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Feb 14, 2020 13:58:23   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
JediKnight wrote:
Finally, we're getting somewhere! Okay, I understand your h**e for Obama -and that is your right if you choose to do so. You said "I don't like Trump -never have." Can you tell me "which" of Trump's policies you agree with? Are you saying that you can overlook the h**e, discrimination, lying, division and chaos that Trump promotes because he did.....what exactly?

You keep making the mistake of thinking that "I have a side" = you refer to it as "my side." J - I don't have any particular 'side.' I have said on here many times before that I consider the candidate, their platform and their party -then I decide my v**e based on who I think has the better vision, how they plan to implement that vision, etc.

I have v**ed for republicans and democrats alike. I would never base my v**e on "who the last president was or what they did just to spite their party" because ANY politician is capable of doing great things, just as any politician is capable of being totally destructive. I believe my "v**e" is more valuable than that.

What do you see the other side "promoting" that you find damaging both to the country and the individual? And if you can, please tell me how that is any worse than what Trump is doing pushing h**e, division, separation, and discrimination.
Finally, we're getting somewhere! Okay, I understa... (show quote)


I do not agree with your interpretation of h**e, discrimination, lying, or division. Love the chaos. These entrenched politicians and bureaucrats need some sunlight. I agree with immigration by merit. I agree i******s to be sent home; better yet, stopped and turned back at the border. I am for the Tariffs against the c***ters in China but I would have taken it a step further. I would make it illegal to do business with China until they changed their unfair trade practices. I am a 1st and 2nd Amendment proponent. Very important to me. The left is anti gun period. Confiscation is what they want and are finally finding the guts to admit it. They also are fighting Free Speech. Just investigate the ridiculous and sometimes violent protests at colleges that dare to invite a conservative speaker. They also are against what they call h**e speech and want to make it illegal. Problem with that is they want to be the ones to define h**e speech. The left wants to normalize gay and t*********r behavior by teaching it in our schools as early as pre-K. I'm against that of course. Just as I would be if they teach any sort of sex education at that age. The weakening of bond and what constitutes a criminal offense puts innocent civilians and the police in danger. Another big platform for the left. Free healthcare or single payer for all, (including i******s) and free college is a pipe dream. They also as we speak have forty some i***t Democrat House Members sponsoring a bill that would make it impossible to deport criminal aliens. We know nothings free. So far neither side is worth a damn about health care or reducing deficits for that matter. The Federal government needs to get out of the college funding business and the education business period. Eliminate the Department of Education. The left wants a wealth tax, even though the countries that have tried that have all rescinded the program. Wonder why? They want higher tax's period. I am against the Palestinian Authority, Iran and any other totalitarian regime that rules by religious decree. Love the fact that Trump no longer allows NATO members to use us as a piggy bank. Hope Trump gets out of the Middle East. Used to believe the generals know best, but 20 years in Afghanistan?
Trump lies, some would call them exaggerations. I'm a fisherman so I know about this behavior. Most of his statements are not intentional lies IMO. Just his dumbass way of bloviating. Don't see the h**e unless it's against the very biased press. Don't blame him. Also don't see the discrimination. Some see discrimination. I see National Security. Mor than anything I like the idea of America, and Americans first.

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Feb 14, 2020 14:19:00   #
JediKnight
 
dtucker: you posted; " The benefit is that he is turning the status quo in its head. He too is fundamentally changing America in the opposite direction of what Obama did; to value the founders' vision in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution."

Can you clarify what you mean by "...in the opposite direction of what Obama did...and to value the founders' vision in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution?"

I have read both the Declaration and the Constitution many times, and nowhere in either do I see a call for "banning" entire races of people from the country, degrading and insulting people because they are of a different culture, deliberate lying to the people, or any number of the horrible things I see Trump doing on a daily basis.
I assume at least part of what you mean by "the opposite direction of what Obama did" would be the push and support of same sex marriage. I as a Christian male, and as a person in general, do not support same sex marriage -but I don't blame "Obama" for it personally. People of the same sex where getting married before Obama came along -and no doubt will continue to do so even if the US rescinds that law. My point is; hating Obama for that is like blaming the horse for leaving the barn after YOU left the door open. Obama could not have pushed for such a law without the support of those who want same-sex marriage.

So, what exactly do you mean when you imply that Trump is "valuing the founders' vision?" I really don't see how....

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Feb 14, 2020 14:25:47   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
JediKnight wrote:
dtucker: you posted; " The benefit is that he is turning the status quo in its head. He too is fundamentally changing America in the opposite direction of what Obama did; to value the founders' vision in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution."

Can you clarify what you mean by "...in the opposite direction of what Obama did...and to value the founders' vision in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution?"

