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So Do You Think Bolton Went From Being With Trump To Lying, Or Just Being Willing To Tell The T***h?
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Jan 28, 2020 18:30:45   #
woodguru
 
I don't see people being willing to speak out with the t***h as anything but there coming a time when people do that. I personally think those who with trump are as credible as it gets, they leave trump for reasons or get fired because they disagreed with him.

Trump had his very top echelon advisers and chiefs trying to get him to stop with his withholding of aid, when the heads of the pentagon, intelligence, and your chief of staff meet with an intent to convince you to stop doing something and you don't, you deserve to be impeached...there is something deeply disturbing and wrong about a president not listening to intelligence and advice that happens to be good.

Bolton is not going to lie under oath, he just won't.

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Jan 28, 2020 18:36:04   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
I don't see people being willing to speak out with the t***h as anything but there coming a time when people do that. I personally think those who with trump are as credible as it gets, they leave trump for reasons or get fired because they disagreed with him.

Trump had his very top echelon advisers and chiefs trying to get him to stop with his withholding of aid, when the heads of the pentagon, intelligence, and your chief of staff meet with an intent to convince you to stop doing something and you don't, you deserve to be impeached...there is something deeply disturbing and wrong about a president not listening to intelligence and advice that happens to be good.

Bolton is not going to lie under oath, he just won't.
I don't see people being willing to speak out with... (show quote)


Wh**ever Bolton has to say is irrelevant.

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Jan 28, 2020 19:15:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
BigMike wrote:
Wh**ever Bolton has to say is irrelevant.


Absolutely correct. Even if Bolton says exactly what the Times said. It’s not an Impeachable offense because aid was received and no investigation was begun.

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Jan 28, 2020 19:17:40   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
BigMike wrote:
Wh**ever Bolton has to say is irrelevant.


I knew you would say that--all you wingers at that. Well that's not how it works on Perry Mason lol

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Jan 28, 2020 19:21:38   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I knew you would say that--all you wingers at that. Well that's not how it works on Perry Mason lol


Asked you before. Besides you don’t like Trump what is the crime Trump committed? All you left wingers avoid this question.

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Jan 28, 2020 19:22:38   #
Carol Kelly
 
BigMike wrote:
Wh**ever Bolton has to say is irrelevant.


Amen.

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Jan 28, 2020 19:28:23   #
Trumpnotthestormiestpres Loc: L.A.
 
BigMike wrote:
Wh**ever Bolton has to say is irrelevant.


Why would Bolton be participating in the Impeachment trial?
The dimocrats said they had a locked tight case.

They held basement mtgs and withheld any Americans ' right to confront witnesses .

They rushed "urgently" to get to this point.

They said they had a case good enuf to bring a duly elected President down.
If these claimed premises are true, why would they need or want Bolton?

If anything, Bolton's submissal date of his manuscript seems edited to fit with what MSNBC was showing as of December 30th 2019...
A johnnyy-Bolton-come-lately into the Schiff conspiracy fray .

According to the New York ( Democrat) Times-Rag, the manuscript implies that Trump did discuss a quid pro quo two weeks or month that before the White House Ukraine call . The possibility. The consequences. Chewing the day with key advisers.

But discussing anything with staff does not mean Trump is committed to any course of action. And Trump has said that he tests the doings and decisions out using conversation.

But Trump does not play by the Eisenhower rulebook. Policy seen from space. He doesn't used the Clinton freewheeling way. Or Kennedy's or Obama's. His style is to play devil's advocate and examine a deal from all sides.
Trump is allowed to test which advisors are giving him the scoop. Telling Bolton, hey I want to see if they really are debunking corruption as much as they say..

Trump's purpose is clear:

To elicit qualified and expert analysis from senior staff.

I think the real blowback from the Ukraine call was that all the apparatchiks pretending to have the President's ear got shown up.
And those likely to depend on foreign service careers and policy effecting aftercareers saw their money revenues go up in smoke.

Because Trump decided to test the waters. Check the deal terms see if Ukraine really had it's post corruption hat on.


Obvious Vindlund and others had lathered up their opposite numbers in corruption land.


the Bolton story seems like ESP , on top of fallacy, on top of assumption. On top of favorably self-serving "convictions".

