment with "God help us from the righteous." God would not do that but you have definitely been shielded. Have a great day.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Padre; You covered Bacaruda's back-assward positions well.

Is it possible for the immoral, so perceive the moral, and become moral?

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

Have you ever posted anything here that wasn’t personally offensive?

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Good question. My understanding is that it is very possible for an individual to fall so far that it becomes practically impossible for their redemption. Jesus told his apostles that this type of person requires constant prayer and fasting. Sounds suspiciously like an exorcism doesn't it? I never thought of it quite that way before. Too simple.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Actually, it was two very bad presidents who were responsible for the war; Buchanan who set the stage for states needing to secede from the union and the “first shot’’ forced by Lincoln. Buchanan’s work on the Dread Scot case only added fuel to the fire. He was mistakenly called a “doughface” but he was no friend to the south, it was his personal greed that influenced his support for the Lecompton Constitution. Of course, Lincoln as I already discussed and then came Johnson who botched the “reconstruction” after the war. Of the three, who was worse for our nation and morally bankrupt, hard to say. All three share the guilt for our current racial divide. Don’t misunderstand, many presidents since them have done much to keep the “resentment and h**e” alive and center stage.

You say I do not know the difference in law and dictator…interesting personal attack but let us look at this. The Dred Scott case set the law of the time and that was based on the unamended (equal rights that would be penned) Constitution. Many misread the three fifth clause of the Constitution, Article I, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution of 1787 in fact declared that for purposes of representation in Congress, ens***ed b****s in a state would be counted as three-fifths of the number of white inhabitants of that state. This was written and unmodified by the founding fathers, the bases for “laws” in the new world. It was not amended until AFTER the war of aggression. You may be referring to the Emancipation Proclamation which was in effect an Executive Order (EO) ONLY FREED s***es belonging to states who “rebelled” not s***es of Yankees. At that time more than a fifth of the population of New York city were s***es! None were “freed: by Lincoln’s EO, which can be effectively argued as unconstitutional.

I believe you missed the punctuation in my post…it was Lincoln’s argument to the black leaders that s***es “caused” the War of Aggression. What I put in quotes were his words/arguments, not mine. As I researched this issue it became clear that s***ery played only a minor role, and then only in the minds of a few, in the start or continuation of the war. In fact, it was an invention of a black man who made cotton king. Although simple in design, the cotton gin solved a pressing economic problem and t***sformed both agricultural and industrial America. Only after comparing the economy of the American South before and after the introduction of the gin can we appreciate its historic impact.

Before the cotton gin, s***ery had been on its way out—farmers realized it was more expensive to maintain s***es, compared to the value of what they could produce. Cotton was a troublesome crop; its fiber could only be separated from the sticky, embedded seeds by hand, a grueling and exhausting process. This changed dramatically with the advent of the cotton gin. Suddenly cotton became a lucrative crop and a major export for the South. However, because of this increased demand, many more s***es were needed to grow cotton and harvest the fields.

The North was fine with the status quo as long as they were the cotton buyers and could set the price. Problems started when the South started to export their product. The cotton industry was one of the world’s largest industries, and most of the world supply of cotton came from the American South. This industry, fueled by the labor of s***es on plantations, generated huge sums of money for the South and influenced the new nation’s ability to borrow money in a global market. In many respects, cotton’s financial and political influence in the 19th century can be compared to that of the oil industry in the early 21st century. At this time, cotton produced in the American South accounted for 77 percent of the 800 million pounds of cotton used in Great Britain. The South’s deals with Europe, especially England, essentially circumnavigated the strangle hold of the Yankee, cut their exports and income, and wealthy shipper’s ability to borrow money. It also cut the government in DC’s revenue in the form of taxes. Following the lead of cotton growers, sugar cane plantations began to directly export their products to Europe. Yankee rum distilleries as well as molasses were almost put out of business, as Europeans became competitors.

Putting it simple, the Yankees had to regain control but to sell pure greed as a motive to invade the south was impossible, they needed an emotional call to arms and s***ery was the “free ride” ticket to dominance over the South. The War of Aggression can be more adequately described as the War of Greed. It was not the s***e or even the expansion of s***ery into Kansas, it was economics. I am not minimizing the inhumane treatment of s***es by some, not all, owners. S***ery was only smoke and mirrors for the real issues.

Your introduction of my religion does not change facts, indeed your effort to inject current politics into the bad leadership of Lincoln is a resound failure. Try to argue the points, defend the war, or even Lincoln and leave your personal distain for Trump or my religious preference out of the discussion.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Good informative read Penny!
Sooo Bacaruda; put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Airforceone

See this is your problem you got a very accurate post and is very much intellectually sound and factual but all you do is take the same avenue like that White House POS and answer like a child.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Way to go padremike !!

And for TD

I have a niece, 10 years old, she is a sophomore in college. Never underestimate children or others! For your information accuracy and fact based is more important than your vile gibberish. It is heartwarming that you give credit to Padremike as well as the WH for accuracy in their narratives. Perhaps there is hope for you.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

First, I don't have a problem, however I do have concerns over what people like you are trying to do to America. You're corrupt and you promote evil while truly believing you're doing good. The fact that you do not know you're corrupt and that you promote evil is very much your problem.

Next, if you believe I answer like a child then it's only because you listen as a child and understand as a child.