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Jan 27, 2020 17:00:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/

Bolton’s lawyer, Chuck Cooper, issued a statement in which he said: “It is clear, regrettably, from The New York Times article published today that the prepublication review process has been corrupted.”

I am now wondering which one of these corrupt frauds is actually the whistle blower!!

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Jan 27, 2020 17:18:33   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Who isn't corrupt at this point? Throw out all the thieving bastards in both parties. KAG!

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Jan 27, 2020 17:26:01   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Who isn't corrupt at this point? Throw out all the thieving bastards in both parties. KAG!


If I were Trump, I'd have both Vindman's escorted out of the White House this very minute. They haven't revealed who the whistle blower is so how could they come back and say Trump is violating the whistle blowers "protections," which don't actually apply to the president of the USA anyway????

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Jan 27, 2020 17:27:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
This second Vindman is, in and of himself, a danger to national security.

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Jan 27, 2020 17:29:13   #
roy
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Who isn't corrupt at this point? Throw out all the thieving bastards in both parties. KAG!


Amen, get rid of citizens united,stop the money bribeing,seems like anyone on this site should fight for that. SAD THOUGH they to many want to think their side is right,and neither is right all crooks taking the American people for a ride

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Jan 27, 2020 17:38:50   #
woodguru
 
nwtk2007 wrote:

I am now wondering which one of these corrupt frauds is actually the whistle blower!!

Wonder all you want, what difference does it make? Nothing, and I mean nothing changes what trump did or whether he and his staff broke the law, it simply does not change what trump did.

Put these people in jail for crimes, it does not change trump's problems in regard to what they have done. People get prosecuted, put in jail when things surrounding impeachments get revealed. The impeachment is about violations of the law that should be resulting in multiple DOJ prosecutions.

By law a whistleblower can say anything they want, for wh**ever reasons they want, and anybody could have told them to file a report, and there is no harm or foul, it gets sorted out in the oversight process. Whistleblowers do not get held accountable for even false allegations, wh**ever they are saying goes through a multiple stage review and investigation process. The ICIG, who's job is exactly overseeing problems that surface, this is what they do, decides how much to look into it, and when he either sees corroborating evidence or doesn't, he reports to the intelligence director, who takes in the ICIG's report and sends the whistleblower report and his report and recommendations on to the intelligence committees, who will do nothing if there is nothing there. If there is they will look at it and decide what else needs to be looked at, they might see possible violations of the law and they would kick it over to the attorney general. In our case it was incorrectly sent to the AG first because supposedly they thought there might be issues about executive privilege....which by the way the house is fully capable of determining.

The whistleblower has legal cutouts, and guarantees of confidentiality and anonymity. This genie is out of the bottle, and nothing makes what trump or his minions do go away. People quit career jobs because they were not going to get caught up in trump's illegal games, and that includes Bolton.

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Jan 27, 2020 17:45:30   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/

Bolton’s lawyer, Chuck Cooper, issued a statement in which he said: “It is clear, regrettably, from The New York Times article published today that the prepublication review process has been corrupted.”

I am now wondering which one of these corrupt frauds is actually the whistle blower!!

Why does it matter? The content of the whistleblower has been confirmed multiple times by multiple people--including now, by John Bolton so why does it matter who the original patriot was--what's important is that he loved his country enough to stand up when others wouldn't. Sad that NO conservatives can do the same...

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Jan 27, 2020 17:46:35   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Wonder all you want, what difference does it make? Nothing, and I mean nothing changes what trump did or whether he and his staff broke the law, it simply does not change what trump did.

Put these people in jail for crimes, it does not change trump's problems in regard to what they have done. People get prosecuted, put in jail when things surrounding impeachments get revealed. The impeachment is about violations of the law that should be resulting in multiple DOJ prosecutions.