From a man who doesn't get along with President Trump.

The President now delimits his foreign policy as his conversations vary?

Trump didn't make those rules. Schiff and his Confederates and conspirators ( the Ukraine whisperer ) seem to have backwards engineered the algebra of an impeachment.

But it's not an argument that logically follows.

Bolton got a cemented commitment from Trump about Ukraine policy? Why didn't you say so? Did he miss speaking to this to reporters for the past three months? Why?

Is what really happened? Or is this what will make the book jump on the NYT bestseller list? Is this the whisper campaign that can't come to fruition until MARCH.

And Bolton didn't go on record. If he does witness to the Senate then we get Biden Confesssions. From every Biden we can find.
To really root out nepotism and influence peddling and corruption.

Donald Trump Junior and Ivanka can speak to what the actual rigors of anti corruption journalism looks like. Even though the New York Times dumped any story looking into Biden corruption and influence peddling.

Obama gave the Ukraine blankets. Biden's son set up his own revenue stream..

Then Putin annexed the Crimea.

Trump tried to give millions to Ukraine. And got impeached.

So if Putin annexed the Ukraine using arms or treaties or the promise of a samovar in every pot, what would happen to those Javelin ns?

Would Putin sell them to Iran and Americans would get blown up by their own missiles? Then Trump would get blamed.

Ever wonder if THAT was the deal Trump's question broke up?

Hmn?

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Jan 28, 2020 19:33:28   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
I don't see people being willing to speak out with the t***h as anything but there coming a time when people do that. I personally think those who with trump are as credible as it gets, they leave trump for reasons or get fired because they disagreed with him.

Trump had his very top echelon advisers and chiefs trying to get him to stop with his withholding of aid, when the heads of the pentagon, intelligence, and your chief of staff meet with an intent to convince you to stop doing something and you don't, you deserve to be impeached...there is something deeply disturbing and wrong about a president not listening to intelligence and advice that happens to be good.

Bolton is not going to lie under oath, he just won't.
I don't see people being willing to speak out with... (show quote)


Your just a crybaby and one hell of a liar.You don't know who is saying what so quit pretending.For your information he has many advisors and that is what they do and then he makes the decisions.He is the boss
president Truman had a sign on his desk The buck stops here. And the buck still stops at the same place.
I don't want some one like the wrinkled old drunk or the panty waist chucky making decisions for our
president.
Bolton has just stabbed The President in the back and he will pay for it.If I was Trump I would let them know who is boss by pulling a Clinton and fire every one of them and then we can get another impeachment. Now go look at the accomplishments Trump has done just this week and tell us what Dum-ass Democrat has ever done anything near this fantastic 3 and 1/2 years.

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Jan 28, 2020 19:59:22   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
JFlorio wrote:
Absolutely correct. Even if Bolton says exactly what the Times said. It’s not an Impeachable offense because aid was received and no investigation was begun.


It's not impeachable because there was no "bribery, treason or other high crimes or misdemeanors".

Democrats just made up their own rules. That's called abuse of power. Hypocrites that need to be v**ed out of office and down the road kicking rocks, on a chain gang.

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Jan 28, 2020 20:01:56   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
BigMike wrote:
Wh**ever Bolton has to say is irrelevant.


Disgruntled in being released he does have a vendetta along with selling a book~~

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Jan 28, 2020 20:21:22   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
Trumpnotthestormiestpres wrote:
Why would Bolton be participating in the Impeachment trial?
The dimocrats said they had a locked tight case.

They held basement mtgs and withheld any Americans ' right to confront witnesses .

They rushed "urgently" to get to this point.

They said they had a case good enuf to bring a duly elected President down.
If these claimed premises are true, why would they need or want Bolton?

If anything, Bolton's submissal date of his manuscript seems edited to fit with what MSNBC was showing as of December 30th 2019...
A johnnyy-Bolton-come-lately into the Schiff conspiracy fray .

According to the New York ( Democrat) Times-Rag, the manuscript implies that Trump did discuss a quid pro quo two weeks or month that before the White House Ukraine call . The possibility. The consequences. Chewing the day with key advisers.

But discussing anything with staff does not mean Trump is committed to any course of action. And Trump has said that he tests the doings and decisions out using conversation.