I have read both the Declaration and the Constitution many times, and nowhere in either do I see a call for "banning" entire races of people from the country, degrading and insulting people because they are of a different culture, deliberate lying to the people, or any number of the horrible things I see Trump doing on a daily basis.
I assume at least part of what you mean by "the opposite direction of what Obama did" would be the push and support of same sex marriage. I as a Christian male, and as a person in general, do not support same sex marriage -but I don't blame "Obama" for it personally. People of the same sex where getting married before Obama came along -and no doubt will continue to do so even if the US rescinds that law. My point is; hating Obama for that is like blaming the horse for leaving the barn after YOU left the door open. Obama could not have pushed for such a law without the support of those who want same-sex marriage.

So, what exactly do you mean when you imply that Trump is "valuing the founders' vision?" I really don't see how....
dtucker: you posted; " The benefit is that he... (show quote)


You are woefully misinformed or purposefully twisting the t***h. Which is what I believe. He did no such thing as ban an entire race. That is a lie and you know it. He banned people from certain countries because he saw their vetting or lack their of as a National Security threat. I agree. He didn't degrade the people of those s**t hole countries he referenced. He degraded the management of those countries. Even though according to my Dominican Republic friends you actually could degrade the people of Haiti. Not that I would personally. I do not know them. Obama did accept and push gay marriage. Of course he changed his mind about it when politically convenient. I detested Obama. He's not worth the energy it takes to h**e someone.

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Feb 14, 2020 14:27:03   #
JediKnight
 
Wow...now that was definitely more than a mouthful!

J: as you probably already know, I cannot agree with most of what you posted (and I know you will say you don't care) -but I do seriously appreciate your honesty and candor. It is easy to see that you feel strongly about your beliefs - and I not only support that -but I salute you for it!

One of the things I have constantly bemoaned on this site is the lack of honesty and candor of most posting here. I had begun to think, "surely these folk don't really believe what they're saying..." because before you, it seemed I could not get a serious detailed answer -only insults and innuendo.
Thank you for sharing your honest feelings - and good day to you!

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Feb 14, 2020 14:36:03   #
JediKnight
 
JFlorio wrote:
You are woefully misinformed or purposefully twisting the t***h. Which is what I believe. He did no such thing as ban an entire race. That is a lie and you know it. He banned people from certain countries because he saw their vetting or lack their of as a National Security threat. I agree. He didn't degrade the people of those s**t hole countries he referenced. He degraded the management of those countries. Even though according to my Dominican Republic friends you actually could degrade the people of Haiti. Not that I would personally. I do not know them. Obama did accept and push gay marriage. Of course he changed his mind about it when politically convenient. I detested Obama. He's not worth the energy it takes to h**e someone.
You are woefully misinformed or purposefully twist... (show quote)


I stand corrected! I did not mean to write Trump banned an entire race, but rather he banned an entire "culture" - the Muslims. I disagree with your explanation that Trump banned certain countries because he saw their lack of vetting. Trump did not ban Saudi Arabia -the country where most of the 9-11 culprits came from -a huge National Security threat if we are to believe the printed story behind the events of that day.

Degrading a country by labeling it as a "s**thole" hurts the citizens of that country as well as "the management" of said country. You notice he only labeled countries with all or a majority of dark skinned people that way - that, in my opinion, is pure r****m. As I said before, Obama as one person could not force same sex marriage on the nation. The people had to accept it or they could have come together and rejected it. Blaming Obama for that is like blaming Trump for hurricanes....makes no sense.

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Feb 14, 2020 14:56:01   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
JediKnight wrote:
dtucker: you posted; " The benefit is that he is turning the status quo in its head. He too is fundamentally changing America in the opposite direction of what Obama did; to value the founders' vision in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution."

Can you clarify what you mean by "...in the opposite direction of what Obama did...and to value the founders' vision in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution?"

I have read both the Declaration and the Constitution many times, and nowhere in either do I see a call for "banning" entire races of people from the country, degrading and insulting people because they are of a different culture, deliberate lying to the people, or any number of the horrible things I see Trump doing on a daily basis.
I assume at least part of what you mean by "the opposite direction of what Obama did" would be the push and support of same sex marriage. I as a Christian male, and as a person in general, do not support same sex marriage -but I don't blame "Obama" for it personally. People of the same sex where getting married before Obama came along -and no doubt will continue to do so even if the US rescinds that law. My point is; hating Obama for that is like blaming the horse for leaving the barn after YOU left the door open. Obama could not have pushed for such a law without the support of those who want same-sex marriage.

So, what exactly do you mean when you imply that Trump is "valuing the founders' vision?" I really don't see how....
dtucker: you posted; " The benefit is that he... (show quote)



History...

What history formed the marines song?

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Feb 14, 2020 14:56:06   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
JediKnight wrote:
I stand corrected! I did not mean to write Trump banned an entire race, but rather he banned an entire "culture" - the Muslims. I disagree with your explanation that Trump banned certain countries because he saw their lack of vetting. Trump did not ban Saudi Arabia -the country where most of the 9-11 culprits came from -a huge National Security threat if we are to believe the printed story behind the events of that day.