By law a whistleblower can say anything they want, for wh**ever reasons they want, and anybody could have told them to file a report, and there is no harm or foul, it gets sorted out in the oversight process. Whistleblowers do not get held accountable for even false allegations, wh**ever they are saying goes through a multiple stage review and investigation process. The ICIG, who's job is exactly overseeing problems that surface, this is what they do, decides how much to look into it, and when he either sees corroborating evidence or doesn't, he reports to the intelligence director, who takes in the ICIG's report and sends the whistleblower report and his report and recommendations on to the intelligence committees, who will do nothing if there is nothing there. If there is they will look at it and decide what else needs to be looked at, they might see possible violations of the law and they would kick it over to the attorney general. In our case it was incorrectly sent to the AG first because supposedly they thought there might be issues about executive privilege....which by the way the house is fully capable of determining.

The whistleblower has legal cutouts, and guarantees of confidentiality and anonymity. This genie is out of the bottle, and nothing makes what trump or his minions do go away. People quit career jobs because they were not going to get caught up in trump's illegal games, and that includes Bolton.
Wonder all you want, what difference does it make?... (show quote)


Oh excuse me but what did Trump do, again?? I guess he might have thought to withhold aid to get an investigation into corruption in Ukraine. Seems reasonable to me but in the end, he forgot to tell Ukraine about it and let the aid be released. On time too, although they did have to pass an extention which made the small portion which would have been late, be on time as well. LOLOL!

You gonna nail him for a "thought" issue??

The sheer corruption being uncovered in DC is becoming astounding!!

By the way, the IG is prevented from revealing who the whistleblower is, the president is not.

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Jan 27, 2020 18:01:15   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
Why does it matter? The content of the whistleblower has been confirmed multiple times by multiple people--including now, by John Bolton so why does it matter who the original patriot was--what's important is that he loved his country enough to stand up when others wouldn't. Sad that NO conservatives can do the same...


Kind of like why does it matter how they got the FISA warrants? LOLOL! Illegally of course. All the info they got that might have been used to get Manifort and Cohen et all might now be thrown out and not admissible. That is how some things get to matter. Use of illegal, fraudulent and corrupt means to take down a sitting American president is nothing short of what. Peter??

Y'all just want it not to matter but it is going to be revealed, if only for political purposes. The American people will see the evil means the left uses to gain power and they will v**e them out!

THAT is why it matters! Duh!!

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Jan 27, 2020 18:01:18   #
woodguru
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
If I were Trump, I'd have both Vindman's escorted out of the White House this very minute. They haven't revealed who the whistle blower is so how could they come back and say Trump is violating the whistle blowers "protections," which don't actually apply to the president of the USA anyway????

I don't know where you get your logic from, laws that protect whistleblowers absolutely apply to the president, all laws do, and he is being impeached because he seems to believe laws do not apply to him. He has lost dozens of people in three years who have either quit or were fired because they spoke out and disagreed with him about the laws and what he could or couldn't do.

Trump has a vindictiveness in regards to anyone who speaks out against him that gets taken way too far, which actually fosters future honesty in regard to telling what happened or why they quit or got fired. Trump has proved over and over again that to talk about anything that happened is to get retaliation that doesn't even stop at using the DOJ to go after and cause legal problems.

Vindman is simply saying what many people are saying, that the GOP and trump needs to back off of the idea of outing and retaliating against the whistleblower. If trump were willing to listen to white house staff and government workers who seem to have a far better understanding of the law and how government works he would not be in this problem. He had a veritable mutiny going on around him about withholding aid, which was worse because of why he was doing it.

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Jan 27, 2020 18:03:02   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
I don't know where you get your logic from, laws that protect whistleblowers absolutely apply to the president, all laws do, and he is being impeached because he seems to believe laws do not apply to him. He has lost dozens of people in three years who have either quit or were fired because they spoke out and disagreed with him about the laws and what he could or couldn't do.

Trump has a vindictiveness in regards to anyone who speaks out against him that gets taken way too far, which actually fosters future honesty in regard to telling what happened or why they quit or got fired. Trump has proved over and over again that to talk about anything that happened is to get retaliation that doesn't even stop at using the DOJ to go after and cause legal problems.