But Trump does not play by the Eisenhower rulebook. Policy seen from space. He doesn't used the Clinton freewheeling way. Or Kennedy's or Obama's. His style is to play devil's advocate and examine a deal from all sides.
Trump is allowed to test which advisors are giving him the scoop. Telling Bolton, hey I want to see if they really are debunking corruption as much as they say..

Trump's purpose is clear:

To elicit qualified and expert analysis from senior staff.

I think the real blowback from the Ukraine call was that all the apparatchiks pretending to have the President's ear got shown up.
And those likely to depend on foreign service careers and policy effecting aftercareers saw their money revenues go up in smoke.

Because Trump decided to test the waters. Check the deal terms see if Ukraine really had it's post corruption hat on.


Obvious Vindlund and others had lathered up their opposite numbers in corruption land.


the Bolton story seems like ESP , on top of fallacy, on top of assumption. On top of favorably self-serving "convictions".

From a man who doesn't get along with President Trump.

The President now delimits his foreign policy as his conversations vary?

Trump didn't make those rules. Schiff and his Confederates and conspirators ( the Ukraine whisperer ) seem to have backwards engineered the algebra of an impeachment.

But it's not an argument that logically follows.

Bolton got a cemented commitment from Trump about Ukraine policy? Why didn't you say so? Did he miss speaking to this to reporters for the past three months? Why?

Is what really happened? Or is this what will make the book jump on the NYT bestseller list? Is this the whisper campaign that can't come to fruition until MARCH.

And Bolton didn't go on record. If he does witness to the Senate then we get Biden Confesssions. From every Biden we can find.
To really root out nepotism and influence peddling and corruption.

Donald Trump Junior and Ivanka can speak to what the actual rigors of anti corruption journalism looks like. Even though the New York Times dumped any story looking into Biden corruption and influence peddling.

Obama gave the Ukraine blankets. Biden's son set up his own revenue stream..

Then Putin annexed the Crimea.

Trump tried to give millions to Ukraine. And got impeached.

So if Putin annexed the Ukraine using arms or treaties or the promise of a samovar in every pot, what would happen to those Javelin ns?

Would Putin sell them to Iran and Americans would get blown up by their own missiles? Then Trump would get blamed.

Ever wonder if THAT was the deal Trump's question broke up?

Hmn?
Why would Bolton be participating in the Impeachme... (show quote)


Interesting post!

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Jan 28, 2020 20:24:13   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
lindajoy wrote:
Disgruntled in being released he does have a vendetta along with selling a book~~


I wonder who he h**es the most. Trump or Democrats. Remember for years he was a piñata for the Democrats. They h**ed this guy. Democrats might want to watch out for what they wish for.

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Jan 28, 2020 21:01:45   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
I don't see people being willing to speak out with the t***h as anything but there coming a time when people do that. I personally think those who with trump are as credible as it gets, they leave trump for reasons or get fired because they disagreed with him.

Trump had his very top echelon advisers and chiefs trying to get him to stop with his withholding of aid, when the heads of the pentagon, intelligence, and your chief of staff meet with an intent to convince you to stop doing something and you don't, you deserve to be impeached...there is something deeply disturbing and wrong about a president not listening to intelligence and advice that happens to be good.

Bolton is not going to lie under oath, he just won't.
I don't see people being willing to speak out with... (show quote)
I suppose president Trump ordered our military to take out two terrorist superstars, one a Sunni, the other a Shiite, without a word from the Pentagon or any US intelligence assets.

You are totally oblivious to what the PSN crime cabal has done, aren't you?

Many times I have recommended l*****ts to enroll in Hillsdale College's free on line course, Constitution 101. This course includes video lectures by the president of the college, constitutional scholars, and law professors, followed by Q&A by Hillsdale students and an exam one can complete and submit for grading. I've taken this course three times.

And, what did I get in return for that recommendation? "Hillsdale College is an extreme right-wing propaganda machine." Same tired old cliched l*****t bulls**t with no evidence that the fools even visited the website.

On several occasions here, I have posted an accurate analysis of the impeachment of a president based on Constitutional principles, the Rule of Law, and the commentaries of Hillsdale scholars among others. To no avail. I won't waste my time again other than to state succinctly what the maniacs in the HOR have done.

