I have an honest question on several topic that confuse me.
Feb 10, 2020 23:32:01 #
The Father did not have any objections to slavery, though he did provide the Israelites with certain humanitarian regulations. Yet today, we find the practice in any form principally to be an abomination: are we second-guessing God? So many other laws he gave we apparently find either insignificant or no longer of a need to practice. Such as stoning a disobedient child, wearing two garments of different fabrics, planting crops...wait! Here it is Leviticus19:19: "You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material." Then there is that shellfish and adultery stuff we ignore today.
Remarriage after divorce is not even mentioned in many congregations: the pastor would lose too many parishioners. We ignore almost all 613 laws given by God almighty, for whatever reason we judge, but feel safe and certain and pro-active about raising hell over homosexuals. That's being simply a bully...and a hypocrite. How, when we have decided to ignore how many hundreds of laws, even the clear command about adultery, do we emphasize and relentlessly pursue and consistently attack homosexuals.
The condemnations in the Bible of the practice is muddy at best and maybe not even close to our present day understanding. The fact that homosexuality is so rarely mentioned in the Bible should be an indication to us of the degree of importance ascribed it by the authors of the Bible.
While the Bible is nearly silent on homosexuality, a great deal of its content is devoted to how a Christian should behave. Repeat for the blind and judgmental: "its content is devoted to how a Christian should behave." Not how they behave; it is subtle point of enormous consequences.
All throughout it, the Bible insists on fairness, equity, love and the rejection of legalism over compassion. REJECTION OF LEGALISM OVER COMPASSION. If heterosexual Christians are obligated to look to the Bible to determine the sinfulness of homosexual acts, how much greater is their obligation to look to the Bible to determine the sinfulness of their behavior toward gay persons, especially in light of the gay community’s call to them for justice?
Virtually any degree of homosexual “transgression” gets treated by Christians as an absolute sin deserving absolute punishment. Christians draw no moral distinction between the homosexual gang rape in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the orgies to which Paul refers in his letter to the Romans, the wild sexual abandon Paul addresses in 1 Corinthians, and consensual homosexual sex between loving and committed homosexual partners.
Heterosexual Christians are being unfair and hypocritical by using the clobber passages as justification for applying absolute standards of morality (and an absolute penalty) to homosexual “sins” that they themselves are never tempted to commit, while at the same time accepting for themselves a standard of relative morality (and applying no real penalty) for those sins listed in the clobber passages that they do routinely commit.
I have more but will just ask: have you had lobster or blended a cotton shirt with wool today? We no longer find any problem with these things. Have we become smarter than God?
Remarriage after divorce is not even mentioned in many congregations: the pastor would lose too many parishioners. We ignore almost all 613 laws given by God almighty, for whatever reason we judge, but feel safe and certain and pro-active about raising hell over homosexuals. That's being simply a bully...and a hypocrite. How, when we have decided to ignore how many hundreds of laws, even the clear command about adultery, do we emphasize and relentlessly pursue and consistently attack homosexuals.
The condemnations in the Bible of the practice is muddy at best and maybe not even close to our present day understanding. The fact that homosexuality is so rarely mentioned in the Bible should be an indication to us of the degree of importance ascribed it by the authors of the Bible.
While the Bible is nearly silent on homosexuality, a great deal of its content is devoted to how a Christian should behave. Repeat for the blind and judgmental: "its content is devoted to how a Christian should behave." Not how they behave; it is subtle point of enormous consequences.
All throughout it, the Bible insists on fairness, equity, love and the rejection of legalism over compassion. REJECTION OF LEGALISM OVER COMPASSION. If heterosexual Christians are obligated to look to the Bible to determine the sinfulness of homosexual acts, how much greater is their obligation to look to the Bible to determine the sinfulness of their behavior toward gay persons, especially in light of the gay community’s call to them for justice?
Virtually any degree of homosexual “transgression” gets treated by Christians as an absolute sin deserving absolute punishment. Christians draw no moral distinction between the homosexual gang rape in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the orgies to which Paul refers in his letter to the Romans, the wild sexual abandon Paul addresses in 1 Corinthians, and consensual homosexual sex between loving and committed homosexual partners.