Vindman is simply saying what many people are saying, that the GOP and trump needs to back off of the idea of outing and retaliating against the whistleblower. If trump were willing to listen to white house staff and government workers who seem to have a far better understanding of the law and how government works he would not be in this problem. He had a veritable mutiny going on around him about withholding aid, which was worse because of why he was doing it.
I don't know where you get your logic from, laws t... (show quote)


http://www.npr.org/2019/11/06/776481504/can-trump-legally-out-the-whistleblower-experts-say-it-would-not-violate-any-law

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Jan 27, 2020 18:16:02   #
Radiance3
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
http://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/

Bolton’s lawyer, Chuck Cooper, issued a statement in which he said: “It is clear, regrettably, from The New York Times article published today that the prepublication review process has been corrupted.”

I am now wondering which one of these corrupt frauds is actually the whistle blower!!


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The president is the Commander-in-Chief of the US military. Vindman could have been arrested, and removed from office for insubordination, big mouthing the office of the president for lies to protecting the liberal Congress by his own
US MILITARY CAREERS LAWS AND LEGISLATION
Punitive Articles of the UCMJ (Article 91 - Insubordination)
Article 91: Insubordinate conduct toward warrant officer, NCO, or PO
Whether it is conduct unbecoming or insubordination with a superior ranking official, chances are if made public through social media, your military career is over.

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Jan 27, 2020 18:18:22   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Who isn't corrupt at this point? Throw out all the thieving bastards in both parties. KAG!


HELL YAAA

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Jan 27, 2020 18:43:29   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Kind of like why does it matter how they got the FISA warrants? LOLOL! Illegally of course. All the info they got that might have been used to get Manifort and Cohen et all might now be thrown out and not admissible. That is how some things get to matter. Use of illegal, fraudulent and corrupt means to take down a sitting American president is nothing short of what. Peter??

Y'all just want it not to matter but it is going to be revealed, if only for political purposes. The American people will see the evil means the left uses to gain power and they will v**e them out!

THAT is why it matters! Duh!!
Kind of like why does it matter how they got the F... (show quote)

That makes no sense. There was not a single law broken in the investigation of Donal J Trump. None and if there was then name the laws broken! ALL the testimony was made legally by men and women who were the most patriotic this country can find.

Instead of mouthing words name the laws broken and by whom. You say FISA laws were broken who was arrested or admonished? If laws were broken during the investigation of Trump as I said before name them and who broke them and why hasn't DoJ done anything to move on them?

Instead of creating a Strawman to say it matters why don't you create something factual to explain why Trump withheld info and witnesses from the house. If he had done nothing wrong and had the "perfect" call it would seem that Trump would want to cooperate to clear his name. As is, even if Republicans refuse to convict him it won't exonerate Trump because no one would have appeared to clear his name.

Over 70% of Americans want more witnesses to testify. Right now only 51% of Americans want Trump impeached but what would happen if more people testify and paint the president as guilty? That's why McConnell doesn't want more testimony and I don't think that will escape the majority of Americans.

Your man is a turd and you can try to protect him all you want but the stench he emits is something you can't coverup or continue to hide. Trump may be reprieved by the Republicans but don't be glib and think he and those who saved him will escape the retribution of the American people!

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Jan 27, 2020 19:48:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The president is the Commander-in-Chief of the US military. Vindman could have been arrested, and removed from office for insubordination, big mouthing the office of the president for lies to protecting the liberal Congress by his own
US MILITARY CAREERS LAWS AND LEGISLATION
Punitive Articles of the UCMJ (Article 91 - Insubordination)
Article 91: Insubordinate conduct toward warrant officer, NCO, or PO
Whether it is conduct unbecoming or insubordination with a superior ranking official, chances are if made public through social media, your military career is over.
=============== br The president is the Commander-... (show quote)



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