With no regard for the Constitution of the United States or the Rule of Law, the PSN cabal essentially ignored the Article V procedures for amending the constitution and amended the Article II, Section 4 clause on Treason, Bribery, or OTHER high Crimes and Misdemeanors. In essence, they rewrote that clause to lower the bar on impeachable offenses to any damned thing they want them to be.

After nearly four years of attempts to destroy president Trump, his lovely wife, his family, his friends and associates, his judicial and cabinet appointees, his staff, military officers, his businesses, and his life, and what do they finally come up with? A phone call?

Abuse of power and obstruction of congress DO NOT even come remotely close to the high standard set down in our constitution for impeachable offenses.

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Jan 28, 2020 21:48:33   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I knew you would say that--all you wingers at that. Well that's not how it works on Perry Mason lol


I knew you knew I would say that.

You knew I would say that because it's true.

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Jan 28, 2020 21:50:12   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Trumpnotthestormiestpres wrote:
Why would Bolton be participating in the Impeachment trial?
The dimocrats said they had a locked tight case.

They held basement mtgs and withheld any Americans ' right to confront witnesses .

They rushed "urgently" to get to this point.

They said they had a case good enuf to bring a duly elected President down.
If these claimed premises are true, why would they need or want Bolton?

If anything, Bolton's submissal date of his manuscript seems edited to fit with what MSNBC was showing as of December 30th 2019...
A johnnyy-Bolton-come-lately into the Schiff conspiracy fray .

According to the New York ( Democrat) Times-Rag, the manuscript implies that Trump did discuss a quid pro quo two weeks or month that before the White House Ukraine call . The possibility. The consequences. Chewing the day with key advisers.

But discussing anything with staff does not mean Trump is committed to any course of action. And Trump has said that he tests the doings and decisions out using conversation.

But Trump does not play by the Eisenhower rulebook. Policy seen from space. He doesn't used the Clinton freewheeling way. Or Kennedy's or Obama's. His style is to play devil's advocate and examine a deal from all sides.
Trump is allowed to test which advisors are giving him the scoop. Telling Bolton, hey I want to see if they really are debunking corruption as much as they say..

Trump's purpose is clear:

To elicit qualified and expert analysis from senior staff.

I think the real blowback from the Ukraine call was that all the apparatchiks pretending to have the President's ear got shown up.
And those likely to depend on foreign service careers and policy effecting aftercareers saw their money revenues go up in smoke.

Because Trump decided to test the waters. Check the deal terms see if Ukraine really had it's post corruption hat on.


Obvious Vindlund and others had lathered up their opposite numbers in corruption land.


the Bolton story seems like ESP , on top of fallacy, on top of assumption. On top of favorably self-serving "convictions".

From a man who doesn't get along with President Trump.

The President now delimits his foreign policy as his conversations vary?

Trump didn't make those rules. Schiff and his Confederates and conspirators ( the Ukraine whisperer ) seem to have backwards engineered the algebra of an impeachment.

But it's not an argument that logically follows.

Bolton got a cemented commitment from Trump about Ukraine policy? Why didn't you say so? Did he miss speaking to this to reporters for the past three months? Why?

Is what really happened? Or is this what will make the book jump on the NYT bestseller list? Is this the whisper campaign that can't come to fruition until MARCH.

And Bolton didn't go on record. If he does witness to the Senate then we get Biden Confesssions. From every Biden we can find.
To really root out nepotism and influence peddling and corruption.

Donald Trump Junior and Ivanka can speak to what the actual rigors of anti corruption journalism looks like. Even though the New York Times dumped any story looking into Biden corruption and influence peddling.

Obama gave the Ukraine blankets. Biden's son set up his own revenue stream..

Then Putin annexed the Crimea.

Trump tried to give millions to Ukraine. And got impeached.

So if Putin annexed the Ukraine using arms or treaties or the promise of a samovar in every pot, what would happen to those Javelin ns?

Would Putin sell them to Iran and Americans would get blown up by their own missiles? Then Trump would get blamed.

Ever wonder if THAT was the deal Trump's question broke up?

Hmn?
Why would Bolton be participating in the Impeachme... (show quote)


Theater. They can't back out of their lies now. What else can they do?



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