Heterosexual Christians are being unfair and hypocritical by using the clobber passages as justification for applying absolute standards of morality (and an absolute penalty) to homosexual “sins” that they themselves are never tempted to commit, while at the same time accepting for themselves a standard of relative morality (and applying no real penalty) for those sins listed in the clobber passages that they do routinely commit.
I have more but will just ask: have you had lobster or blended a cotton shirt with wool today? We no longer find any problem with these things. Have we become smarter than God?
Mar 14, 2020 16:04:49 #
Forever asking questions but never learning. We’re here on earth to prove that we are for God and not the flesh. Unfortunately I don’t think God wants you in His heaven, because of the way you were in the first age and are in this third age. Nuff said.
Mar 14, 2020 16:25:45 #
iFrank wrote:
Forever asking questions but never learning. We’re here on earth to prove that we are for God and not the flesh. Unfortunately I don’t think God wants you in His heaven, because of the way you were in the first age and are in this third age. Nuff said.
Mar 14, 2020 16:26:33 #
iFrank wrote:
Forever asking questions but never learning. We’re here on earth to prove that we are for God and not the flesh. Unfortunately I don’t think God wants you in His heaven, because of the way you were in the first age and are in this third age. Nuff said.
Mar 14, 2020 16:27:28 #
rumitoid wrote:
The Father did not have any objections to slavery,... (show quote)
Your question's and doubts would be much more palatable if you proceeded them with a source of wonderment or serious interest instead of approaching them as being conflicting, stupid, or mockingly.
Your posts almost always degrade God's omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. Attributes that separate us from almighty God.
You bring much unnecessary wrath from others on yourself. There are many, many things that none of us understand. Without faith, it's impossible to please God.
If I were you and claim to know so much but believe so little of God's word I would come to terms personally with my beliefs before I used your style of doubting and questioning God in an open forum. There are many who can give you guidance through private messages if you are seriously seeking. In addition, the Holy Spirit has a ministry to guide you into all truth.
Mar 14, 2020 21:18:37 #
Armageddun wrote:
Your question's and doubts would be much more pala... (show quote)
What's wrong with openly asking questions?
Nothing to be ashamed of...
Mar 14, 2020 23:24:56 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
What's wrong with openly asking questions?
Nothing to be ashamed of...
Nothing to be ashamed of...
Some people ask questions while supposing to be experts on the subject. When answers are given an argument develops. Not just by accident but with every post. This goes back a number of years and continues today.
Mar 14, 2020 23:27:05 #
Armageddun wrote:
Some people ask questions while supposing to be experts on the subject. When answers are given an argument develops. Not just by accident but with every post. This goes back a number of years and continues today.
Fair enough....
I enjoy questions... They make me think...
Mar 21, 2020 10:24:46 #
Armageddun wrote:
Your question's and doubts would be much more pala... (show quote)
You have a good point, of sorts, but it is not the degradation of God I present, only how Christians respond.
Mar 22, 2020 11:18:59 #
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Loc: Homeward Bound!
rumitoid wrote:
You have a good point, of sorts, but it is not the degradation of God I present, only how Christians respond.
Why do you expect our response to be any different this time than those of the last 7 years? Same response for the same “gotcha” argument!
Mar 22, 2020 16:18:07 #
rumitoid wrote:
You have a good point, of sorts, but it is not the degradation of God I present, only how Christians respond.
IMHO each Christian is unique. We are created in God's image. God is comprised of infinite attributes all perfect and Holy. Since the fall and imputed sin we all, even Christian's are sinners saved by grace. The old nature is wounded deeply when we are born again, born from above. Each Christian is at a different level of sanctification and you may expect some to respond more Christlike while others who may be less mature respond in a defencing way to stand for their faith.
God does not need us to defend Him, He is very capable of making rocks cry out. Judging or ranking people by their responses to questions that appear to challenge truth makes one vulnerable to defensive remarks and could very well be seen as doubting rather than being honest questions.
You and I have had our differences over the years, each time I think I have you figured out you throw a ringer. No doubt you are one of the best known on this forum I would hope that you would change your tactics and become a greater source of truth than controversy.
Mar 23, 2020 08:36:24 #
rumitoid wrote:
You have a good point, of sorts, but it is not the degradation of God I present, only how Christians respond.
Baloney. You have mocked God many times.
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