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Feb 13, 2020 00:12:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
Wellllllll.....on that standard anyone who doesn't own their own business is an indentured servant. Difference is you can change jobs (owners), tho


Yes... Except he was an immigrant...

Imagine if companies could ship in workers who require less pay than Americans and would accept a much lower standard of living...

Wait a minute

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Feb 13, 2020 00:13:38   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes... Except he was an immigrant...

Imagine if companies could ship in workers who require less pay than Americans and would accept a much lower standard of living...

Wait a minute



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Feb 13, 2020 00:22:42   #
GmanTerry
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
We need to reinstate indentured servitude


Kyle, that is an interesting remark. The reason so very many of our younger people are embracing socialism is because many young folks feel they have been sold into indentured servitude by the educational system. They are told that to succeed they must have a university diploma. However, they soon realize that they will be indebted for a very long time and that means they can't move forward with the American Dream. They pay so much for health care and student loans that they can't afford marriage, a house or a family. This is why they embrace the socialist left. Congress is so busy trying to undo the 2016 e******n that they have totally abandoned the citizens and their needs. Solving the education debt problem should be a priority but it is only addressed by the socialist candidates. If the United States is sold into socialism it will be because the younger generation feels they have become indentured servants. I don't have the solution but I sure wish someone would address this problem as my grandkids are going into debt as I write this. And this is only one of the many problems that the Congress refuses to address.


Semper Fi

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Feb 13, 2020 00:51:57   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
GmanTerry wrote:
Kyle, that is an interesting remark. The reason so very many of our younger people are embracing socialism is because many young folks feel they have been sold into indentured servitude by the educational system. They are told that to succeed they must have a university diploma. However, they soon realize that they will be indebted for a very long time and that means they can't move forward with the American Dream. They pay so much for health care and student loans that they can't afford marriage, a house or a family. This is why they embrace the socialist left. Congress is so busy trying to undo the 2016 e******n that they have totally abandoned the citizens and their needs. Solving the education debt problem should be a priority but it is only addressed by the socialist candidates. If the United States is sold into socialism it will be because the younger generation feels they have become indentured servants. I don't have the solution but I sure wish someone would address this problem as my grandkids are going into debt as I write this. And this is only one of the many problems that the Congress refuses to address.


Semper Fi
Kyle, that is an interesting remark. The reason so... (show quote)


Good points Gman...

Personally, I think stopping the majority of student loans would be so big step forward... I would continue loans to those who have served in the armed forces and I would like to see some programs (medical would be one ) subsidized by the government (contingent on grades of course)...

Secod, I think there needs to be more funding for trade schools, and more emphasis on the benefits of learning a trade... Plumbers, mechanics, carpenters, electricians, etc.. are all excellent careers that may appeal to many young minds who are being shepherded into universities on the false belief that any degree is a ticket to see good career...

Finally, existing student debt needs to be addressed... I would like to see universities pay back a portion of any student debt their graduates have incurred... Also, students who consistently pay off debt should be given deductions... Say if a student is required to pay off 4,000 dollars worth of debt this year, but managed to pay off 6,000 dollars for a total of 2,000 dollars above what is required, then the government should deduct a further 2,000 dollars from the debt... This would not only encourage young folk to pay off their debts fsster, but would make it easier to pay off the debt...

I agree... I would like to hear more talk concerning education from the right... De Voe seems to be the quietest failure of the Trump administration...

Offering "free" education to all is not the way to go... No nation in the world could sustain that...

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Feb 13, 2020 02:03:24   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good points Gman...

Personally, I think stopping the majority of student loans would be so big step forward... I would continue loans to those who have served in the armed forces and I would like to see some programs (medical would be one ) subsidized by the government (contingent on grades of course)...

Secod, I think there needs to be more funding for trade schools, and more emphasis on the benefits of learning a trade... Plumbers, mechanics, carpenters, electricians, etc.. are all excellent careers that may appeal to many young minds who are being shepherded into universities on the false belief that any degree is a ticket to see good career...

Finally, existing student debt needs to be addressed... I would like to see universities pay back a portion of any student debt their graduates have incurred... Also, students who consistently pay off debt should be given deductions... Say if a student is required to pay off 4,000 dollars worth of debt this year, but managed to pay off 6,000 dollars for a total of 2,000 dollars above what is required, then the government should deduct a further 2,000 dollars from the debt... This would not only encourage young folk to pay off their debts fsster, but would make it easier to pay off the debt...

I agree... I would like to hear more talk concerning education from the right... De Voe seems to be the quietest failure of the Trump administration...

Offering "free" education to all is not the way to go... No nation in the world could sustain that...
Good points Gman... br br Personally, I think st... (show quote)


I agree with all. Regarding Betsy Devoss - they talked about expanding trade schools and focus schools, haven't seen a thing happen.