Degrading a country by labeling it as a "s**thole" hurts the citizens of that country as well as "the management" of said country. You notice he only labeled countries with all or a majority of dark skinned people that way - that, in my opinion, is pure r****m. As I said before, Obama as one person could not force same sex marriage on the nation. The people had to accept it or they could have come together and rejected it. Blaming Obama for that is like blaming Trump for hurricanes....makes no sense.
I stand corrected! I did not mean to write Trump b... (show quote)


You are still wrong. He wanted a travel ban from half a dozen predominately Muslim countries. Do you know how many countries in the world are predominately Muslim? I haven't counted them recently but close and upwards of about 50. Trump wanted travel bans from less than 20%, and for good reason at the time.

Oh yeah, people blame Trump for hurricanes! T***p w*n't sign the climate agreement accords. G****l w*****g is causing more frequent and intense hurricanes. Therefore Trump is contributing to the hurricanes. Trump is blamed.

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Feb 14, 2020 15:00:39   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
JediKnight wrote:
I stand corrected! I did not mean to write Trump banned an entire race, but rather he banned an entire "culture" - the Muslims. I disagree with your explanation that Trump banned certain countries because he saw their lack of vetting. Trump did not ban Saudi Arabia -the country where most of the 9-11 culprits came from -a huge National Security threat if we are to believe the printed story behind the events of that day.

Degrading a country by labeling it as a "s**thole" hurts the citizens of that country as well as "the management" of said country. You notice he only labeled countries with all or a majority of dark skinned people that way - that, in my opinion, is pure r****m. As I said before, Obama as one person could not force same sex marriage on the nation. The people had to accept it or they could have come together and rejected it. Blaming Obama for that is like blaming Trump for hurricanes....makes no sense.
I stand corrected! I did not mean to write Trump b... (show quote)


Quote:
Degrading a country by labeling it as a "s**thole" hurts the citizens of that country as well as "the management" of said country.


This is more akin to my wife asking me if a blue dress she wants to wear makes her butt look fat. The answer is no! It's her fat ass that makes her butt look fat.

These s**thole countries are s**tholes because they have let them get that way or they have despots governing.

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Feb 14, 2020 15:12:27   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
History...

What history formed the marines song?



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Feb 14, 2020 17:36:37   #
JediKnight
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
History...

What history formed the marines song?


Okay, I give up....

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Feb 14, 2020 17:37:39   #
JediKnight
 
dtucker300 wrote:
This is more akin to my wife asking me if a blue dress she wants to wear makes her butt look fat. The answer is no! It's her fat ass that makes her butt look fat.

These s**thole countries are s**tholes because they have let them get that way or they have despots governing.


I'm sure that many of those countries look at the US and feel the same way.

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Feb 14, 2020 18:36:27   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
JediKnight wrote:
Okay, I give up....


Oh, c'mon Jedi; sing the first line of the song to yourself for the lyrics. ...to the shores of Tripoli Surely you've heard of the Barbary Coast Pirates. "Millions for defense and not one cent of tribute."

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Feb 18, 2020 10:05:25   #
JediKnight
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Oh, c'mon Jedi; sing the first line of the song to yourself for the lyrics. ...to the shores of Tripoli Surely you've heard of the Barbary Coast Pirates. "Millions for defense and not one cent of tribute."


"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli...." comes to mind as one of the favored "Marine Corps" anthems.
I happen to agree strongly with the adage that we "spend millions for defense and nothing (in comparison) for tribute." So, forgive me for saying, when I see a president such as Trump taking millions from the defense budget to build an unnecessary vanity wall - I get choked up all over again.

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Feb 18, 2020 10:25:36   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
JediKnight wrote:
"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli...." comes to mind as one of the favored "Marine Corps" anthems.
I happen to agree strongly with the adage that we "spend millions for defense and nothing (in comparison) for tribute." So, forgive me for saying, when I see a president such as Trump taking millions from the defense budget to build an unnecessary vanity wall - I get choked up all over again.


Let me help you understand the military contribution to the Wall.. 25 million (plus) criminal i******s aliens storming into our nation is an invasion. You approve of being invaded? If not, you should be choked up that your mob gives its tacit approval to protecting these invaders.

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Feb 18, 2020 10:56:51   #
JediKnight
 
padremike wrote:
Let me help you understand the military contribution to the Wall.. 25 million (plus) criminal i******s aliens storming into our nation is an invasion. You approve of being invaded? If not, you should be choked up that your mob gives its tacit approval to protecting these invaders.


In my understanding; an "invasion" is a mass influx of those seeking to do harm, wage war, or take control.
I see none of that with those poor immigrants who just seek a better life for themselves and their families.

What do you call those Pilgrims from England that came to this country and took it from the rightful owners? I would call them "invaders."

I don't think the military "contributed" willingly to Trump's wall. Trump again used the "lie" to get gullible people to support his "building up of the military" knowing that he would need a pot of money to rob from because the wall idea was not selling like he thought it would, and to this very day - Mexico still ain't paying for it.

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