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Feb 13, 2020 02:37:49   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
I agree with all. Regarding Betsy Devoss - they talked about expanding trade schools and focus schools, haven't seen a thing happen.


She has been a failure... But a silent one...

I would have replaced her after the first year...

Had such high hopes for her... Loved her platforms...


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Feb 13, 2020 02:39:20   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
She has been a failure... But a silent one...

I would have replaced her after the first year...

Had such high hopes for her... Loved her platforms...



Completely agree

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Feb 13, 2020 02:41:15   #
debeda
 
debeda wrote:
Completely agree


Although to be fair have you ever made the effort to make any fundamental changes to public schools - you know, actual real school reform? They'll run you out of town on a rail

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Feb 13, 2020 14:11:43   #
GmanTerry
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good points Gman...

Personally, I think stopping the majority of student loans would be so big step forward... I would continue loans to those who have served in the armed forces and I would like to see some programs (medical would be one ) subsidized by the government (contingent on grades of course)...

Secod, I think there needs to be more funding for trade schools, and more emphasis on the benefits of learning a trade... Plumbers, mechanics, carpenters, electricians, etc.. are all excellent careers that may appeal to many young minds who are being shepherded into universities on the false belief that any degree is a ticket to see good career...

Finally, existing student debt needs to be addressed... I would like to see universities pay back a portion of any student debt their graduates have incurred... Also, students who consistently pay off debt should be given deductions... Say if a student is required to pay off 4,000 dollars worth of debt this year, but managed to pay off 6,000 dollars for a total of 2,000 dollars above what is required, then the government should deduct a further 2,000 dollars from the debt... This would not only encourage young folk to pay off their debts fsster, but would make it easier to pay off the debt...

I agree... I would like to hear more talk concerning education from the right... De Voe seems to be the quietest failure of the Trump administration...

Offering "free" education to all is not the way to go... No nation in the world could sustain that...
Good points Gman... br br Personally, I think st... (show quote)


Those are great thoughts and good possible solutions. I totally agree with pushing trade schools. Many folks like my brother, never liked schools but he loved automobiles. He went to a trade high school and made a good living as an auto mechanic. I love engineering.
Tucker Carlson has advocated that universities should be held responsible for the futures of its graduates. That is an idea with merit. When the university must absorb the cost of a useless education they would perhaps create useful curriculums that will enrich the student after graduation.

Semper Fi

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Feb 13, 2020 20:22:05   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
GmanTerry wrote:
Those are great thoughts and good possible solutions. I totally agree with pushing trade schools. Many folks like my brother, never liked schools but he loved automobiles. He went to a trade high school and made a good living as an auto mechanic. I love engineering.
Tucker Carlson has advocated that universities should be held responsible for the futures of its graduates. That is an idea with merit. When the university must absorb the cost of a useless education they would perhaps create useful curriculums that will enrich the student after graduation.

Semper Fi
Those are great thoughts and good possible solutio... (show quote)


In the usual course of things, courses that didn't lead to decent jobs would die out... Unfortunately, for a variety of factors, these programs have not only been allowed to survive, but often to flourish...

Tenured professors and student loan play the largest role, but also allowing many of these programs to work as credits for various majors... I imagine its somewhat easier to get credits for a g****r studies course than for a calculus course

Which in turn leads to students enrolling in easy majors... And being unemployable upon graduation....

Tucker's idea was a good one (I also caught that episode) but I'm not sure how it could be structured... If one graduate finds work, but another doesn't, how would the university go about absorbing the cost?


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Feb 14, 2020 14:12:25   #
GmanTerry
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
In the usual course of things, courses that didn't lead to decent jobs would die out... Unfortunately, for a variety of factors, these programs have not only been allowed to survive, but often to flourish...

Tenured professors and student loan play the largest role, but also allowing many of these programs to work as credits for various majors... I imagine its somewhat easier to get credits for a g****r studies course than for a calculus course

Which in turn leads to students enrolling in easy majors... And being unemployable upon graduation....

Tucker's idea was a good one (I also caught that episode) but I'm not sure how it could be structured... If one graduate finds work, but another doesn't, how would the university go about absorbing the cost?

In the usual course of things, courses that didn't... (show quote)


Indeed, the 'human factor' plays an important role.If, for instance, someone has a bad personality or attitude, then they may be passed over even if they are exceptionally gifted for the position they are interviewing for.

Semper Fi

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Feb 14, 2020 20:32:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
GmanTerry wrote:
Indeed, the 'human factor' plays an important role.If, for instance, someone has a bad personality or attitude, then they may be passed over even if they are exceptionally gifted for the position they are interviewing for.

Semper Fi


That happens far too often... Although I think having good social sk**ls is also important for one's career...

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